Super is ending!?! (No, it's not)

[Tectorman]

Isn’t there an interview out there with Toyotaro to the effect of him (and the writers of the anime) looking forward to Super getting to and past EoZ so that they can finally make permanent changes to the story without being beholden to EoZ?

[TheMikado]

Do you mean it ending with everyone's memories being erased about meeting Beerus ?



There's going to be another video that says it ends in March. It's clearly not up yet so who knows but Super seems to big at this point to end it this soon.

Alright so we can cite a ton of in universe and out of universe reasons so I’ll go ahead.

BoG was a movie originally conceived and initial script by Toei without Toriyamas input. Once Toriyama was made aware of the product he rewrote much of the script but kept the original concepts such as SSG and Gods of Destruction. In universe this caused power inflation to the point of having the characters possibly “punch” the universe out of the existence. Narratively you have already reached a plateau power wise in a series about power.

Following this RoF movie was made and produced which pushed this concept even further power wise will also introducing Supers now trademark “characters as strong as the plot demands”.

It’s here where Super proper begins with a retelling of the movies. In this particular case we have seen glimmers of the poor production but will never know with certainty. We have seen multiple turnovers in staffing. During this time we also see the manga used as a promotional tool and being fleshed out presumably from the same “outline” that Toriyama was producing. Further we see Bandai has a sponsorship interest in it which similarly mirrors the Kai debacle. This leads to the Champa arc and our first true hint that the story and outline may not be concrete. This is the first New arc for the series to which we already see a divide in power levels and forms between the anime and the manga as well as the return of the SSJ forms. One of the theories I ran is in a literary sense the SSJ forms were too iconic and the god power too powerful to be used long term in a serialized format. Basically you have to create BS nonsensical scenarios to have your characters have any sense of danger.

Anyway fast forward and it seems on the anime power levels appear to be recon further indicating a production level issue manifested into the story. Also we have the formation of the DragonRoom which is specifically designed to talk about the further of Dragonball over a year ago. We have a new Dragonball 2018 site. We have the mysterious box set with the odd numbering and we have no mention of arcs beyond the current. In universe we have too many outs. Whis has the ability to redo time at any time as would the angels and the grand priest. Zeno is he god of all and we have the super Dragonballs that can grant any wish as well as 12 universes that are getting destroyed.
Further the way the plot has been written and hinged each even could be directly relegated to Goku meeting Beerus. Further this is consistent with their reluctance to go beyond EoZ and respect for Toriyamas work.

The end result I believe is that the wish on the Super Dragonballs will be that Goku never met Beerus setting off the current chain of events.
It neatly resolves everything while simultaneously allowing everything to still exist and EoZ to continue as it was. This they can reboot the series easily.

Whether that video exists or not just adds to the evidence. It not existing doesn’t disprove any of the aforementioned evidence.

No offense but THAT IS THE MOST STUPID PLAN EVER TO HAPPEN IN ALL OF MEDIA! That whole concept originated from a joke that the Dragon Ball community created to fit GT into the Dragon Bal timeline with Super. That actually happening would be the worst business decision EVER. This is never going to happen ever. Almost no one wants it to happen either unless they hate Super and love GT

Yes because you clearly own the property and a multiple million/billion dollar franchise and/or media company and are uniquely qualified to make an assessment on it being the worse business decision ever and the most stupid plan of to happen in all of media... I guess I’ll just take your word for it that your counter argument is that some guy in an Internet forum told me it was a stupid idea and I should ignore anything else that might have more clout or evidence to display. Yeah I guess I’ll do that.

[TheMikado]

Isn’t there an interview out there with Toyotaro to the effect of him (and the writers of the anime) looking forward to Super getting to and past EoZ so that they can finally make permanent changes to the story without being beholden to EoZ?

We have no idea if that’s in the context of super proper. The even the producer who did the inter for the ToP was talking about Toriyamas ideas beyond the Tournament of power in a global sense not Super.

[AnimeNation101]

Alright so we can cite a ton of in universe and out of universe reasons so I’ll go ahead.

BoG was a movie originally conceived and initial script by Toei without Toriyamas input. Once Toriyama was made aware of the product he rewrote much of the script but kept the original concepts such as SSG and Gods of Destruction. In universe this caused power inflation to the point of having the characters possibly “punch” the universe out of the existence. Narratively you have already reached a plateau power wise in a series about power.

Following this RoF movie was made and produced which pushed this concept even further power wise will also introducing Supers now trademark “characters as strong as the plot demands”.

