"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Post by Kinokima » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:32 am

MrKaytos wrote:Hi there again!! As I promised yesterday, here I am with the second interview that my partners did in Mision Tokyo. Here you can listen to the "March thing" and the annoucement for the end of this year: http://misiontokyo.com/noticias/entrevi ... ball-super

Yes and from reading it what you said about the series maybe ending in March is definitely not what they said.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:37 am

So the current arc slated until March doesn't necessarily mean ToP will last tbat long, remember the ToP didn't exactly start straight away, methinks they'll be something more to this arc after the ToP. Maybe something involving the suspicious angels...

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Post by sintzu » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:39 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Apparently what I've gathered in the last ten pages of posts is that mistranslation and misinformation are still major problems within this fandom.
Pretty much. It seems like they were talking about the arc (or slice of life episodes that follow each arc) ending in March but saying the entire show is ending gets more people talking so going with that makes the most sense. :crazy:

I guess what we can take form this is not to trust something unless it comes directly form official sources or reliable people like the high ups here on Kanzenshuu.
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Post by Big Black Sayian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:39 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:So the current arc slated until March doesn't necessarily mean ToP will last tbat long, remember the ToP didn't exactly start straight away, methinks they'll be something more to this arc after the ToP. Maybe something involving the suspicious angels...
Your right but at one minute per episode it's still possible.

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Post by Kinokima » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:42 am

Big Black Saiyan wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:So the current arc slated until March doesn't necessarily mean ToP will last tbat long, remember the ToP didn't exactly start straight away, methinks they'll be something more to this arc after the ToP. Maybe something involving the suspicious angels...
Your right but at one minute per episode it's still possible.

I don’t want to believe it but I am beginning to think this is a possibility

Although I hope Sintzu is right and they are also counting filler in the equation.

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Post by Michsi » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:43 am

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BlueBasilisk wrote:Nice to see SSG getting so much love this arc. :D

I really hope we get to see Kafla stomp the shit out of Frieza and but him back in his place.
Plz freeza ain't stupid he'll attack when the times right
The end of the Namek Saga and Resurrection 'F' would like a word with you. Freeza, despite his cleverness, can be very stupid.
He has to reach that meltdown faze first, though, and he doesn't seem to be anywhere near that point. Even in the screenshot he appears way too amused for someone who used to panic at the very idea of anybody being even close to his level.

Even though the role seems right up his alley, we've actually never seen Freeza as a schemer before.
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Post by Totamo » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:45 am

HeroR wrote:
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I can understand this but at the same time...to quote what I got in my head, "A person's truth is so simple, that most ignore it to concentrate on what they think are deeper truths." Not saying you are ignoring anything but speaking generally it could be as simple as that sometimes. I have no reason to doubt him, I'm not the one that receives anything from Toriyama and if I did I wish it was that handjob.
No, i would believe all of this if not for 3 things.


1. Toriyama is a lazy man. There is no way he is doing THIS much before behind the scenes.


2. We have a manga based off said draft. The paths are mostly very different. Heck Gohan isnt even in the manga but the anime he goes back and forth. They are saying they can only make suggestions and can't change anything without his permission.

3. This interview makes it seem like Toei has virtually no power over anything in the story besides suggestions and requests but Toyo has never once hinted he was tied down like that. This implies that toyo has more freedom than toei, which is baffling to say the least.


Now, i could be wrong, and tori has all the power then my new question is what is in the draft and how do we know who came up with what so we can praise or blame?
Gohan was added to Toei's stuff, but to the main story, Gohan had no role until this arc. Like Gohan wasn't one of the main cast of the Future Trunks Saga and Toei wrote the reason why. Also "Toriyama is a lazy man. There is no way he is doing THIS much before behind the scenes" is all assumption since we know he can have a very active role behind the scenes by just looking at the Battle of Gods movie.

Overall, nothing goes against the director's word other than fan bias.
The fact that Gohan was even added and had an entire episode dedicated to him in that arc,should tell you something.

Also he co wrote that movie, this isn't being cowritten. They are putting all the story on him.




