"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

For the best DBS should end the year 2017 with the Final 10, perfect cliffhanger before heading to 2018.

Well they include include the Goten/Trunks/Maron stuff for padding.

[emperior]

I'm looking forward to Freeza interacting with the girls, there is a chance for another throwback to previous DB series if idk Freeza mentions that Caulifla reminds him of Bardocks wife aka Gine.

Why would Freeza even know Gine, and how could Caulifla even remind him Gine if she was completely different in personality.
Freeza remembered Bardock because he was seemingly the only Saiyan who tried to oppose him until he blew Planet Vegeta up.

[HeroR]

Unless he just pops in for a quick cameo before leaving, it is kinda strange Frieza was totally absent in the NEP from last week, along with SSG and Berserker Kale. The whole thing was focused around that punch-up with SS2 Goku. Wonder if they might be hiding some crazy stuff this episode?


We were already suspecting that some new Super information might come out of Jump Festa next month, and it sounds like that's really likely now. I can't wait to see what's going to happen with Super in the future either!

Dunno about this tournament possibly running until March though. Jeez.

I have some doubts about that since there are far less people left and even if they pulled the multiple fights like they're doing with the U6 Saiyans, there isn't anyone that important left to have multiple episodes like this. Unless you think we will get a two or three-parter with U3 or U2. Could be like the Future Trunks Saga which includes the 10 breather episodes before the TOP when the arc itself ended in November.

You could have something like this which is 16 episodes

3 for Jiren
2 for Toppo
2 for Namekians
2 for Bugs and Shantsa
2 for Universe 3
2 for Caulifla and Kale
1 for Dyspo
1 for Rozie and Ribrianne
1 for Zarbuto, Zirloin and Rabanra

Why would the Namekians get two when they had no build up and Dypso already had an episode, the same with Rozie and Ribrianne. I also doubt Zarbuto, Zirloin and Rabanra would get any major focus at this point. At best, the Namekians would get the Ribrianne treatment when they fight for several episodes, but they're not the main focus.

[perucho1990]

Why would Freeza even know Gine, and how could Caulifla even remind him Gine if she was completely different in personality.
Freeza remembered Bardock because he was seemingly the only Saiyan who tried to oppose him until he blew Planet Vegeta up.

Gine, the wife of the saiyan who rebelled against him, and Gine and Caulifla have the same face imo.

[Kanassa]

Why would Freeza even know Gine, and how could Caulifla even remind him Gine if she was completely different in personality.
Freeza remembered Bardock because he was seemingly the only Saiyan who tried to oppose him until he blew Planet Vegeta up.

Gine, the wife of the saiyan who rebelled against him

You're saying it like Bardock registers that much in Frieza's mind. His face and name are probably all Frieza even knows about Bardock.

[emperior]

About ToP lasting until March, I think they meant the arc as a whole which also has filler. In this case, we are definitely getting some fillers about Goten, Trunks, Marron and Yamcha defending 17's island. This will last until episode 133, which explains why they decided to add it as the 13th episode of the Blu Ray disc - it would make no sense to start the following blu-ray release with a filler.
At the end of this year they will most likely just announce that Toriyama has written the arc after the ToP without giving further details, as it happened last year.

[namekiansaiyan]

I have some doubts about that since there are far less people left and even if they pulled the multiple fights like they're doing with the U6 Saiyans, there isn't anyone that important left to have multiple episodes like this. Unless you think we will get a two or three-parter with U3 or U2. Could be like the Future Trunks Saga which includes the 10 breather episodes before the TOP when the arc itself ended in November.

You could have something like this which is 16 episodes

3 for Jiren
2 for Toppo
2 for Namekians
2 for Bugs and Shantsa
2 for Universe 3
2 for Caulifla and Kale
1 for Dyspo
1 for Rozie and Ribrianne
1 for Zarbuto, Zirloin and Rabanra

Why would the Namekians get two when they had no build up and Dypso already had an episode, the same with Rozie and Ribrianne. I also doubt Zarbuto, Zirloin and Rabanra would get any major focus at this point. At best, the Namekians would get the Ribrianne treatment when they fight for several episodes, but they're not the main focus.