It’s here where Super proper begins with a retelling of the movies. In this particular case we have seen glimmers of the poor production but will never know with certainty. We have seen multiple turnovers in staffing. During this time we also see the manga used as a promotional tool and being fleshed out presumably from the same “outline” that Toriyama was producing. Further we see Bandai has a sponsorship interest in it which similarly mirrors the Kai debacle. This leads to the Champa arc and our first true hint that the story and outline may not be concrete. This is the first New arc for the series to which we already see a divide in power levels and forms between the anime and the manga as well as the return of the SSJ forms. One of the theories I ran is in a literary sense the SSJ forms were too iconic and the god power too powerful to be used long term in a serialized format. Basically you have to create BS nonsensical scenarios to have your characters have any sense of danger.

Anyway fast forward and it seems on the anime power levels appear to be recon further indicating a production level issue manifested into the story. Also we have the formation of the DragonRoom which is specifically designed to talk about the further of Dragonball over a year ago. We have a new Dragonball 2018 site. We have the mysterious box set with the odd numbering and we have no mention of arcs beyond the current. In universe we have too many outs. Whis has the ability to redo time at any time as would the angels and the grand priest. Zeno is he god of all and we have the super Dragonballs that can grant any wish as well as 12 universes that are getting destroyed.
Further the way the plot has been written and hinged each even could be directly relegated to Goku meeting Beerus. Further this is consistent with their reluctance to go beyond EoZ and respect for Toriyamas work.

The end result I believe is that the wish on the Super Dragonballs will be that Goku never met Beerus setting off the current chain of events.
It neatly resolves everything while simultaneously allowing everything to still exist and EoZ to continue as it was. This they can reboot the series easily.

Whether that video exists or not just adds to the evidence. It not existing doesn’t disprove any of the aforementioned evidence.

No offense but THAT IS THE MOST STUPID PLAN EVER TO HAPPEN IN ALL OF MEDIA! That whole concept originated from a joke that the Dragon Ball community created to fit GT into the Dragon Bal timeline with Super. That actually happening would be the worst business decision EVER. This is never going to happen ever. Almost no one wants it to happen either unless they hate Super and love GT

Yes because you clearly own the property and a multiple million/billion dollar franchise and/or media company and are uniquely qualified to make an assessment on it being the worse business decision ever and the most stupid plan of to happen in all of media... I guess I’ll just take your word for it that your counter argument is that some guy in an Internet forum told me it was a stupid idea and I should ignore anything else that might have more clout or evidence to display. Yeah I guess I’ll do that.

You dont have to own a multi-million or billion dollar company to no what is stupid and what isn’t. Your logic sounds like you are saying that you have to be Einstein to know that you shouldn’t go out swimming in the winter

[TheMikado]

You dont have to own a multi-million or billion dollar company to no what is stupid and what isn’t. Your logic sounds like you are saying that you have to be Einstein to know that you shouldn’t go out swimming in the winter

No what I’m saying is it’s like you’re trying to tell Michael Phelps that he shouldn’t go swimming in the ocean. The point I’m making is that just like that example, they would be infinitely more qualified to make than business decision that armchair analysts. This is something that has not only be done before but done often and with success.

[MR.Mark]

If this is true and a means to go past EOZ I'm all for it. Whether it be for a new TV series or film series. While I don't hate Super part of me thinks they should of stuck continuing the story via a film every 2 years, though I know business wise it's probability not in there best interest.

Ethier way I don't know why some fans are still clamouring for the next generation, I think after Gohan and Uub Toriyama will all but retcon this idea. Sure by all means find a way to make Uub and Pan strong supporting roles unlike how GT wasted them. However to expect Goku and Vegeta to not at the very least have strong mentoring roles in future stories is unrealistic.

Goku is the main character, DB should not continue without him.

[ChiefWamsutta]

I’ve been calling this since the champs arc...
but whatever I’ll lost the obviously reasons why in this thread in a bit.

Seriously people, Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming a mile away on a dark night in the fog..

Wait, what? Dude, that doesn't make you clairvoyant. The Battle of Gods, Resurrection 'F', and Universe 6 arcs were the minimum Super would run for.

Anybody can say at the end of each arc that it will be Super's last arc. I can say Universe Survival will be the last one, then when I'm wrong I can say the following arc will be Super's last.

That's what you're saying that you have been doing. ... That's not "calling it," or that anyone can "see that coming." You're just guessing and checking based on a baseless assumption that Super will be erased from continuity by the Super Dragon Balls. Not only is that far too meta for Dragon Ball, it is a poor business move to pretend an entire series never happened.

[sintzu]

The end result I believe is that the wish on the Super Dragonballs will be that Goku never met Beerus setting off the current chain of events. It neatly resolves everything while simultaneously allowing everything to still exist and EoZ to continue as it was. This they can reboot the series easily.

It's an insult to the viewers.

The problem with BOG is that it works better as an end story rather than a way of beginning things cause how much higher can you go before things get out of hand and stop making sense ? That's what we've been seeing since RF.

Although I don't like the idea of things being rebooted, I don't know how much longer things can go before they run into a wall and we all know the franchise won't end after a few arcs.

