"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[batistabus]

I'm not sure why one would defend the characterization of characters in the anime over the manga. It's not entirely the fault of the anime staff...rather, it is largely due to the nature of the product. Toei and Toyotaro have the same amount of material to work with, but Toei is forced to stretch the tidbits much further to fill time. Where the manga can convey something and move on, the anime staff needs to milk what they have in order to fit a 24 minute episode every week. This is why in the anime characters constantly repeat themselves and their personality traits are exaggerated/overdone. I'd imagine it also makes it easier for children to understand and remember characters. This "fat" makes for a dragged-out and tiring experience.

People seem to largely prefer the anime's characterization of Black and Zamasu over the manga. For me, if I were inclined to feel this way, it would be almost entirely due to the performances of Nozawa and Miki. I love anime Black's fabulousness, but everything else about the manga portrayal of these characters is more cohesive, nuanced, and satisfying to me.

While the anime inherently has issues as a medium, the manga does as well. I've heard people complain that Toyotaro focuses too much on fights and not enough on letting characters express their personalities in other ways. I think the fights have been plenty interesting, but I would be quite happy to have a little more space between bouts of combat. I think it's possible/likely that Toyotaro doesn't have a say in the matter. My guess is that Shueisha expects at least one fight scene per chapter in order to maintain interest for a monthly serialization. I would imagine that he doesn't have much control over the length of the manga's arcs, either.

Of course, while the anime and manga crews are each under certain constraints, that doesn't mean their products couldn't be improved.

While I love this chapter, I feel that the Zenos being overwhelmed by the Battle of Gods is potentially...problematic. If they can't keep up with a 12 person free-for-all, why would they be interested in an 80 person battle royale? I understand that most of the fighters in the tournament are far beneath the level of gods, but I'd imagine they'd still find it overwhelming. I guess we'll see if that's addressed soon enough.

[Miracles]

Hit wasn't weak in the manga nor did he appear weak. Hit was only shocked to hear that His time skip can't work on people stronger than him.
THEN he "improved [powered up]" and didn't lose to Goku. He had the same reaction in the anime when Goku was breaking his Time skip with Kaioken.
The result ended he same for Hit in the anime and manga, with a win. Neither was Black or Zamasu weak in the manga.
It's just that Goku and Vegeta are heavily more competent in the comic than their anime counterparts.

Sure, Manga Hit may not be weak because he's god tier but put him in the same scenario as Anime Hit in the tournament, and he would've straight up lost against Vegeta let alone force Goku into SSJBKKx10.

A 0.1 second time stop Hit bodied Vegeta in the anime. A 0.1 manga Hit will do the same to anime Vegeta.
However, manga Hit, could not force Goku to use KKX10 Blue.

[Lord Beerus]

Hit wasn't weak in the manga nor did he appear weak. Hit was only shocked to hear that His time skip can't work on people stronger than him.
THEN he "improved [powered up]" and didn't lose to Goku. He had the same reaction in the anime when Goku was breaking his Time skip with Kaioken.
The result ended he same for Hit in the anime and manga, with a win. Neither was Black or Zamasu weak in the manga.
It's just that Goku and Vegeta are heavily more competent in the comic than their anime counterparts.

Sure, Manga Hit may not be weak because he's god tier but put him in the same scenario as Anime Hit in the tournament, and he would've straight up lost against Vegeta let alone force Goku into SSJBKKx10.

A 0.1 second time stop Hit bodied Vegeta in the anime. A 0.1 manga Hit will do the same to anime Vegeta.
However, manga Hit, could not force Goku to use KKX10 Blue.

To be fair, the only reason 0.1 second Time-Skip Hit (in the manga) was able kick SSJB Vegeta's ass was because SSJB Vegeta at that time was fighting with less than 10% of power in the tank. If SSJB Vegeta fought against 0.1 second Time-Skip Hit with more than 10% of his power, he would have decked Hit as Hit's Time-Skip wouldn't have worked on him due to Hit's Time Skip only being effective of people that are weaker than Hit.

[Miracles]

Sure, Manga Hit may not be weak because he's god tier but put him in the same scenario as Anime Hit in the tournament, and he would've straight up lost against Vegeta let alone force Goku into SSJBKKx10.

A 0.1 second time stop Hit bodied Vegeta in the anime. A 0.1 manga Hit will do the same to anime Vegeta.
However, manga Hit, could not force Goku to use KKX10 Blue.