They are not rushing the second half so your reasoning does not really make much sense to me.

Does it really matter if the Namekians have not had any focus before? That could easily be explained by them not being involved in the first half of the tournament and having no connection to the rest of Universe 6, so why would they get any focus yet. Kale and Caulifla only got introduced because they are connected to Cabba.

Does it matter if Dyspo has had an episode before? He is suppose to be one of the top fighters so what is the problem with him getting another episode?

Ribrianne is obviously being saved for something so why wouldn't she have an episode about her and Rozie?

Why wouldn't Toei want to give these characters more focus? I highly doubt the second half will be shorter than the first half so we will have at least 11 more episodes after episode 115.

[Michsi]

Why would Freeza even know Gine, and how could Caulifla even remind him Gine if she was completely different in personality.
Freeza remembered Bardock because he was seemingly the only Saiyan who tried to oppose him until he blew Planet Vegeta up.

Gine, the wife of the saiyan who rebelled against him

You're saying it like Bardock registers that much in Frieza's mind. His face and name are probably all Frieza even knows about Bardock.

Not to mention that they might not be that keen on acknowledging DB Minus since it kind of contradicts Toei's own depiction of Goku's birth.

[HeroR]

They are not rushing the second half so your reasoning does not really make much sense to me.

Does it really matter if the Namekians have not had any focus before? That could easily be explained by them not being involved in the first half of the tournament and having no connection to the rest of Universe 6, so why would they get any focus yet. Kale and Caulifla only got introduced because they are connected to Cabba.

Does it matter if Dyspo has had an episode before? He is suppose to be one of the top fighters so what is the problem with him getting another episode?

Ribrianne is obviously being saved for something so why wouldn't she have an episode about her and Rozie?

Why wouldn't Toei want to give these characters more focus? I highly doubt the second half will be shorter than the first half so we will have at least 11 more episodes after episode 115.

Not focusing on every remaining fighter, especially for multiple episodes, isn't rushing.

Yes, since they had no building up. They were in the shadows and then 'boom, here they are' with no fanfare. They also appeared in no advisements unlike other TOP fighters like Trio De Danger. In comparison, Kale and Cali got build-up for several episodes before the tournament even started and Kale is in the intro. Heck, even their fusion is low-key hiding in the intro. There is simply no comparison between the Namekians and Kale and Cali.

More or less since Dyspo been kind of the butt monkey. He may get half an episode, or maybe he will have a background fight.

We don't know what they're doing with Ribrianne since overall, she isn't that impressive power-wise and seems to be a troll. The same with Rozie to a lesser extent since she got outplayed by base form Goku.

Some characters will get more focus than others. The rest is fodder. And the second half is called the 'climax' to boot, so it will probably be shorter than the second half for the reasons I named.

Gine, the wife of the saiyan who rebelled against him

You're saying it like Bardock registers that much in Frieza's mind. His face and name are probably all Frieza even knows about Bardock.

Not to mention that they might not be that keen on acknowledging DB Minus since it kind of contradicts Toei's own depiction of Goku's birth.

They've already acknowledging Dragon Ball Minus by including Jaco and Tights into Super.

[precita]

Ugh, Freeza looks all friendly with Goku in that pic to next weeks episodes. Makes me sick to my stomach, seeing "good guy" Freeza.

[namekiansaiyan]

They are not rushing the second half so your reasoning does not really make much sense to me.

Does it really matter if the Namekians have not had any focus before? That could easily be explained by them not being involved in the first half of the tournament and having no connection to the rest of Universe 6, so why would they get any focus yet. Kale and Caulifla only got introduced because they are connected to Cabba.

Does it matter if Dyspo has had an episode before? He is suppose to be one of the top fighters so what is the problem with him getting another episode?

Ribrianne is obviously being saved for something so why wouldn't she have an episode about her and Rozie?

Why wouldn't Toei want to give these characters more focus? I highly doubt the second half will be shorter than the first half so we will have at least 11 more episodes after episode 115.

Not focusing on every remaining fighter, especially for multiple episodes, isn't rushing.

