"Different fighters with different strengths and abilities" you say? I would say Hit has the most different strengths and abilities out of any other character, and how did his fight with Jiren go? Right, nothing like Caulifla and Goku's whose only differences were brawler vs martial artist, which is thrown out the window very quickly when even Whis acknowledges the brawler vs martial artist skill didn't even matter less than a minute later.Boo Machine wrote:While there are inconsistencies that should be acknowledged this isn't a good example. These are different fighters with different strengths and abilities not every fighter is going to have to be dealt with in the same manner as Roshi's episode proved.Asura wrote: This is a great example of Super being inconsistent, so people who think Super is consistent should really sit down and think about this because one episode with Jiren it relies on power levels and the next with Caulifla and Goku tries to rely on skill and tactics. There's no consistency.
It is a good example of inconsistency that should be happening though. Because Jiren using his muscles to break out of time, while that sounds metal as hell, I feel it was probably the most boring way he could have gotten out of it. Goku in base having the edge over SSJ2 Caulifla because of his experience maybe inconsistent with whatever formula that started getting stale in Z's later arcs, but it's a lot more interesting and still uses what we know about the characters.
I agree in that I prefer this to Jiren's muscleman abilities that overcome everything thrown at him because power levels, but it's still terribly inconsistent when two situations contradict each other. Either you have power levels or you have different strengths and weaknesses. It just looks bad when the show keeps switching between both.
Ultra Instinct is a good example of something that's skill-based but also shows immense power because it's not just a transformation that makes you X more powerful, it makes it so you instinctively dodge which makes Goku powerful by default. He doesn't need a power level, the abilities of the form make him powerful. Compare that to Jiren who is powerful because... muscles?