Its a marketing tool, like i said i could be wrong, but I see no reason why at this point, except that toriyama really does have that much power.

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:46 am

Kinokima wrote:
Big Black Saiyan wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:So the current arc slated until March doesn't necessarily mean ToP will last tbat long, remember the ToP didn't exactly start straight away, methinks they'll be something more to this arc after the ToP. Maybe something involving the suspicious angels...
Your right but at one minute per episode it's still possible.

I don’t want to believe it but I am beginning to think this is a possibility

Although I hope Sintzu is right and they are also counting filler in the equation.
If the second half of the tournament is the same length as the first in terms of episodes then the last episode of the actual tournament will be 5th February. If we then have episodes to wrap up the arc including the wish and dealing with Frieza then the arc will easily finish in March.

There is 22 minutes left as of episode 113 so expect 9 episodes consisting of 2 minutes and another 4 episodes consisting of 1 minute. The last episode of the tournament will be episode 126 if this happens.

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Post by HeroR » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:56 am

pacz360 wrote: Yet he hasn't act like an idiot since the he came back this arc
He haven't been made to look fool like in F and even then he had a plan if he couldn't beat goku and blew up the the earth
The way he been portrayed nobody but jiren taking him out
He didn't act like a completely idiot on Namek either until Super Saiyan Goku happened. Then he progressively got dumber until it all came to a head where he cut himself to pieces, begged for his life, and then tried to blast Goku in the back. He then rushed to Earth with his daddy and turned into cold cuts.
Totamo wrote: The fact that Gohan was even added and had an entire episode dedicated to him in that arc,should tell you something.

Also he co wrote that movie, this isn't being cowritten. They are putting all the story on him.




Its a marketing tool, like i said i could be wrong, but I see no reason why at this point, except that toriyama really does have that much power.
Not really since Gohan contribute nothing to the overall plot. You can removed the episode in question and the story would remained the same. The episode only exists to explained why Gohan had no part in the plot and to strengthen Future Trunks' resolved.

He also wrote all of Resurrection 'F', so I am not seeing your point about 'Toriyama is too lazy to be involved'. He also rewrote almost all of Battle of Gods so he did more than sure co-wrote.

Like I said, your entire point is based on bias and this narrowed mindset that 'Toriyama is lazy, so Toei can whatever'. This despite Toyo saying that Toriyama checks everything and the direct even saying Toriyama has the final word, although they can make requests or suggestions.
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He has to reach that meltdown faze first, though, and he doesn't seem to be anywhere near that point. Even in the screenshot he appears way too amused for someone who used to panic at the very idea of anybody being even close to his level.

Even though the role seems right up his alley, we've actually never seen Freeza as a schemer before.
Neither was Frost in the 108 shots.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by Totamo » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:17 pm

HeroR wrote:
pacz360 wrote: Yet he hasn't act like an idiot since the he came back this arc
He haven't been made to look fool like in F and even then he had a plan if he couldn't beat goku and blew up the the earth
The way he been portrayed nobody but jiren taking him out
He didn't act like a completely idiot on Namek either until Super Saiyan Goku happened. Then he progressively got dumber until it all came to a head where he cut himself to pieces, begged for his life, and then tried to blast Goku in the back. He then rushed to Earth with his daddy and turned into cold cuts.
Totamo wrote: The fact that Gohan was even added and had an entire episode dedicated to him in that arc,should tell you something.

Also he co wrote that movie, this isn't being cowritten. They are putting all the story on him.




Its a marketing tool, like i said i could be wrong, but I see no reason why at this point, except that toriyama really does have that much power.
Not really since Gohan contribute nothing to the overall plot. You can removed the episode in question and the story would remained the same. The episode only exists to explained why Gohan had no part in the plot and to strengthen Future Trunks' resolved.

He also wrote all of Resurrection 'F', so I am not seeing your point about 'Toriyama is too lazy to be involved'. He also rewrote almost all of Battle of Gods so he did more than sure co-wrote.

