"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Jigurashi]

Doesn't that just means he hadn't been fighting 100% seriously against Kale like he was with Jiren?

Sure we can always use the "Holding Back" card

I mean, it's not like it'd be necessarily false to say that. People only really say it because Goku does in fact sandbag.

[Alruneia]

What the hell are those supposed to be?
Beerus+Whis?
Arale+Towa? seriously? Towa? wth...
Goku and... Broly?
Piccolo and.. Pilaf? or Krillin and Piccolo?
Pan and... Videl? wtf...

Dragon Ball Fusions came out in August 2016 (in Japan, that is, the rest of the world got it later). If you've never seen anything from that game before now, that's actually kinda impressive.

[SansrivaaL]

What the hell are those supposed to be?
Beerus+Whis?
Arale+Towa? seriously? Towa? wth...
Goku and... Broly?
Piccolo and.. Pilaf? or Krillin and Piccolo?
Pan and... Videl? wtf...

Dragon Ball Fusions came out in August 2016 (in Japan, that is). If you've never seen anything from that game before now, that's actually kinda impressive.

Either that or I forgot, so its from a game, I thought it was just an art from someone.

[BlueBasilisk]

doesn't matter kale got one shotted while ssjb goku put up more of a fight despite getting stompec

We've sure never seen Goku take a bad hit when he was taken off guard, now have we? And for getting stomped so badly, Kale was up and fighting again less than a minute later in-universe with no noticeable damage.

I mean, it's not like it'd be necessarily false to say that. People only really say it because Goku does in fact sandbag.

He also has this weird habit of fighting people stronger than him at a deliberate disadvantage. He did it in the Future Trunks, fighting Black as SS2 when Trunks told us Black was as strong or stronger than Goku's SS3.

[TheMikado]

What the hell are those supposed to be?
Beerus+Whis?
Arale+Towa? seriously? Towa? wth...
Goku and... Broly?
Piccolo and.. Pilaf? or Krillin and Piccolo?
Pan and... Videl? wtf...

Dragon Ball Fusions came out in August 2016 (in Japan, that is). If you've never seen anything from that game before now, that's actually kinda impressive.

Either that or I forgot, so its from a game, I thought it was just an art from someone.

These things shouldn't exist in the first place. In at least any official Dragonball material, yet here we are...

[HeroR]

doesn't matter kale got one shotted while ssjb goku put up more of a fight despite getting stompec

We've sure never seen Goku take a bad hit when he was taken off guard, now have we? And for getting stomped so badly, Kale was up and fighting again less than a minute later in-universe with no noticeable damage.

I mean, it's not like it'd be necessarily false to say that. People only really say it because Goku does in fact sandbag.

He also has this weird habit of fighting people stronger than him at a deliberate disadvantage. He did it in the Future Trunks, fighting Black as SS2 when Trunks told us Black was as strong or stronger than Goku's SS3.

Black was screwing around too and I think Goku knew that. So, he went Super Saiyan 2 and tried to bring out Black’s power.

[BrolyKale]

Apparently, in the next EP Goku will be able to face Kale (with his fully controlled Bersek form) and Caulifla SSJ2 at the same time. Nullifying this "impression" that Kale has the same level as the Goku SSB.

Anyway, people do not waste time and already criticize the Blue transformation, we do not even know if it will lose.
As I said on some other topics, this is the most hated transformation of all, anything is already a reason for this ...

Goku is still recovering (so theoretically the SSB is not in full power), and it is plausible Kefla to be at a level capable of at least rivaling Goku Blue, nothing wrong here

She's in her control Super Saiyan form when fighting with Cali against Goku in the NEP. In fact, the only scene with Berserk Kale is her pushing Goku back, Goku shooting her with his foot, pushing her back, and her reverting to her controlled Super Saiyan form.

No, apparently, the controlled Berserker form is the way we saw it in the preview. Look at the image below.

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In this image (EP 113) Kale is in his regular SSJ form, and his hair is looking more yellow than green.

But in the two images below, her hair is green, just like when it stays in the Berseker state (shown in EP 100). Goku is also saying that she has completely controlled this transformation (in the synopsis the same thing is said).

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Coincidentally, in VJUMP I think (a few months ago) Kale herself was shown with her hair just like the preview of EP 114, green (not yellow like her regular SSJ transformation) and without being muscular and looking similar to the Broly.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

At no point in the preview is shown Kale Berserker with the appearance of broly

So we can only conclude that the form shown in the preview is Kale's controlled Berseker, since it is different from her SSJ form

I don't know why people keep saying its Kale's controlled Berserker... Caulifla says that she is in perfect control of her energy when she is in regular SSJ, that's all. That doesn't mean she controls her Berserker form. And if she really controlled her Berserker form she wouldn't change her appearance like wtf, she obviously can't control her Berserker form this is why she has that SSJ form.

[BlueBasilisk]

Black was screwing around too and I think Goku knew that. So, he went Super Saiyan 2 and tried to bring out Black’s power.

True. That's why I don't get too bent out of shape about how the characters scale up to each other. So many of them screw around that it's hard to get a sense of where they are relative to each other in the first place.

I don't know why people keep saying its Kale's controlled Berserker... Caulifla says that she is in perfect control of her energy when she is in regular SSJ, that's all. That doesn't mean she controls her Berserker form. And if she really controlled her Berserker form she wouldn't change her appearance like wtf, she obviously can't control her Berserker form this is why she has that SSJ form.