Yes, since they had no building up. They were in the shadows and then 'boom, here they are' with no fanfare. They also appeared in no advisements unlike other TOP fighters like Trio De Danger. In comparison, Kale and Cali got build-up for several episodes before the tournament even started and Kale is in the intro. Heck, even their fusion is low-key hiding in the intro. There is simply no comparison between the Namekians and Kale and Cali.

More or less since Dyspo been kind of the butt monkey. He may get half an episode, or maybe he will have a background fight.

We don't know what they're doing with Ribrianne since overall, she isn't that impressive power-wise and seems to be a troll. The same with Rozie to a lesser extent since she got outplayed by base form Goku.

Some characters will get more focus than others. The rest is fodder. And the second half is called the 'climax' to boot, so it will probably be shorter than the second half for the reasons I named.

It is going to be one long climax, simple as that. Kale and Caulfla are getting at least 3 of these episodes and unless you think Jiren is going to get up and destroy everyone like you thought last time then I don't see the second half being that short at all.

That is Kale in the opening and not Kafla. I am not going to use not appearing in a magazine or the opening as a reason for the Namekians not lasting more than 3 minutes in an episode. Toei are allowed to keep a few surprises you know.

The Trio de Dangers only got promotion because Toei decided to use them for their version of the warm up fights to show the Zeno's what they will be watching.

Toei have also hyped characters that have done nothing in the tournament.

I see no reason why the Namekians, Dyspo and Ribrianne won't get any episodes dedicated to them.

[Michsi]

You're saying it like Bardock registers that much in Frieza's mind. His face and name are probably all Frieza even knows about Bardock.

Not to mention that they might not be that keen on acknowledging DB Minus since it kind of contradicts Toei's own depiction of Goku's birth.

They've already acknowledging Dragon Ball Minus by including Jaco and Tights into Super.

Isn't DB minus sort of an addendum to the Jaco Manga ? Either way, Jaco and Tights' existence doesn't really contradict anything Toei provided as much as DB minus does. Apparently they pick an choose what they feature, what with the nod towards Krillin's former girlfriend that appeared in a filler arc and keeping the Toei version of the Yadrats.

[namekiansaiyan]

Ugh, Freeza looks all friendly with Goku in that pic to next weeks episodes. Makes me sick to my stomach, seeing "good guy" Freeza.

You know exactly what he waiting for though.

[Pannaliciour]

In a separate, private interview conducted earlier — which the group subsequently provided an audio recording of — the group dives into a few more specifics, with the production team commenting on the forthcoming Q&A session. They explain that incorporating the theatrical films Battle of Gods and Resurrection ‘F’ into the new television series was Toriyama’s idea, and was part of introducing the characters Beerus and Whis, who the producers deemed essential to the story, to children who may not have already seen the movies.

So its was Toriyama's idea. Why didn't the manga incorporate this?

[HeroR]

It is going to be one long climax, simple as that. Kale and Caulfla are getting at least 3 of these episodes and unless you think Jiren is going to get up and destroy everyone like you thought last time then I don't see the second half being that short at all.

That is Kale in the opening and not Kafla. I am not going to use not appearing in a magazine or the opening as a reason for the Namekians not lasting more than 3 minutes in an episode. Toei are allowed to keep a few surprises you know.

The Trio de Dangers only got promotion because Toei decided to use them for their version of the warm up fights to show the Zeno's what they will be watching.

Toei have also hyped characters that have done nothing in the tournament.

I see no reason why the Namekians, Dyspo and Ribrianne won't get any episodes dedicated to them.

Cali and Kale are getting a lot episodes because they have been build up even before they made their official appearance. It doesn't have to be Jiren. People from other universes could actually start knocking each other out, not just U11 or U7.

That is Kafla based on the earrings. And what characters got a surprisingly amount of focused based on having no advisement?

And really doesn't matter why Toei used the Trio de Dangers. The fact remains, that they were used, which more we can say about the U6 Namekians. The only character that got hyped 'done nothing in the tournament' is the U3 guy and he only got a minor compared to everyone else who got build up.

Dyspo and Ribrianne have already gotten episodes to themselves, so why would they get more devoted to them?

