"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheDipDap1234]

Why do they keep putting 17 in these things when he is one of the most unpopular characters around?

I don't think he is. 17 has been getting a lot of love since this arc started. I think he's there because he's one of the 5 strongest members of Universe 7. Some people think they will be last remaining fighters of U7 but honestly, anything could happen. Hit is the only U6 character besides Kale and Caulifla that i've seen getting promoted in things like this, yes he got eliminated before Cabba and the 2 namekians unless you believe in the theory that his clone is still in the tournament lol.

[Michsi]

We then get all the arm jokes constantly.

I hate that too, but damn, the anime really doesn't help.
As I said, I found his actions in 106 to be good, but most couldn't get past the "meat shield" part.

I fail to see how Gohan and 17 are more relevant than Piccolo.

Promo materials. They are not an absolute warranty, but they are an indication that they'll be more significant, at least in this arc.
Not to mention that Toshio's "personal" power ranking might be like that because he has inside information on how things will progress in this arc.

The Namekians are his way to getting this power up at some point in the future. The fact they are in Universe 6 and not Unuverse 2 like the Tuffle and Yardratian is a good sign.

I hope so. Damn do I ever hope so.

[HeroR]

Bitter about what? Wanting an arc that actually affects the future and an arc that is not a just full of fanfiction, rematches and bullshit power ups. I don't defend everything in Super like you constantly do.

How could the Future Trunks arc possible affect future arcs unless Future Zeno does something. As of right now you can skip that arc and just say that Zeno has a twin brother that was not around last time.

Sigh. All I want is promo art to be good;(
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I want to know who is signing these off thinking it's good enough to promote their show? That "Gohan" looks all sorts of messed up... I'd so take boring Yamamuro over these any day. We have 2 good promo artists that have suddenly been shelved for the crappy one.

Why do they keep putting 17 in these things when he is one of the most unpopular characters around?

Unless you know what the future of the series will be you can’t throw around the term ‘filler’ when people just a year ago called Freeza returning ‘filler’ that had no consequences and now we have this arc. Even then, stuff from the Future Trunks Saga have already been shown.
You can argued ‘well, they could have done it another way, this and that’, you can almost make the argument about anything. Why don’t you just say you wish that we had an arc in another universe.

Also, ‘you can skip that arc and just say that Zeno has a twin brother that was not around last time’, is so eyerolling that I’m shock you wrote this.

And a fanfic is a story written by fans. Nothing more, nothing less. It isn’t a sign of quality since they are some great fanfics along with terrible fanfics.

[namekiansaiyan]

Why do they keep putting 17 in these things when he is one of the most unpopular characters around?

I don't think he is. 17 has been getting a lot of love since this arc started. I think he's there because he's one of the 5 strongest members of Universe 7. Some people think they will be last remaining fighters of U7 but honestly, anything could happen. Hit is the only U6 character besides Kale and Caulifla that i've seen getting promoted in things like this, yes he got eliminated before Cabba and the 2 namekians unless you believe in the theory that his clone is still in the tournament lol.

I think it is to do with strength nit popularity.

I don't believe in the Hit clone, I believe in the Namekians.

I fail to see how Gohan and 17 are more relevant than Piccolo.

Promo materials. They are not an absolute warranty, but they are an indication that they'll be more significant, at least in this arc.
Not to mention that Toshio's "personal" power ranking might be like that because he has inside information on how things will progress in this arc.

Wasn't that power level thing just someone asking him a question and he obviously knows what is going to happen.

I don't trust promo materials at all unless it directly says something.

When people say a character is going to have big moment like 17 and Gohan but I am struggling to see where it is coming from due to the others fighters remaining in other Universes. There could always be surprises though.

Bitter about what? Wanting an arc that actually affects the future and an arc that is not a just full of fanfiction, rematches and bullshit power ups. I don't defend everything in Super like you constantly do.

How could the Future Trunks arc possible affect future arcs unless Future Zeno does something. As of right now you can skip that arc and just say that Zeno has a twin brother that was not around last time.

Sigh. All I want is promo art to be good;(
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I want to know who is signing these off thinking it's good enough to promote their show? That "Gohan" looks all sorts of messed up... I'd so take boring Yamamuro over these any day. We have 2 good promo artists that have suddenly been shelved for the crappy one.

Why do they keep putting 17 in these things when he is one of the most unpopular characters around?

Unless you know what the future of the series will be you can’t throw around the term ‘filler’ when people just a year ago called Freeza returning ‘filler’ that had no consequences and now we have this arc. Even then, stuff from the Future Trunks Saga have already been shown.
You can argued ‘well, they could have done it another way, this and that’, you can almost make the argument about anything. Why don’t you just say you wish that we had an arc in another universe.

Also, ‘you can skip that arc and just say that Zeno has a twin brother that was not around last time’, is so eyerolling that I’m shock you wrote this.

And a fanfic is a story written by fans. Nothing more, nothing less. It isn’t a sign of quality since they are some great fanfics along with terrible fanfics.