In terms of the viewers, I agree that being invested in something like this only for the plug to be pulled for the simple reason of them not thinking ahead of time will be a big F you to anyone who's been invested in things so far. That would be like them saying "One Piece is too big to end once Luffy is king so let's have the whole thing be a dream so that we can have another adventure from scratch". If DB can't continue and this is the only way to continue it then it should just end.

[MR.Mark]

Toei still pushes movies characters and GT characters in merchandise, do some fans really think Toei would be as idiotic to decide Super never happened with it's current success?

[MKCSTEALTH]

I've been hearing this claim for a while now. And honestly, it would make no sense. Not with how well Super has been doing.

Yes, rating wise it's no where near Z was, but you have to take into account the time slot it's airing and what shows it's airing with (namely One Piece and a few other Funi anime)

However, most of Super's success spawns from it's merchandise sales, which have been astronomical. They are pushing a ton of merchandise. It would be foolish to cut things off when it's doing so well.

I can see it realistically going past the 200 episode mark. Will it? Who's to say. But the Universe Survival Arc will not be the end of Super. We have too many other story lines to pursue and too many other narrative possibilities to see for it to just end.

[Kinokima]

Once again the “maybe ending in March” was a complete mistranslation of what was actually said. And this is exactly how rumors start.

[AnimeNation101]

EVERYBODY!! Herms has cleared everything up!

The interview actually said that the Tournament of Power is going to run through March 2018!

There is also other interesting details:

Even more hyped for Jump Festa because in the video they say stuff about more news to be reavealed at th end of the year which is jump festa

Here’s the website with the vid: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2017/11/04/in ... del-manga/

[VegettoEX]

It was actually Julian, not Jake, who did all the translation work for the audio interview where the "March" information came from, and your link of "the website" with stuff is... well... this very website's forum that you're posting on right now.

[AnimeNation101]

It was actually Julian, not Jake, who did all the translation work for the audio interview where the "March" information came from, and your link of "the website" with stuff is... well... this very website's forum that you're posting on right now.

I know, when i re-read ,y post i notice and I face palmed myself. Also what do you mean Jake and Julian?

Also thanks for changing my title to reflect the debunked rumor.

Edit: unlesss u mean that Herms is Jake but he didn’t translate it. Can you please link me to Julian? I think i might know who you are talking about

[VegettoEX]

"Herms" (Jake) and "SaiyaJedi" (Julian) both work with me (and "Hujio") here on Kanzenshuu.

Jake did not translate the audio-only interview with the March information; Julian did. There is nothing for me to link you to, because we worked on it together over text messages. Everything you need is in the article posted on the website.

[Gt91]

Well, that's a great news.
Thanks for the translation

[sangofe]

EVERYBODY!! Herms has cleared everything up!

The interview actually said that the Tournament of Power is going to run through March 2018!

There is also other interesting details:

Even more hyped for Jump Festa because in the video they say stuff about more news to be reavealed at th end of the year which is jump festa

Here’s the website with the vid: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2017/11/04/in ... del-manga/

I like the additional announcements later this year part .

[AnimeNation101]

EVERYBODY!! Herms has cleared everything up!

The interview actually said that the Tournament of Power is going to run through March 2018!

There is also other interesting details:

Even more hyped for Jump Festa because in the video they say stuff about more news to be reavealed at th end of the year which is jump festa

Here’s the website with the vid: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2017/11/04/in ... del-manga/

I like the additional announcements later this year part .

DONT WE ALL? Mark your calendar for December 15 - 17 for Jump Festa because thats when they reveal everything

[TekTheNinja]

Most likely "Super" is ending, but the next Dragonball series called, "Dragonball: The Next Generation" will start the following week.

We'll finally move into EOZ with Trunks, Goten, Pan, Uub, etc as the new stars. It's about time.

I wish, but they don't have the balls to do something like that. Hell, modern Toriyama doesn't even have the balls let anyone besides Goku and Vegeta fight most of the lackeys, let alone be the main focus. Also wouldn't even let Vegeta kill Frieza. Even if they go beyond EoZ, Goku will still be miles ahead of everyone and boringly sweeping up enemies. This is the fatal flaw of modern Dragon Ball.

This isn't a modern DB thing. This has been going on for some time in DB. Personally, I don't really like it myself, but Goku being miles ahead of his friends almost all the time will probably never change unfortunately.

Nope. In Z, Goku wasn't even always the strongest. He quickly regained the title of strongest every time, but still had actual competition. And back then, while you could say Goku was say, twice as strong as Krillin for example, here he isn't even in the same strength ballpark as any of the humans. And now with Ultra Instinct, I don't see how even Vegeta can even remotely keep up.

[Lord Beerus]

This thread epitomizes just how much mistranslation and misinformation are still big issues within this fandom.