It's because she's shown to power up into her Berserker form at will in 101 and 113, plus this exchange from 101:

Goku:[Talking about Berserk Kale] Is she all right like that?
Caulifla: Yeah. She's got this ultra super power completely under control.

"Ultra Super" being what Caulifla called that form in an earlier scene.

[Cetra]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Maybe the throat is just drawn unlucky but this looks like an adam's apple. And women, no matter how masculine they might look, do not have an adam's apple. Not even BroKaley.

[Noah]

Maybe the throat is just drawn unlucky but this looks like an adam's apple. And women, no matter how masculine they might look, do not have an adam's apple. Not even BroKaley.

Not exactly, there are a few that may have without necessarily being shemales.

[BrolyKale]

It's because she's shown to power up into her Berserker form at will in 101 and 113, plus this exchange from 101:

Goku:[Talking about Berserk Kale] Is she all right like that?
Caulifla: Yeah. She's got this ultra super power completely under control.

"Ultra Super" being what Caulifla called that form in an earlier scene.

Why does she use her Berserker form if she got this ultra-super-power completely under control in her regular form?

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

These things shouldn't exist in the first place. In at least any official Dragonball material, yet here we are...

Why? It's just a videogame having fun with the material.

[BlueBasilisk]

Maybe the throat is just drawn unlucky but this looks like an adam's apple. And women, no matter how masculine they might look, do not have an adam's apple. Not even BroKaley.

They do. It's not prominent enough to be seen on most but some women do have a visible adam's apple.

Why does she use her Berserker form if she got this ultra-super-power completely under control in her regular form?

She doesn't. Her Beserker form is the ultra-super power. Caulifla was saying she has that form under control. The other form is some lower Super Saiyan form like Broly had before he roided out into Legendary. People are assuming Kale will control her full Berserker power and slim down again (a lot of them don't like the bulky Broly-esque form) but it remains to be seen if she can actually do that.

[BrolyKale]

So she can control her Berserker form now? when did she learn to do that? did I miss an episode?

[Sandubadear]

So she can control her Berserker form now? when did she learn to do that? did I miss an episode?

It's going to happen next episode.

[BlueBasilisk]

So she can control her Berserker form now? when did she learn to do that? did I miss an episode?

101 when they were fighting the five Pride Troopers.
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They were inside the dome when it happened so the others don't know about it except for Goku, 17 and 18.

[BrolyKale]

So she can control her Berserker form now? when did she learn to do that? did I miss an episode?

101 when they were fighting the five Pride Troopers.
[spoiler]

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They were inside the dome when it happened so the others don't know about it except for Goku, 17 and 18.

Ah right... she looked more calm when she was walking with Caulifla, I remember. But I still don't get why people say she won't transform into Broly anymore, that doesn't make any sense. This transformation is very unique to her (and Broly), no need to remove it, even though it looks ugly on a girl its still unique and shows how strong that form is.

[Cetra]

Not exactly, there are a few that may have without necessarily being shemales.

They do. It's not prominent enough to be seen on most but some women do have a visible adam's apple.

Which was the obvious semantic point of my statement. It does not actually matter if it was wrong that they "do not have one" and if they literally have one, just that it is considerably more insignificant, so much that you can hardly even notice, which is not the case here with Kale. Obviously you understood the intent of my post because you still got the "visible/not visible" part. Not even a quick search brought real results just because it is so normal that it is hardly visible.

[BlueBasilisk]

So she can control her Berserker form now? when did she learn to do that? did I miss an episode?

101 when they were fighting the five Pride Troopers.
[spoiler]

[/spoiler]
They were inside the dome when it happened so the others don't know about it except for Goku, 17 and 18.

Ah right... she looked more calm when she was walking with Caulifla, I remember. But I still don't get why people say she won't transform into Broly anymore, that doesn't make any sense. This transformation is very unique to her (and Broly), no need to remove it, even though it looks ugly on a girl its still unique and shows how strong that form is.

I think it's because of that V-jump piece that shows her skinny with dark green hair. It's the same page that had Yamamuro's designs for Jiren and Ribrianne. I personally think that's just her Super Saiyan form and we're just seeing variations with the colors, which HeroR pointed out with Blue, but we'll see next episode whether they're the same or different.

Edit: This is the one:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[BrolyKale]

101 when they were fighting the five Pride Troopers.
[spoiler]

[/spoiler]
They were inside the dome when it happened so the others don't know about it except for Goku, 17 and 18.

Ah right... she looked more calm when she was walking with Caulifla, I remember. But I still don't get why people say she won't transform into Broly anymore, that doesn't make any sense. This transformation is very unique to her (and Broly), no need to remove it, even though it looks ugly on a girl its still unique and shows how strong that form is.

I think it's because of that V-jump piece that shows her skinny with dark green hair. It's the same page that had Yamamuro's designs for Jiren and Ribrianne. I personally think that's just her Super Saiyan form and we're just seeing variations with the colors, which HeroR pointed out with Blue, but we'll see next episode whether they're the same or different.

Edit: This is the one:
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Yeah I saw that picture but I think that's just her regular SSJ... it'd be dumb if we don't see her Berserker form again.