How Califla made Gohan look pathetic

[Kanious]

Gohan always looked pathetic. It is a bad written character. It always was.

Now we have some consistency in his character [no unexplainable powerups out of nowhere, he is a family man, he is a researcher and is not a fighter, he fights only if he needs to].

I see Caulifla like a younger version of Goku, like Frost is from Freeza... her personality is so goku-ish!

And isn't Caulifla that makes Gohan look pathetic. Gohan doesn't need to be a copy of his father... he just need some personality.

[Doctor.]

Gohan made himself look pathetic.

How?? So they prestablished he didn't like to fight since the saiyan saga and being "weak" doesn't make you pathetic, sometimes it feels only this fanbase bases how good a character is by how strong they are

I don't care if he's weak. I care that he doesn't make up his mind on what he wants. One moment he's training, the other he's slacking off and getting weaker. It's all a product of poor writers and lack of direction but it reflects on the character.

I see Caulifla like a younger version of Goku, like Frost is from Freeza... her personality is so goku-ish!

Goku doesn't ambush a weakened opponent and fight him two-on-one.

[namekiansaiyan]

I think it's possible that there's a subset of Gohan fans who only like Cell arc ssj2 Gohan and wish he was that all the time. I could be wrong.

It wasn't until Great Saiyaman that I begun to like Gohan though.

I would say there are a lot of Gohan fans who only like Cell arc Gohan. They are the kind of fans who only like the strongest character in a series.

Gohan is a character that does not fit in to Dragon Ball.

[ssjprodigy]

Gohan made himself look pathetic.

How?? So they prestablished he didn't like to fight since the saiyan saga and being "weak" doesn't make you pathetic, sometimes it feels only this fanbase bases how good a character is by how strong they are

I don't care if he's weak. I care that he doesn't make up his mind on what he wants. One moment he's training, the other he's slacking off and getting weaker. It's all a product of poor writers and lack of direction but it reflects on the character.
so? Gohan has always been a character that trains only when necessary (When a villain pops up) and focusing on his Heroics, Family and his Career and his downtime that doesn't make him pathetic. Krillin is literally the same way is he pathetic too? My point is that has always been a trait of his Gohan a Hero with a hobby of Martial Arts he will train from time to time but it's is not his life like Goku and Vegeta, not trying to argue this though so this is my final response

[Doctor.]

so? Gohan has always been a character that trains only when necessary (When a villain pops up) and focusing on his Heroics, Family and his Career and his downtime that doesn't make him pathetic. Krillin is literally the same way is he pathetic too? My point is that has always been a trait of his Gohan a Hero with a hobby of Martial Arts he will train from time to time but it's is not his life like Goku and Vegeta, not trying to argue this though so this is my final response

You would have thought he learned his lesson after losing his power God knows how many times and getting back to training again after getting his face pushed in by the villain of the month. This isn't even an argument at this point, he's just reckless and irresponsible. Plenty of people in real life can keep a full-time job, have a family and still have time to go to the gym to keep in shape. Gohan doesn't need to get stronger, he just needs to keep his strength, which shouldn't be something very hard to do. Some people don't realize that Gohan can train without having his life revolve around training.

Kuririn isn't a major player and he acknowledges it. Gohan keeps being treated as one, he treats himself as one, so he should own up to the responsibility of being one.

[namekiansaiyan]

so? Gohan has always been a character that trains only when necessary (When a villain pops up) and focusing on his Heroics, Family and his Career and his downtime that doesn't make him pathetic. Krillin is literally the same way is he pathetic too? My point is that has always been a trait of his Gohan a Hero with a hobby of Martial Arts he will train from time to time but it's is not his life like Goku and Vegeta, not trying to argue this though so this is my final response

You would have thought he learned his lesson after losing his power God knows how many times and getting back to training again after getting his face pushed in by the villain of the month. This isn't even an argument at this point, he's just reckless and irresponsible. Plenty of people in real life can keep a full-time job, have a family and still have time to go to the gym to keep in shape. Gohan doesn't need to get stronger, he just needs to keep his strength, which shouldn't be something very hard to do. Some people don't realize that Gohan can train without having his life revolve around training.

Kuririn isn't a major player and he acknowledges it. Gohan keeps being treated as one, he treats himself as one, so he should own up to the responsibility of being one.

Fans watch the show to see the characters involved in the main action and not to watch a character live a 'normal' life. They have plenty of other shows for that.

