"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Namz]

Well at least it's confirmed manga is the canon. Not only Toriyama supervises it, also Toei makes the anime based on manga.

That's not how it works and that's not what's confirmed. That is just your interpretation, an incomplete one with some twisting.

Toei is based on manga so manga is canon

[dbgtFO]

Well at least it's confirmed manga is the canon. Not only Toriyama supervises it, also Toei makes the anime based on manga.

That's not how it works and that's not what's confirmed. That is just your interpretation, an incomplete one with some twisting.

Toei is based on manga so manga is canon

Canon doesn't matter anyway. People aren't going to stop watching just because some people on the internet try to convince them it isn't canon, nor are they going to drop the anime for the manga, if they vastly prefer the anime.
If the anime is liked and succesful, then that's what matters, not its supposedly dubious canonicity status in the franchise.

[Namz]

That's not how it works and that's not what's confirmed. That is just your interpretation, an incomplete one with some twisting.

Toei is based on manga so manga is canon

Canon doesn't matter anyway. People aren't going to stop watching just because some people on the internet try to convince them it isn't canon, nor are they going to drop the anime for the manga, if they vastly prefer the anime.
If the anime is liked and succesful, then that's what matters, not its supposedly dubious canonicity status in the franchise.

I don't care what other people do. But I myself like to know what is canon and what is not. Good theories can only come frome canon source. For instance, thanks to manga we can have ideas about which ones are the strongest hakaishins. Anime suggested the strongest one is the fish, while in the manga (canon) is one of the weakest.

[Cetra]

Well at least it's confirmed manga is the canon. Not only Toriyama supervises it, also Toei makes the anime based on manga.

That's not how it works and that's not what's confirmed. That is just your interpretation, an incomplete one with some twisting.

Toei is based on manga so manga is canon

Okay ...

1. The anime is not based on the manga. That is just what you read out of it because Toyble sometimes exchanges info with them and they take a few bits of ideas. Both are based on the bullet point script and have their own writers to truly write what's going on then. Toyble's ideas coming up in the anime a bit do not make the manga canonical over the anime.
2. That is not how canonicity works. You cannot make up your own rules, no matter how luring that is for fans. Have you heard anything from the rights holders about canonicity? I have not. And you surely do not own the franchise either or at least a part of its creative rights so you also cannot decide.

Good theories can only come frome canon source.

That's also not how it works. You cannot make up your own rules and decide what is canonical or how canonicity is decided just because you like the manga more. You are doing the same thing as almost every fan with that and you know what the result is? Nothing. And for the record, "canon" is not an adjective. It is "canonical". Something is part of the "canon" or "canonicity". At this point this is just the same song so many people sing whenever they want something to be canonical. You are doing nothing new here. I could make up my own rules, by far more consistent and argue why xyz is canonical because of it. But you know what? It would still not matter. Because it does not matter if fans make up rules. That is not how canonicity is decided and fans have no power over canonicity as long as they are just fans who don't own anything. Toyble for example is a fan with rights. But he is not alone as person with decisive power. His word is not the sole one.

Anime suggested the strongest one is the fish, while in the manga (canon) is one of the weakest.

Not, it doesn't. "Oh, look, he did not participate in the Battle before the Universal Tournament, he must be the strongest one from his behaviour" is just another made up fan conclusion that is repeated often since that battle happened.

[Ilikepictures-meh]

Toei is based on manga so manga is canon

Canon doesn't matter anyway. People aren't going to stop watching just because some people on the internet try to convince them it isn't canon, nor are they going to drop the anime for the manga, if they vastly prefer the anime.
If the anime is liked and succesful, then that's what matters, not its supposedly dubious canonicity status in the franchise.

I don't care what other people do. But I myself like to know what is canon and what is not. Good theories can only come frome canon source. For instance, thanks to manga we can have ideas about which ones are the strongest hakaishins. Anime suggested the strongest one is the fish, while in the manga (canon) is one of the weakest.