To be fair, the only reason 0.1 second Time-Skip Hit (in the manga) was able kick SSJB Vegeta's ass was because SSJB Vegeta at that time was fighting with less than 10% of power in the tank. If SSJB Vegeta fought against 0.1 second Time-Skip Hit with more than 10% of his power, he would have decked Hit as Hit's Time-Skip wouldn't have worked on him due to Hit's Time Skip only being effective of people that are weaker than Hit.

0.1 Time skip was working on anime Blue Vegeta too.
That means Vegeta in the anime was also weaker or fatigued like manga Vegeta.

[HeroR]

A 0.1 second time stop Hit bodied Vegeta in the anime. A 0.1 manga Hit will do the same to anime Vegeta.
However, manga Hit, could not force Goku to use KKX10 Blue.

To be fair, the only reason 0.1 second Time-Skip Hit (in the manga) was able kick SSJB Vegeta's ass was because SSJB Vegeta at that time was fighting with less than 10% of power in the tank. If SSJB Vegeta fought against 0.1 second Time-Skip Hit with more than 10% of his power, he would have decked Hit as Hit's Time-Skip wouldn't have worked on him due to Hit's Time Skip only being effective of people that are weaker than Hit.

0.1 Time skip was working on anime Blue Vegeta too.
That means Vegeta in the anime was also weaker or fatigued like manga Vegeta.

No. In the anime, it was never stated or implied that Vegeta was weaken or fatigued, especially not to the point of losing 90% of his power. Hit just stomped Vegeta.

[TKA]

Oh sorry,I still wouldn't expect difference with kale and Caulifla, if you didn't like them in the Anime then you won't like them in the manga,I really don't expect major difference with these character unless Toyo suprised us like with vermoud

Au contraire. I find a great deal of difference between manga Zamas, Black and Hit to their anime counterparts, and I prefer the manga renditions vastly more. Especially manga Zamas and Black, who actually make sense in this version.

[Ilikepictures-meh]

Oh sorry,I still wouldn't expect difference with kale and Caulifla, if you didn't like them in the Anime then you won't like them in the manga,I really don't expect major difference with these character unless Toyo suprised us like with vermoud

Au contraire. I find a great deal of difference between manga Zamas, Black and Hit to their anime counterparts, and I prefer the manga renditions vastly more. Especially manga Zamas and Black, who actually make sense in this version.

Meh, manga Black was just a typical boastful, arrogant DB villain. I much prefer anime Black/Zamasu's whole Lucifer like fallen Kaioshin stick, who truly believed he was fixing the "gods mistakes" and doing "the right thing" till the very end.

[Miracles]

To be fair, the only reason 0.1 second Time-Skip Hit (in the manga) was able kick SSJB Vegeta's ass was because SSJB Vegeta at that time was fighting with less than 10% of power in the tank. If SSJB Vegeta fought against 0.1 second Time-Skip Hit with more than 10% of his power, he would have decked Hit as Hit's Time-Skip wouldn't have worked on him due to Hit's Time Skip only being effective of people that are weaker than Hit.

0.1 Time skip was working on anime Blue Vegeta too.
That means Vegeta in the anime was also weaker or fatigued like manga Vegeta.

No. In the anime, it was never stated or implied that Vegeta was weaken or fatigued, especially not to the point of losing 90% of his power. Hit just stomped Vegeta.

Goku stated himself he won't transform into Blue immediately against Hit cause it "drains stamina real bad."
When Goku went Blue, Hit's blows were ineffective and his Time-skip couldn't freeze him for the full 0.1 seconds.

[JazzMazz]

0.1 Time skip was working on anime Blue Vegeta too.
That means Vegeta in the anime was also weaker or fatigued like manga Vegeta.

No. In the anime, it was never stated or implied that Vegeta was weaken or fatigued, especially not to the point of losing 90% of his power. Hit just stomped Vegeta.

Goku stated himself he won't battle Hit in Blue immediately cause it "drains stamina real bad."
When Goku went Blue, Hit's blows were ineffective and his Time-skip couldn't freeze him for the full 0.1 seconds.

The thing is though he could freeze him for 0.1 seconds, its just that Goku countered everytime he did and was slightly stronger anyway, so Goku was in a no lose situation where even though he was being damaged, he was doing more damage in the long run.

[MisteryOne]

Oh sorry,I still wouldn't expect difference with kale and Caulifla, if you didn't like them in the Anime then you won't like them in the manga,I really don't expect major difference with these character unless Toyo suprised us like with vermoud

Au contraire. I find a great deal of difference between manga Zamas, Black and Hit to their anime counterparts, and I prefer the manga renditions vastly more. Especially manga Zamas and Black, who actually make sense in this version.