[ssjprodigy]

so? Gohan has always been a character that trains only when necessary (When a villain pops up) and focusing on his Heroics, Family and his Career and his downtime that doesn't make him pathetic. Krillin is literally the same way is he pathetic too? My point is that has always been a trait of his Gohan a Hero with a hobby of Martial Arts he will train from time to time but it's is not his life like Goku and Vegeta, not trying to argue this though so this is my final response

You would have thought he learned his lesson after losing his power God knows how many times and getting back to training again after getting his face pushed in by the villain of the month. This isn't even an argument at this point, he's just reckless and irresponsible. Plenty of people in real life can keep a full-time job, have a family and still have time to go to the gym to keep in shape. Gohan doesn't need to get stronger, he just needs to keep his strength, which shouldn't be something very hard to do. Some people don't realize that Gohan can train without having his life revolve around training.

Kuririn isn't a major player and he acknowledges it. Gohan keeps being treated as one, he treats himself as one, so he should own up to the responsibility of being one.

How is someone going to pretend/force who they are not. Goku has no problem being relied on despite saying he wished everyone could take care of themselves! Super does this thing where everyone is based on one character trait So that it can appeal to a younger audience and there is nothing stopping you from complaining. But I base the characters from how well they were written in the original manga so I don't agree with people who say he was pathetic since the beginning, it just shows that toei can write the characterss consistently well and fans base these characters off super which holds no value on how they were originally written

[Doctor.]

How is someone going to pretend/force who they are not. Goku has no problem being relied on despite saying he wished everyonecould take care of themselves! Super does this thing where everyone is based on one character trait So that it can appeal in younger audience nothing stopping you from complaining but I base the characters from how well they were in the original manga so I don't agree with people who say he was pathetic since the beginning, it just shows that toei can write the characterss consistently well and fans base these characters off super which holds no value on they were originally written

You're saying Gohan shouldn't sacrifice himself a tiny bit by training every-so-often to keep in shape for the sake of his family and planet, which he treasures above all else? That's awfully selfish and irresponsible, something Gohan is not (or should not be).

He was just as pathetic in the original series for being just as much of an indecisive whiner.

[ekrolo2]

You're saying Gohan shouldn't sacrifice himself a tiny bit by training every-so-often to keep in shape for the sake of his family and planet, which he treasures above all else? That's awfully selfish and irresponsible, something Gohan is not (or should not be).

He was just as pathetic in the original series for being just as much of an indecisive whiner.

And becomes a vapid "badass" or rage monster whenever he gets a spine. Christ, ToP Gohan might actually be the only one worth a piss with that kind of track record.

[ssjprodigy]

How is someone going to pretend/force who they are not. Goku has no problem being relied on despite saying he wished everyonecould take care of themselves! Super does this thing where everyone is based on one character trait So that it can appeal in younger audience nothing stopping you from complaining but I base the characters from how well they were in the original manga so I don't agree with people who say he was pathetic since the beginning, it just shows that toei can write the characterss consistently well and fans base these characters off super which holds no value on they were originally written

You're saying Gohan shouldn't sacrifice himself a tiny bit by training every-so-often to keep in shape for the sake of his family and planet, which he treasures above all else? That's awfully selfish and irresponsible, something Gohan is not (or should not be).

He was just as pathetic in the original series for being just as much of an indecisive whiner.

He was five years old in the saiyan saga and doesn't even complain in Super. All he does is put himself down at most Gohan is not Goku don't expect him to be! If he was we would have another Goten in our hands. And like I said this trait is only put to max in Super which has history of writing characters badly

[Doctor.]

He was five years old in the saiyan saga and doesn't even complain in Super. All he does is put himself down at most Gohan is not Goku don't expect him to be! If he was we would have another Goten in our hands

Nobody's asking Gohan to be like Goku, you're misinterpreting my posts. Keeping himself in shape does not take much effort. If he neglects training so much to the point where he can barely become a Super Saiyan (when just a few years ago, he had the same issue), you have a problem. Does he want to protect his family or not? Yes? The train for an hour every day, it's not that hard. It's something normal people, with a job and family, can manage to do just fine, whether or not they enjoy it. Nobody likes working out, people do it out of necessity.