I did they say that I wanted to go to another Universe in another post.

I see you must have high standards for me.

I don't read fanfiction but I know the general ideas used.

[Noah]

Future Trunks arc should not have existed as it added nothing to the story going forward and we should have had an arc going to another Universe or something.

Toriyama has actually wrote the biggest filler in the series with the Future Trunks arc.

You actually have a good point, but I disagree. I think it was a good arc that unfortunately lost it's way up to the finale. Future Trunks arc actually should be the last arc of the series, it would make way much sense if it was after the Tournament Of Power as fadeddreams5 said a time ago.

[Kinokima]

Fans seeimg him that way due to what Toei done to him in the Resurrection of F super arc along with him babysitting Pan and Goku ignoring him when learning the Mafuba. What most fans don't realise is that there has not been a singlr at all involving Piccolo since the Universal Survival arc started and they fail to realise that the tone of the series has also changed since the start of this arc.

I understand you not agreeing with fans who put him down because of these things but as a Piccolo fan you should realize none of these things make Piccolo a joke.

Every character has times where the writers do things we are not happy with. With this many episodes and different writers in the pot it is bound to happen. But I really just don't see how Piccolo is a joke. "Fans" will insult characters for the absolute dumbest and hypocritical reasons so don't let that get to you.

[namekiansaiyan]

Fans seeimg him that way due to what Toei done to him in the Resurrection of F super arc along with him babysitting Pan and Goku ignoring him when learning the Mafuba. What most fans don't realise is that there has not been a singlr at all involving Piccolo since the Universal Survival arc started and they fail to realise that the tone of the series has also changed since the start of this arc.

I understand you not agreeing with fans who put him down because of these things but as a Piccolo fan you should realize none of these things make Piccolo a joke.

Every character has times where the writers do things we are not happy with. With this many episodes and different writers in the pot it is bound to happen. But I really just don't see how Piccolo is a joke. "Fans" will insult characters for the absolute dumbest and hypocritical reasons so don't let that get to you.

I don't let those things make me think Piccolo is a joke.

Characters get insulted by fans all the time but the difference between Vegeta or Gohan compared to Piccolo is that Piccolo never gets any positve posts and you will find it hard to find many on here that are not mine. They don't get to me as all it does is make me like Piccolo even more than before.

[Kanassa]

I will just say that Resurrection ‘F’ was called filler thst added nothing to story and we know how that ended.

I wouldn't call ROF Filler at the time, but it did annoy me how disconnected it felt from the other arcs as a whole. It's why I liked Frieza bring brought back as an idea, as it gave much more merit to ROF.

[Michsi]

Wasn't that power level thing just someone asking him a question and he obviously knows what is going to happen.

I don't trust promo materials at all unless it directly says something.

When people say a character is going to have big moment like 17 and Gohan but I am struggling to see where it is coming from due to the others fighters remaining in other Universes. There could always be surprises though.

Yeah, but that doesn't change what made him give the answer like that -> knowledge o who will do what and how in this arc.

Surprises are good, but so far, the only real surprise has been Roshi lasting as long as he has. The humans were still the first ones to go, as expected.
Piccolo and #18 are next in line if the elimination order for U7 is based on power hierarchy, but I feel like #18 is kind of tied to her brother a little more than Piccolo is to Gohan.

[sintzu]

Characters get insulted by fans all the time but the difference between Vegeta or Gohan compared to Piccolo is that Piccolo never gets any positve posts.

Thanks to Super fans seem to overlook the greatness he gave us in the manga and Z's movies. Even his sacrifice for earth and what little screen time he got in GT was handled better than most of what he gets now but now is what everyone's minds are focused on so that's how he'll be judged.

[HeroR]

I will just say that Resurrection ‘F’ was called filler thst added nothing to story and we know how that ended.

I wouldn't call ROF Filler at the time, but it did annoy me how disconnected it felt from the other arcs as a whole. It's why I liked Frieza bring brought back as an idea, as it gave much more merit to ROF.

I wouldn’t either, but it was popular to call it useless and people said Super should have skipped it like the manga. Now, we got UI and Freeza.

[namekiansaiyan]

Wasn't that power level thing just someone asking him a question and he obviously knows what is going to happen.

I don't trust promo materials at all unless it directly says something.

When people say a character is going to have big moment like 17 and Gohan but I am struggling to see where it is coming from due to the others fighters remaining in other Universes. There could always be surprises though.

Yeah, but that doesn't change what made him give the answer like that -> knowledge og who will to what and how in this arc.

Surprises are good, but so far, the only real surprise has been Roshi lasting as long as he has. The humans were still the first ones to go, as expected.
Piccolo and #18 are next in line if the elimination order for U7 is based on power hierarchy, but I feel like #18 is kind of tied to her brother a little more than Piccolo is to Gohan.

That is why I have always said they will go out together and they are my prediction for who is next eliminated. However, I am starting to think that all 7 will remain to the end to fight Jiren as I don't really see who they are going to lose to.

Who do you think the Universe 7 members could lose to?

