"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[JulieYBM]

Do WJS have monthly mangas?

Yes, Boruto.

Interesting. So Toyo could be in Jump even if he's a 'pretender' since I know the original author of Naruto isn't doing Boruto, I honestly don't know how much involvement he has.

Kishimoto is an adviser to the projects. I'd say Yamashita Hiroyuki seems to be primed to be the real successor to Naruto, though, considering his level of involvement in the Boruto era ever since it came to light.

[Rhuagh]

Do WJS have monthly mangas?

Yes, Boruto.

Interesting. So Toyo could be in Jump even if he's a 'pretender' since I know the original author of Naruto isn't doing Boruto, I honestly don't know how much involvement he has.

Art is by Mikio Ikemoto and the script by Ukyo Kodachi. Kishimoto is credited as creator and supervisor. As far as I'm aware, the extent of Kishimoto's involvement is unclear.

The point is, Ikemoto's artstyle is drastically different from Kishimoto's. He has his own style and is not imitating the latter. So it's not the same situation.

[HeroR]

Yes, Boruto.

Interesting. So Toyo could be in Jump even if he's a 'pretender' since I know the original author of Naruto isn't doing Boruto, I honestly don't know how much involvement he has.

Art is by Mikio Ikemoto and the script by Ukyo Kodachi. Kishimoto is credited as creator and supervisor. As far as I'm aware, the extent of Kishimoto's involvement is unclear.

The point is, Ikemoto's artstyle is drastically different from Kishimoto's. He has his own style and is not imitating the latter. So it's not the same situation.

But that's Toyo's own fault that he didn't create his own style and just copies Toriyama. Something that Toriyama actually did get on him about in this interview.

Kishimoto is an adviser to the projects. I'd say Yamashita Hiroyuki seems to be primed to be the real successor to Naruto, though, considering his level of involvement in the Boruto era ever since it came to light.

Thanks for that. I do know Boruto is officially canon to Naruto with Kishimoto's blessing, but I didn't know if he had any involvement outside of maybe given some story points. I also remember there are several other authors doing Naruto stories that are also canon, kind of like DC and Marvel.

[sintzu]

Do WJS have monthly mangas?

Yes, Boruto.

Interesting. So Toyo could be in Jump even if he's a 'pretender' since I know the original author of Naruto isn't doing Boruto, I honestly don't know how much involvement he has.

Boruto isn't exactly a quality manga so Super not being there has nothing to do with its quality.

[Rhuagh]

Interesting. So Toyo could be in Jump even if he's a 'pretender' since I know the original author of Naruto isn't doing Boruto, I honestly don't know how much involvement he has.

Art is by Mikio Ikemoto and the script by Ukyo Kodachi. Kishimoto is credited as creator and supervisor. As far as I'm aware, the extent of Kishimoto's involvement is unclear.

The point is, Ikemoto's artstyle is drastically different from Kishimoto's. He has his own style and is not imitating the latter. So it's not the same situation.

But that's Toyo's own fault that he didn't create his own style and just copies Toriyama. Something that Toriyama actually did get on him about in this interview.

No, no, no. Toriyama would not have picked anyone with a completely different style of art, and he definitely had the right mindset about this! Aside from the universe used, Boruto is entirely different than Naruto, almost unrecognizable. As a sucessor to Naruto, it's terrible honestly. Nobody would want to read a Dragon Ball manga that looks and feels nothing like Dragon Ball.

[HeroR]

No, no, no. Toriyama would not have picked anyone with a completely different style of art, and he definitely had the right mindset about this! Aside from the universe used, Boruto is entirely different than Naruto, almost unrecognizable. As a sucessor to Naruto, it's terrible honestly. Nobody would want to read a Dragon Ball manga that looks and feels nothing like Dragon Ball.

Got some proof of that and 'as a sucessor to Naruto, it's terrible honestly' is a subjective statement.

Toyo chasing Toriyama is his biggest weakness and why he's called a 'pretender'. He isn't Toriyama and he shouldn't try to be.

[TKA]

Why is this thread so prone to getting into petty, uninformed discussions that help no one?