Like I said, your entire point is based on bias and this narrowed mindset that 'Toriyama is lazy, so Toei can whatever'. This despite Toyo saying that Toriyama checks everything and the direct even saying Toriyama has the final word, although they can make requests or suggestions.
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He has to reach that meltdown faze first, though, and he doesn't seem to be anywhere near that point. Even in the screenshot he appears way too amused for someone who used to panic at the very idea of anybody being even close to his level.

Even though the role seems right up his alley, we've actually never seen Freeza as a schemer before.
Neither was Frost in the 108 shots.
You don't get it, Gohan was added. Thats the whole point. It doesn't matter that he doesn't serve a purpose. He was added. Not to mention, they also added a scene of him in the U6 arc and after ROF.

The up and down scale of his character is only in the anime and you are telling me that toriyama, knowing that Gohan would not be used until now, allowed that.


also toriyama himself said that he did not even read the final scripts back when the future trunks arc was announced.


so either he is lying or they are using his name as a marketing tool

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Post by Michsi » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:30 pm

HeroR wrote:
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He has to reach that meltdown faze first, though, and he doesn't seem to be anywhere near that point. Even in the screenshot he appears way too amused for someone who used to panic at the very idea of anybody being even close to his level.

Even though the role seems right up his alley, we've actually never seen Freeza as a schemer before.
Neither was Frost in the 108 shots.
Yeah, but Frost was a big part of that episode, one practically dedicated to his demise; this isn't a Freeza episode so I doubt we'll see him go through any major temper changes.

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Post by Chuquita » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:34 pm

Re: the rumor of ToP lasting till next March

I wonder if all future story arcs are going to be as long as ToP. I hope not.
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Post by Kinokima » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:34 pm

Pretty sure Freeza is here for the long haul. If he is going to have a melt down it certainly won’t be anytime soon.

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Post by HeroR » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:35 pm

Totamo wrote: You don't get it, Gohan was added. Thats the whole point. It doesn't matter that he doesn't serve a purpose. He was added. Not to mention, they also added a scene of him in the U6 arc and after ROF.

The up and down scale of his character is only in the anime and you are telling me that toriyama, knowing that Gohan would not be used until now, allowed that.


also toriyama himself said that he did not even read the final scripts back when the future trunks arc was announced.


so either he is lying or they are using his name as a marketing tool
Gohan was added in such a minor way that he didn't impact the story. So Toei putting fan service of Gohan really doesn't matter.

Why would Toriyama disallowed Toei from using characters at all? That doesn't even remotely make sense, especially when they're not doing anything to change the overall plot.

No, this is you being stubborn since you think any usage of a character not in the outline is Toei going against Toriyama or Toriyama not caring.
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He has to reach that meltdown faze first, though, and he doesn't seem to be anywhere near that point. Even in the screenshot he appears way too amused for someone who used to panic at the very idea of anybody being even close to his level.

Even though the role seems right up his alley, we've actually never seen Freeza as a schemer before.
Neither was Frost in the 108 shots.
Yeah, but Frost was a big part of that episode, one practically dedicated to his demise; this isn't a Freeza episode so I doubt we'll see him go through any major temper changes.
Should I remind you that Tien wasn't the main focused of 106?
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Post by sintzu » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:40 pm

Based on the interview translated on the front page, it looks like Toriyama is nowhere near being done with the franchise and that Super's future alongside the possibility of a new movie will be announced in December. It's also said that retelling the movies was Toriyama's idea but nothing about him being directly involved with them.

I CAN'T WAIT to see what's planned for the future and thank god Super isn't ending anytime soon.
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Post by Michsi » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:40 pm

HeroR wrote:
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Neither was Frost in the 108 shots.
Yeah, but Frost was a big part of that episode, one practically dedicated to his demise; this isn't a Freeza episode so I doubt we'll see him go through any major temper changes.
Should I remind you that Tien wasn't the main focused of 106?
No need, my memory is not that bad. However, Tien was very much highlighted in the official previews so people expected him to play a big part in that.