Isn't DB minus sort of an addendum to the Jaco Manga ? Either way, Jaco and Tights' existence doesn't really contradict anything Toei provided as much as DB minus does. Apparently they pick an choose what they feature, what with the nod towards Krillin's former girlfriend that appeared in a filler arc and keeping the Toei version of the Yadrats.

It really doesn't matter since Minus is still part of Jaco, especially since the bonus chapter have Jaco being assigned to take care of Goku. Even then, we saw toddler Goku at the end of Jaco even without Minus.

Yes it does since Jaco and Tight are in Super with the assumption that you read Jaco. The events of Jaco doesn't match Toei's created story. Toriyama also never drew a Yadrat outside of Online that no one can confirmed if he actually created.

In a separate, private interview conducted earlier — which the group subsequently provided an audio recording of — the group dives into a few more specifics, with the production team commenting on the forthcoming Q&A session. They explain that incorporating the theatrical films Battle of Gods and Resurrection ‘F’ into the new television series was Toriyama’s idea, and was part of introducing the characters Beerus and Whis, who the producers deemed essential to the story, to children who may not have already seen the movies.

So its was Toriyama's idea. Why didn't the manga incorporate this?

That isn't new information since Toriyama more or less said before Super aired that the retellings exist for the new audience.

[omaro34]

Not much I can contribute after reading the last ten pages or so that hasn't been already said, but the current arc going till March hopefully will be the result of a new antagonist being introduced (a sinister plot) by the angels lead by the GP. Or perhaps another being higher than Zeno would appear just like how Zeno's first appearance was the end of the Universe six tournament arc. There are so many interesting ways they can handle the current plot direction of Super.

Since it's going till March I hope we don't see the tournament being stretched out till then, we are already just past the halfway point. Hopefully Goku vs Jiren part two will be secondary in terms of climax for what's to come in this arc.

Next month's announcement should give us more clarity.

[Michsi]

It really doesn't matter since Minus is still part of Jaco, especially since the bonus chapter have Jaco being assigned to take care of Goku. Even then, we saw toddler Goku at the end of Jaco even without Minus.

Yes it does since Jaco and Tight are in Super with the assumption that you read Jaco. The events of Jaco doesn't match Toei's created story. Toriyama also never drew a Yadrat outside of Online that no one can confirmed if he actually created.

They could adjust Jaco's story line to match their version, given how popular the Bardock OVA is. Without an actual anime adaptation of those chapters, there's still room for Toei to maneuver around it . DB Minus is more in line with the tone of DBS though, so who knows.

[HeroR]

It really doesn't matter since Minus is still part of Jaco, especially since the bonus chapter have Jaco being assigned to take care of Goku. Even then, we saw toddler Goku at the end of Jaco even without Minus.

Yes it does since Jaco and Tight are in Super with the assumption that you read Jaco. The events of Jaco doesn't match Toei's created story. Toriyama also never drew a Yadrat outside of Online that no one can confirmed if he actually created.

They could adjust Jaco's story line to match their version, given how popular the Bardock OVA is. Without an actual anime adaptation of those chapters, there's still room for Toei to maneuver around it . DB Minus is more in line with the tone of DBS though, so who knows.

Why would they do that since Toriyama himself made Jaco? It isn't like them changing whether Trunks was a Super Saiyan already before or after Gohan's death. I doubt he will just allow them to rewrite what he wrote just so it can match an OVA. Besides, the key thing 'Bardock faces Freeza and dies' still happens in all versions and that's the only thing that matter.

[OverHeaven]

I'm surprised that all the episodes since the special were really good - adaptation wise-! Every episode has some really great and high-quality shots.
I hope they can keep up with this level a little longer.

[Noah]

Also they could ask in that interview when the F*** they pretend to release Future Trunks arc soundtracks for god's sake

You don't get it, Gohan was added. Thats the whole point. It doesn't matter that he doesn't serve a purpose. He was added. Not to mention, they also added a scene of him in the U6 arc and after ROF. The up and down scale of his character is only in the anime and you are telling me that Toriyama, knowing that Gohan would not be used until now, allowed that. Also Toriyama himself said that he did not even read the final scripts back when the future trunks arc was announced.
So either he is lying or they are using his name as a marketing tool

I think it's clear that Toei has more power than Toriyama in the franchise, no point in arguing that, mate.