>Toyotaro being an "imitation"

This is an asinine statement. Part of being a professional artist in any field is being able to imitate a style. If you work for Cartoon Network on Teen Titans Go, you better learn how to draw in Teen Titans Go's style, rather than drawing like you're working on Avatar: The Last Airbender. Same is true for anime. If you're working on Dragonball, you better be able to draw Dragonball, otherwise you're not getting hired.

Super is a spinoff that started in VJump. That's why it's still in VJump. As it changed from being just promotional material for the anime, it got its page count increased. We already know how hard a monthly manga is a for him, so a weekly one where he has to produce essentially double the number of pages is unfeasible.

"Imitation" is just insulting. This thread has no respect at all for the author, despite Toriyama showering him with praise, despite his manga being competent, and despite the incredible sales figures no one expected. Discuss the manga, not slander the person.

Some mod/respected user probably needs to show up here and drop some truth bombs on people. VegettoEX, you there? Herms? Hujio? Ajay?

[Rhuagh]

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The only one interpretating "imitation" as a offense in this thread is YOU. Nobody is going to come here to drop any "truth bombs" (wtf). All Toyotaro has drawn, is drawing and wants to be able to drawn forever (according to himself), is Dragon Ball. Doesn't mean he is bad because of that.

This discussion was about why DBS is not on Weekly Shonen Jump and wether it could be there in the future. Don't try to spin it into something else with your meltdown and derail the thread.

[emperior]

https://mobile.twitter.com/taddlelegacy

This guy posted the 4 new pages Toyotaro added to Vegetto's fight.

[sintzu]

This thread has no respect at all for the author, despite Toriyama showering him with praise, despite his manga being competent, and despite the incredible sales figures no one expected. Discuss the manga, not slander the person.

The reaosn people go after him and the manga is because they're giving the anime heavy competition and making its flaws a lot clearer than they would've been had the anime been the only product.

[namekiansaiyan]

This thread has no respect at all for the author, despite Toriyama showering him with praise, despite his manga being competent, and despite the incredible sales figures no one expected. Discuss the manga, not slander the person.

The reaosn people go after him and the manga is because they're giving the anime heavy competition and making its flaws a lot clearer than they would've been had the anime been the only product.

You only like the Manga better because you think it makes Vegeta look better.

[Hawk9211]

So,have we moved from Canon/non Canon to this promotion bullshit?And personally I don't see anything wrong with dragon Ball having dragon Ball style,the dislike for homage and repetition is understandable,I don't like it myself.

[sintzu]

You only like the Manga better because you think it makes Vegeta look better.

NO...yes, but that's not the only reason :

1- It makes Vegeta look a lot better than the anime does so him being my favorite character will obviously get me on the manga's side.

2- Goku who's up there with Vegeta for me is also handled better here.

3- The art and fights are a lot more consistant and epic than the anime's.

4- It actually tries to explain things and keep power levels in line with the original so we didn't get the none sense we did with Trunks that was in the anime.

5- It makes Vegeta look a lot be...I already mentioned that but it's worth bringing up a 2nd time.

6- Thing flow a lot more naturally than they do in the anime.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

You only like the Manga better because you think it makes Vegeta look better.

NO...yes, but that's not the only reason :

1- It makes Vegeta look a lot better than the anime does so him being my favorite character will obviously get me on the manga's side.

What exactly "make him look better" means here?

[micah007]

I really don't see how the Boruto situation is drastically any different from DBS. Toyotaro has been called, implied, and praised as Toriyamas chosen successor for awhile now. Being called an "imitation" is just wrong, in all fairness he might have started out like that but clearly things have changed as Toriyama himself has praised him for recently.

[JazzMazz]

It's not head cannon. Base Goku only blocking Hit after that time skip proves that it was fully freezing Goku for the full 0.1 seconds. Showing that he was weaker than Hit.
Base Goku couldn't move during the skip. Base Goku could only block "AFTER" Time skip's 0.1 seconds. Allowing Hit to attack without interruption.
In Blue, Goku is shown ONLY being grazed by Hit's punch after the skip. Which shows that Goku was moving BEFORE Hit reached him in 0.1 seconds. Proving that Goku was stronger.
The manga and anime are demonstrating the same. Anime only showed it by visuals not in depth like the manga.