Characters get insulted by fans all the time but the difference between Vegeta or Gohan compared to Piccolo is that Piccolo never gets any positve posts.

Thanks to Super fans seem to overlook the greatness he gave us in the manga and Z's movies. Even his sacrifice for earth and what little screen time he got in GT was handled better than most of what he gets now but now is what everyone's minds are focused on so that's how he'll be judged.

People just need to stop exageratting every little thing they find as a negative.

The only problem I have with Piccolo in the current arc is the lack of fighting in the tournament which I can't understand as it goes completely against his character. Piccolo though is going to need more than the Namekians to make me happy with his role in this arc even though the 2 Namekians could destroy all this negativity that many have with Piccolo.

[precita]

Piccolo is sadly being treated like the next Tien in the tournament. I hope he at least takes down one of the Nameks.

[namekiansaiyan]

Piccolo is sadly being treated like the next Tien in the tournament. I hope he at least takes down one of the Nameks.

You are sadly making stuff up again.

Saonel and Pilina are Piccolo's to eliminate and won't seem right if it does not happen.

[precita]

At this point Piccolo is only treated marginally better than Tien since he got one full win on his own. But its not enough.

[Michsi]

Who do you think the Universe 7 members could lose to?

To be perfectly honest, at the moment it's only Piccolo that I see lose, because he's the one engaged in what seems to be his big fight of the arc. I think he will go down like Tien, by taking both namekians with him, and it will somehow be a self-sacrificial act meant to keep Gohan in the ring. Bleh!

The only ones I absolutely see making it to the end are Goku and Freeza. There was even a clip from that Heroes game that had only Jiren, Goku and Freeza left in the ring. I don't base this prediction on the clip alone btw, I always expected Freeza and Goku to be the last ones standing from U7.

[pacz360]

Toei:" Toriyama-Sensei, you want another Dragon Ball GT with Goku stealing the spotlight?"

GT has done permanent dmg to the franchise why was why there are some fans not wanting Goku to have the spotlight.

From a story standpoint Trunks vs Merged Zamasu makes sense, its just that they didnt bother explaining Ikari and the Genkidama, with the latter it couldve easier, just mention that it was the hybrids hidden potential or something like that(Look at Gohan who reached Blue level after hours of training too)

Why does Goku having a fight with MZamasu equal to him stealing the spotlight? in between's cant happen? the manga was able to do that just fine as Trunks was still in a way able to land the final blow and saved Goku's ass.

I'm not well informed about the history of GT, it was actually fine for me, and I'm pretty sure its shortcomings werent just about Goku having the spotlight, take early DB for example, it worked fine and it was mostly about Goku.

For you yeah, for me no, Black/Zamasu not only fcked up FTrunks life but also Goku's (at least from another timeline), the guy took his body and is using it to kill innocent lives, the manga having Goku fight off MZamasu and FTrunks dealing the final blow via slicing him up was a tad better for my taste than what the anime pulled off with their transformations and that GD bs.
When did Gohan reach blue level? you mean the part when he was begging Goku to take him seriously? he was barely beating SSJ2 Goku.

Gohan wasnt going all out until goku went blue
The narrator stated gohan showed power that rivaled goku when he was in blue so yeah gohas bue level

[pacz360]

Also f.trunks beating MZamasu was good idea it was just poorly executed

[FortuneSSJ]

-Toriyama/Toyotaro interview-

It was a good read!
As always Toriyama is such a chill person.

I approve his ambitions in want to try new things.

I assumed SSB Vegetto was something that came originally from Toriyama since it's in both versions, but I guess that's not always the case. I'm glad they convinced him!

This interview also points out how Zamasu stands out from all the other DB villains, who are just evil because the plot says so. Nothing new, but a good eye-opener...

Slowly Toriyama is addressing Toyotaro's flaws. First the angles and now the fact he plays too safe. Hopefully it's just a matter of time until he teaches Toyotaro how to draw necks and tells him to improve his messy painel composition...

Toyotaro: That's right. Ultimately things need to head towards the conclusion indicated by Toriyama-sensei's original draft, but during that process I want to give various characters things to do. Vegeta being stubborn shows off the appeal of his character, and makes the story more exciting. And of course I want to make Trunks look cool,

Yeah... It's not like FT Trunks is the main character of the Future Trunks arc or anything, Toyotaro-kun...

FT Trunks is pushed to the sidelines and his job most of the time was run away, being a punch bag and watch Goku/Vegeta fighting. Something than any other character can do. That's not how you treat a popular character that returned. Make him a healer wasn't also a good move.
How Toyotaro handled FT Trunks is definitely the worst thing of this arc in the manga. His best moment in the manga is the flashback when he killed Babidi and Dabra...

By the way, they forgot the most important question - Was it really necessary to know Goku never kissed his wife after all these years?!

[Noah]

Yeah... It's not like FT Trunks is the main character of the Future Trunks arc or anything...

I think this issue could be easily solved if the arc was named anything else but Trunks, maybe "Black arc" "Something time crisis arc", "Fallen God arc" e.g