[ssjprodigy]

He was five years old in the saiyan saga and doesn't even complain in Super. All he does is put himself down at most Gohan is not Goku don't expect him to be! If he was we would have another Goten in our hands

Nobody's asking Gohan to be like Goku, you're misinterpreting my posts. Keeping himself in shape does not take much effort. If he neglects training so much to the point where he can barely become a Super Saiyan (when just a few years ago, he had the same issue), you have a problem. Does he want to protect his family or not? Yes? The train for an hour every day, it's not that hard. It's something normal people, with a job and family, can manage to do just fine, whether or not they enjoy it. Nobody likes working out, people do it out of necessity.

I get what your saying and my response is that modern toei can't write Gohan correctly. in the seven year timeskip he hardly trained but can still transform into SSJ2. No reason to hate a character if he wasn't that bad in the original manga just super. This is my last response

[BlueBasilisk]

Goku doesn't ambush a weakened opponent and fight him two-on-one.

That's an interesting take on events. Goku told her to try and beat him if she wanted to learn SS3 and he's the one who told Kale to join in.

[Doctor.]

Goku doesn't ambush a weakened opponent and fight him two-on-one.

That's an interesting take on events. Goku told her to try and beat him if she wanted to learn SS3 and he's the one who told Kale to join in.

Uh... Caulifla is literally the one who turned Super Saiyan 2 in front of Goku and wanted to fight him; then she accepted Kale joining their battle without refusing. Goku accepted the conditions, yes, but that's irrelevant. Goku would absolutely not do the same thing with a weakened opponent (unless he was a very evil villain and even then he'd be bothered by it) even if his opponent suggested it.

I'm not arguing whether or not what Caulifla (and Kale) did was scummy, I'm saying Caulifla and Goku, beyond liking to fight (which is a trait every pure-blood Saiyan shares) and being fairly uncivilized, have nothing in common.

[Kinokima]

As for Gohan not training even he has acknowledged that was wrong. Gohan doesn’t want to be a fighter but he does want to get stronger to protect his family. Character don’t have to be perfect or always make the best decision. But I like that Gohan isn’t Goku’s clone. He’s his own character. And well he fulfilled his wish since he was a little boy of becoming a great Scholar.

I do think Goku works best as the MC but I still love Gohan and he will always have an important place in this world.

[ssjprodigy]

As for Gohan not training even he has acknowledged that was wrong. Gohan doesn’t want to be a fighter but he does want to get stronger to protect his family. Character don’t have to be perfect or always make the best decision. But I like that Gohan isn’t Goku’s clone. He’s his own character. And well he fulfilled his wish since he was a little boy of becoming a great Scholar.

I do think Goku works best as the MC but I still love Gohan and he will always have an important place in this world.

Bless

[FortuneSSJ]

True.

She should replace Chichi and have a real Saiyan child.

It's all about this! Despite the age differences, GokuxCaulifla is a much more perfect combo than GokuxChichi ever was. I demand a retcon!

[BWri]

Sigh why is a character’s worth only based on their power level/strength? Gohan went through an amazing character journey. He will never be pathetic.

Yeah, Gohan's great! He's actually enjoying one of the best character arc's in the series. If he actually manages to do something majorly important in this tournament, such as being the key to a powerful warriors defeat, he will have made the biggest comeback in series history -- well, between him and Roshi. I like how grounded he is and really want something of a slice of life show with him and the rest of the Son family.

[Cabba]

Eh Gohan always had a clear defined personality than diverted from Gokus since the beginning of Z, i never expected him to turn out like Goku
Goten in the other hand... I was expecting Goten to turn like Goku in his love for fights, especially since the beginning of buus arc he was hyped by chichi to have the same careless personality as goku
I really hate what they did to him on EoZ (part of the reason why i hate EoZ and hope it gets retconned), he became a punk. At least Gohan had being a scholar going for him and when push comes to shove he always comes through. Trunks while slacking on his training at least he runs the biggest corporation in the world and doesn't waste his life chasing girls.

Had goten became a martial artist like goku, his life would have some meaning, if yamcha was a saiyan Teen Goten is what he would look like. It feels like Gotens is the Saiyans Yamcha

[amuroray]

Gohan always looked pathetic. It is a bad written character. It always was.

Now we have some consistency in his character [no unexplainable powerups out of nowhere, he is a family man, he is a researcher and is not a fighter, he fights only if he needs to].

I see Caulifla like a younger version of Goku, like Frost is from Freeza... her personality is so goku-ish!

And isn't Caulifla that makes Gohan look pathetic. Gohan doesn't need to be a copy of his father... he just need some personality.

Gohan became blue level after a picnic with piccolo