The thing is though, it isn't demonstrating that, in fact, it isn't even implied. Your evidence is paper thin and completely insubstantial. Hits time-skip works on Goku in the anime for 0.1 seconds, however, since Goku is predicting his movements to counter Hit had to improve his time skip to 0.2 seconds and on and on. Never in those sections of the fight was it even slightly implied, even visually, that Goku's power as an SSB was reducing Hits time-skip.

Thats just a head-canon you created to create a non-existent correlation between the two.

It isn't headcannon when Goku is SHOWN DODGING Hit's attack AND punching him BEFORE Hit reaches Goku to attack in 0.1 seconds.
You don't need prediction for that. That's just shows Goku being physically superior to Hit.

Again, it isn't shown in the anime that his dodging Hits punches before .1 seconds have passed.

The entire point of that fight is that Goku is out-predicting Hit, thats why Hit improves his time-skip to 0.2 seconds. Goku's plan when that does happen at that point isn't "I'm going to power up more", it was "I'm going to endure a few of your Hits to get used to your movements at 0.2 seconds."

Its never shown that Goku is breaking Hits time-skip in regular Blue. His only outfighting Hit because his predicting his movements after Time-skip and countering, which is allowing him to outfight Hit.

Also, if we want to continue this conversation, I think your next post should quote me in the manga vs anime thread.

[Meshack]

Hit, in the manga at least, is not stronger than Gokuh and Vegeta is because of Toriyama probably. Potara Zamasu was originally not stronger than Gokuh and Vegeta combined but Toyotarou changed it but at the same time, kept it.

[Meshack]

That's how it started but with it getting more pages and Toriyama seemingly being more involved with it, it seems to have evolved into more of its own thing. The anime will always be the "main" product but the manga at this point is more than just promotion.

No, it is not. Having more pages and more involvement from Toriyama (whatever that entitles now) doesn't change the fact that it still is being published in V-Jump magazine, a magazine which purpose is that of advertising products.

Why’re making it seem like being promotional material is bad? How is it promoting the anime when it diverges from the anime’s story and the anime staff gets information from Toyotarou? The anime didn’t have Trunks as a Kaiohshin apprentice. The anime didn’t have Black and Zamasu kill all of the Earthlings. The manga didn’t have the Genkidama Sword. The anime didn’t have Potara Zamasu retain his immortality and didn’t have him separate even though Toriyama wrote in his draft to have the Potara time limit.

Vjump is about video games. That’s probably what the V stands for in Vjump, Super is obviously not a video game but Toyotarou was already writing stuff for Vjump (Dragon Ball Heroes Victory Mission) so it wouldn’t make since form him to go to another magazine. Weekly Shonen Jump already has a lot of manga serializing in it and Vjump was probably the best way to go because of the promotion stuff for Heroes and Dokkan and future video game titles

[Meshack]

That's not how it works and that's not what's confirmed. That is just your interpretation, an incomplete one with some twisting.

Toei is based on manga so manga is canon

Canon doesn't matter anyway. People aren't going to stop watching just because some people on the internet try to convince them it isn't canon, nor are they going to drop the anime for the manga, if they vastly prefer the anime.
If the anime is liked and succesful, then that's what matters, not its supposedly dubious canonicity status in the franchise.

Saying something is not canon doesn’t mean they should not enjoy it. That’s not what canon is for.

[sintzu]

What exactly "make him look better" means here?

In the anime he couldn't touch Hit while it was pointed out in the manga that he could've beaten him if he didn't show Cabba Blue.

In the anime's first fight with Black he was a complete joke while in the manga he nearly killed him. He did nothing during the 2nd fight in the anime and in the last one his victory was short lived while in the manga he won and there was nothing Black could do.

In the anime he did little to nothing to fused Zamasu while in the manga he saved Goku form him and got the final blow before Zeno stepped in.

In the current arc the manga starts with him training with Whis then fighting Beerus, 2 things the anime didn't have.