The anime never suggested Gin was the strongest GoD. His statement could have easily meant he knew that they would have to clean up the ring after the GoD's match, and he didn't see the need to be part of it, then be forced to clean up. Don't state your opinion like its factual information

[emperior]

It seems like Toei took some more liberties, but, in my opinion, their version ended up being the better, They also showed Trunks' and Zamasu's internal struggles better, which was something Toriyama wanted to depict.
This was the FT arc and Toriyama too wanted Trunks to deal the final blow to Zamasu, and that felt better in the anime.
If only Toei and Toyotaro worked together on expanding the outline, the arc would have been much better in both versions.

[Miracles]

The punch your referring to shows Goku attacking at the end of Hits time-skip.

Its never stated anything about it being interrupted, its only stated to be out-manoeuvred.

Your first point also doesn't make sense since Goku was blocking Hits attacks in his base form. Are you going to argue that his base form shortens Hit's time-skip because he tried punching Goku but it was blocked?

Again, extraporlating something from the show that isn't shown or said just to prove your own head-canon.

It's not head cannon. Base Goku only blocking Hit after that time skip proves that it was fully freezing Goku for the full 0.1 seconds. Showing that he was weaker than Hit.
Base Goku couldn't move during the skip. Base Goku could only block "AFTER" Time skip's 0.1 seconds. Allowing Hit to attack without interruption.
In Blue, Goku is shown ONLY being grazed by Hit's punch after the skip. Which shows that Goku was moving BEFORE Hit reached him in 0.1 seconds. Proving that Goku was stronger.
The manga and anime are demonstrating the same. Anime only showed it by visuals not in depth like the manga.

The thing is though, it isn't demonstrating that, in fact, it isn't even implied. Your evidence is paper thin and completely insubstantial. Hits time-skip works on Goku in the anime for 0.1 seconds, however, since Goku is predicting his movements to counter Hit had to improve his time skip to 0.2 seconds and on and on. Never in those sections of the fight was it even slightly implied, even visually, that Goku's power as an SSB was reducing Hits time-skip.

Thats just a head-canon you created to create a non-existent correlation between the two.

It isn't headcannon when Goku is SHOWN DODGING Hit's attack AND punching him BEFORE Hit reaches Goku to attack in 0.1 seconds.
You don't need prediction for that. That's just shows Goku being physically superior to Hit.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

That's how it started but with it getting more pages and Toriyama seemingly being more involved with it, it seems to have evolved into more of its own thing. The anime will always be the "main" product but the manga at this point is more than just promotion.

No, it is not. Having more pages and more involvement from Toriyama (whatever that entitles now) doesn't change the fact that it still is being published in V-Jump magazine, a magazine which purpose is that of advertising products.

[sintzu]

Having more pages and more involvement from Toriyama doesn't change the fact that it still is being published in a magazine which purpose is that of advertising products.

It doesn't matter where it's published, the fact that there's as much involvment form the original author as there is makes it more than just a simple promotion. Would anything change for you and others if it was published exactly the way it is but in a different magazine ? as in same monthly format, same involvment from Toriyama, same influence on the anime, same page count, etc.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

It doesn't matter where it's published, the fact that there's as much involvment form the original author as there is makes it more than just a simple promotion. Would anything change for you and others if it was published exactly the way it is but in a different magazine ? as in same monthly format, same involvment from Toriyama, same influence on the anime, same page count, etc.

Yes, it would. For what reason would they publish it in the promotional V-Jump magazine instead of its father magazine WJS?

[The gr]

It doesn't matter where it's published, the fact that there's as much involvment form the original author as there is makes it more than just a simple promotion. Would anything change for you and others if it was published exactly the way it is but in a different magazine ? as in same monthly format, same involvment from Toriyama, same influence on the anime, same page count, etc.

Yes, it would. For what reason would they publish it in the promotional V-Jump magazine instead of its father magazine WJS?