Meh, manga Black was just a typical boastful, arrogant DB villain. I much prefer anime Black/Zamasu's whole Lucifer like fallen Kaioshin stick, who truly believed he was fixing the "gods mistakes" and doing "the right thing" till the very end.

And why us manga Zamasu different in that aspect? He also believed the same. Sure, he was arrogant (Future Zamasu is as well in the anime) and way more typical in terms of personality, but he also had the fallen Kaioshin stick. Not sure what is your point

[Lord Beerus]

0.1 Time skip was working on anime Blue Vegeta too.
That means Vegeta in the anime was also weaker or fatigued like manga Vegeta.

No. In the anime, it was never stated or implied that Vegeta was weaken or fatigued, especially not to the point of losing 90% of his power. Hit just stomped Vegeta.

Goku stated himself he won't transform into Blue immediately against Hit cause it "drains stamina real bad."
When Goku went Blue, Hit's blows were ineffective and his Time-skip couldn't freeze him for the full 0.1 seconds.

The only reason that Hit's 0.1 Time-Skip wasn't effective on SSJB Goku was because Goku knew how to counter it before hand. Hence, why Hit had to increase his Time-Skip to get the advantage again. SSJB Vegeta had no idea how the Time-Skip worked, Hit took advantage of that, and kicked his ass.

[Rhuagh]

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Are you seriously saying you thought anime!Black was threatening? Goku could have defeated him any time he wanted, he was vastly more powerful than Black from the start to the end. You go on and on about manga antagonists being weaker than the main characters when the anime has a prime exemple of that in Black (and Toppo).

[mfwlegend3]

Goku could have defeated him any time he wanted, he was vastly more powerful than Black from the start to the end.

Is that why he was still overwhelmed by Black despite having full-on killing intent after Black and Zamasu told him about the murder of his family? Or how about the time he had a difficult time with SSR Black in E57?

[TKA]

Meh, manga Black was just a typical boastful, arrogant DB villain. I much prefer anime Black/Zamasu's whole Lucifer like fallen Kaioshin stick, who truly believed he was fixing the "gods mistakes" and doing "the right thing" till the very end.

The only "complex" the anime rendition had was stating the same lines over and over again. The manga version was more concise, less repetitive and more effective because of that. No funny-but-stupid lines like "I just like to hear myself talk," but character-specific stuff like "killing" Gowasu and making the eradication of the mortals a priority. I can buy manga Black and Zamas easier than their anime counterparts.

And not to dwell on muh power levels, but the anime did this unfortunate thing of making Zamas put up a fight against Goku. That's bad if Goku is supposed to be so extraordinary that he decided he wanted his body, and also bad because Buu took out the Kaioshin of U6 pretty easily. In the manga, it's made explicit that Zamas without Black ain't shit, and that makes the lengths he goes to more believable.

It's writing 101, and the manga does it competently.

[micah007]

Toriyama/Toyotaro interview posted on twitter.

https://twitter.com/YonkouProd

[Alruneia]

Toriyama/Toyotaro interview posted on twitter.

https://twitter.com/YonkouProd

There's a lot of stuff here, wow. I don't know if it's all interesting or not. Someone go get Herms! My Google Translate skills aren't quick enough for this.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Toriyama/Toyotaro interview posted on twitter.

https://twitter.com/YonkouProd

Oh whoa they uploaded all 4 pages fully scanned! Awesome. Wonder if Herms will TL these fully or just pick out the interesting bits.

[Hawk9211]

Looks like revised pages will be new content,unless I am forgetting.
https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/9 ... 4852117504

[TheMikado]

Man, I need a translation of the interview ASAP lol.

[Meshack]

The anime likes to reuse lines and could be good i guess but it’s like every other line. I liked Anime Black and Zamasu more because of their voice actors and certain moments where music played. Toei likes to do the same thing over and over again because they don’t know too much about the characters. You can totally see that with Ribrianne, Toppo, and other charcters. They tend to have Toppo say something about justice or Ribrianne about love. Some stuff can get annoying to the point of not liking the character but with Black and Zamasu, it made me like them more. I think it’s because of the voice actors.

I think the manga does a better job at not being repetitive and keeping it to the right amount. I don’t wanna hear or read Toppo talk about justice in every line or every other line. Zamasu was about justice but then again, it was the way it was represented and the voice acting. I enjoyed Nozawa’s performance for Black so that’s why I enjoy the anime’s counterpart more. Miki did a fantastic job too.