Piccolo could probably solo the entire Buu saga with minimal effort. He strangled the SSJ2 out of a Gohan who, at the least should have been on par with his Ultimate self at that point.wolflonnie wrote:So up to this point, how much strong do you guys think Piccolo is? Would he be able to defeat Cell or Super Buu?
Now before anyone responds back with how Piccolo told Gohan to use the power against Buu, let me take the time to explain such a phrase is just too ambiguous to have a direct correlation with strength alone.
Knowing that transforming into Ultimate Gohan is a form, we can possibly deduce that Piccolo had simply wanted Gohan to reach his strongest form, which in-turn would yield his then-strongest power.
This is backed up by Gohan resorting back to SSJ during the RoF arc, due to a lack of training. On the contrary, a Gohan that had kept up with training, wouldn't have needed SSJ, but rather a simple kiai to reach the Ultimate form. Gohan also mentioned the inability to go full power, and going SSJ was the only choice, which further reinforces the point that, tapping into the full level of power brought out by Elder Kai needed far more exertion than a mere kiai. Gohan also mentioned Tagoma rivaling him during his peak. Now, why would anyone be comparing anyone to a suppressed version of themselves? We know the whole purpose of comparing two characters is to give a reference in strength; something that wouldn't be accomplished if one of the characters were exhausted, injured, or just simply not at their best.
Then there's Base Gohan having a notable amount of power over Piccolo. Enough to the point Tagoma wanted to step in. This would mean, Base Gohan is at least on par with Perfect Cell on the very low end, if not way stronger. Boost that up with the SSJ multiplier, and you easily have SSJ Gohan (RoF) as strong as his Ultimate incarnation from the Buu saga.
I'm not interested in any further debates regarding the topic if any of the following will be used in the discussion:
"Piccolo was tired." or "Piccolo was weighted." or "Tagoma was wrong."
Again, no point in making comparisons when such a reference is made in-universe, presumably to give some idea as to where a particular character stands.
"Gohan meant his peak as in when he's fresh."
He just took a senzu bean, before facing off against Tagoma.
"Gohan wasn't even sure he could go SSJ."
Exactly, why should he be sure, when for as far as he knows, the Elder Kai power up gave him the ability to go full power with a simple kiai, with little to no need to go SSJ.
In short, I adhere to the following:
Piccolo > Buuhan > Buutenks >/= SSJ2 Gohan (vs Piccolo) > Ultimate Gohan > / = SSJ Gohan (vs Piccolo) > Super Buu = Ginyu > / = Tagoma > Mr. Buu