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Post by BlueBasilisk » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:51 pm

HeroR wrote: Should I remind you that Tien wasn't the main focused of 106?
Unless he just pops in for a quick cameo before leaving, it is kinda strange Frieza was totally absent in the NEP from last week, along with SSG and Berserker Kale. The whole thing was focused around that punch-up with SS2 Goku. Wonder if they might be hiding some crazy stuff this episode?
sintzu wrote:Based on the interview translated on the front page, it looks like Toriyama is nowhere near being done with the franchise and that Super's future alongside the possibility of a new movie will be announced in December. It's also said that retelling the movies was Toriyama's idea but nothing about him being directly involved with them.

I CAN'T WAIT to see what's planned for the future and thank god Super isn't ending anytime soon.
We were already suspecting that some new Super information might come out of Jump Festa next month, and it sounds like that's really likely now. I can't wait to see what's going to happen with Super in the future either! :D

Dunno about this tournament possibly running until March though. Jeez. :wtf:

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Post by perucho1990 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:00 pm

I'm looking forward to Freeza interacting with the girls, there is a chance for another throwback to previous DB series if idk Freeza mentions that Caulifla reminds him of Bardocks wife aka Gine.

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Post by HeroR » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:03 pm

BlueBasilisk wrote:
HeroR wrote: Should I remind you that Tien wasn't the main focused of 106?
Unless he just pops in for a quick cameo before leaving, it is kinda strange Frieza was totally absent in the NEP from last week, along with SSG and Berserker Kale. The whole thing was focused around that punch-up with SS2 Goku. Wonder if they might be hiding some crazy stuff this episode?
sintzu wrote:Based on the interview translated on the front page, it looks like Toriyama is nowhere near being done with the franchise and that Super's future alongside the possibility of a new movie will be announced in December. It's also said that retelling the movies was Toriyama's idea but nothing about him being directly involved with them.

I CAN'T WAIT to see what's planned for the future and thank god Super isn't ending anytime soon.
We were already suspecting that some new Super information might come out of Jump Festa next month, and it sounds like that's really likely now. I can't wait to see what's going to happen with Super in the future either! :D

Dunno about this tournament possibly running until March though. Jeez. :wtf:
I have some doubts about that since there are far less people left and even if they pulled the multiple fights like they're doing with the U6 Saiyans, there isn't anyone that important left to have multiple episodes like this. Unless you think we will get a two or three-parter with U3 or U2. Could be like the Future Trunks Saga which includes the 10 breather episodes before the TOP when the arc itself ended in November.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:09 pm

HeroR wrote:
BlueBasilisk wrote:
HeroR wrote: Should I remind you that Tien wasn't the main focused of 106?
Unless he just pops in for a quick cameo before leaving, it is kinda strange Frieza was totally absent in the NEP from last week, along with SSG and Berserker Kale. The whole thing was focused around that punch-up with SS2 Goku. Wonder if they might be hiding some crazy stuff this episode?
sintzu wrote:Based on the interview translated on the front page, it looks like Toriyama is nowhere near being done with the franchise and that Super's future alongside the possibility of a new movie will be announced in December. It's also said that retelling the movies was Toriyama's idea but nothing about him being directly involved with them.

I CAN'T WAIT to see what's planned for the future and thank god Super isn't ending anytime soon.
We were already suspecting that some new Super information might come out of Jump Festa next month, and it sounds like that's really likely now. I can't wait to see what's going to happen with Super in the future either! :D

Dunno about this tournament possibly running until March though. Jeez. :wtf:
I have some doubts about that since there are far less people left and even if they pulled the multiple fights like they're doing with the U6 Saiyans, there isn't anyone that important left to have multiple episodes like this. Unless you think we will get a two or three-parter with U3 or U2. Could be like the Future Trunks Saga which includes the 10 breather episodes before the TOP when the arc itself ended in November.
You could have something like this which is 16 episodes

3 for Jiren
2 for Toppo
2 for Namekians
2 for Bugs and Shantsa
2 for Universe 3
2 for Caulifla and Kale
1 for Dyspo
1 for Rozie and Ribrianne
1 for Zarbuto, Zirloin and Rabanra

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