Toyotaro is just an imitation,this post explain this

If Toriyama were writing the manga, it would be. He isn't. At the end of the day, Toyotaro is, for all intents and purposes, a gimmick. You don't get into Shonen Jump by being a blatant imitation. Also, when this manga started, it was just an abridged version of the anime, mostly used for revealing spoilers. V-Jump was the proper place for it at the time. Little did anyone know that once it fell behind, it would evolve into a product of its own.

[HeroR]

It doesn't matter where it's published, the fact that there's as much involvment form the original author as there is makes it more than just a simple promotion. Would anything change for you and others if it was published exactly the way it is but in a different magazine ? as in same monthly format, same involvment from Toriyama, same influence on the anime, same page count, etc.

Yes, it would. For what reason would they publish it in the promotional V-Jump magazine instead of its father magazine WJS?

Do WJS have monthly mangas?

[MaskedRider]

It doesn't matter where it's published, the fact that there's as much involvment form the original author as there is makes it more than just a simple promotion. Would anything change for you and others if it was published exactly the way it is but in a different magazine ? as in same monthly format, same involvment from Toriyama, same influence on the anime, same page count, etc.

Yes, it would. For what reason would they publish it in the promotional V-Jump magazine instead of its father magazine WJS?

Do WJS have monthly mangas?

I'm not too keen about abbreviations so I'm assuming that is Weekly jump, wouldn't it fit more into Ultra jump?

[HeroR]

Yes, it would. For what reason would they publish it in the promotional V-Jump magazine instead of its father magazine WJS?

Do WJS have monthly mangas?

I'm not too keen about abbreviations so I'm assuming that is Weekly jump, wouldn't it fit more into Ultra jump?

I honestly don’t know the different. I just bunch it all under ‘Jump’.

[Rhuagh]

In what magazine it is published doesn't matter. The definite version of the manga is in the collected volumes published by Shueisha, like the original 42 volumes. Arguing what is canon is not worth it, aside from the original manga it's all more or less ambiguos.

Lastly, as The gr quoted, Toyotaro is an imitation. He won't get published on Weekly Shonen Jump as such, unless Toriyama actually wrote the manga (not just a draft). Nothing wrong with being an imitation, it's just that you have to be original to be published in such prestigious magazine with almost 5 decades of history.

IMO, the best for Super would be if it was a weekly manga and digitally published. It's 2017!

[Miracles]

It's funny. Some are giving Toriyama crap for wanting Goku and Vegeta to waste fused Zamasu in Blue only.
Yet at the same time the fandom was smashing this series for not keeping God level as something special.

[FortuneSSJ]

https://imgur.com/a/zsoX9

For the page gag content that's in between each chapter in the volume.

Even thought I loved the arc, seeing more of Zamasu's good side would only make it better. That scene should have been a flashback in both versions.
Toyotaro should have a bonus page about Vegeta obtaining SSG, since it was never said when he got it.

I would also like the next volume to have a bonus page of Goku/Vegeta seeing Beerus Hakai off-screen, because Goku can't copy something he never saw...

[Avok]

It doesn't matter where it's published, the fact that there's as much involvment form the original author as there is makes it more than just a simple promotion. Would anything change for you and others if it was published exactly the way it is but in a different magazine ? as in same monthly format, same involvment from Toriyama, same influence on the anime, same page count, etc.

Yes, it would. For what reason would they publish it in the promotional V-Jump magazine instead of its father magazine WJS?

Do WJS have monthly mangas?

Yes, Boruto.

[HeroR]

Yes, it would. For what reason would they publish it in the promotional V-Jump magazine instead of its father magazine WJS?

Do WJS have monthly mangas?

Yes, Boruto.

Interesting. So Toyo could be in Jump even if he's a 'pretender' since I know the original author of Naruto isn't doing Boruto, I honestly don't know how much involvement he has.

[Meshack]

Both the manga and anime are canon for Super.