Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[JazzMazz]

Thankfully the anime said that Rose was his version of Super Saiyan not Super Saiyan Blue.

I think they just said it was a version of Super Saiyan of which Super Saiyan Rose would technically be.

It was also only said in some preview. It's supposed to be his equivalent of Super Saiyan Blue which is why he has the same aura and everything.

Then it's a legit plot hole.

Funny enough, Saiyan beyond God fixes this.

They stated in episode 62 that Black could only go Super Saiyan.

[HeroR]

I think they just said it was a version of Super Saiyan of which Super Saiyan Rose would technically be.

It was also only said in some preview. It's supposed to be his equivalent of Super Saiyan Blue which is why he has the same aura and everything.

Then it's a legit plot hole.

Funny enough, Saiyan beyond God fixes this.

They stated in episode 62 that Black could only go Super Saiyan.

They used Super Saiyan in the anime as a catch all. Like Super Saiyan 2 was just called Super Saiyan.

[JazzMazz]

Then it's a legit plot hole.

Funny enough, Saiyan beyond God fixes this.

They stated in episode 62 that Black could only go Super Saiyan.

They used Super Saiyan in the anime as a catch all. Like Super Saiyan 2 was just called Super Saiyan.

TBH, though this does go more into the realm of head-canon, I think SSRose is Blacks base Super Saiyan because he already possesses God Ki.

[ZombieVito]

Yeah, giving Black regular Super Saiyan multiplier is what works.

Otherwise Goku, Vegeta and Freeza get 400 times stronger by doing nothing special at all and no one comments on such gains.

[HeroR]

They stated in episode 62 that Black could only go Super Saiyan.

They used Super Saiyan in the anime as a catch all. Like Super Saiyan 2 was just called Super Saiyan.

TBH, though this does go more into the realm of head-canon, I think SSRose is Blacks base Super Saiyan because he already possesses God Ki.

We already know that base form Black doesn't have god ki since Krillin, Piccolo, and Trunks sensed his ki. When faced with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, Trunks couldn't sense it. Only pressure. Piccolo also couldn't sense god ki as seen in Episode 71 and even in the Battle of Gods Saga where he couldn't sense Beerus.

Yeah, giving Black regular Super Saiyan multiplier is what works.

Otherwise Goku, Vegeta and Freeza get 400 times stronger by doing nothing special at all and no one comments on such gains.

We already know from Toriyama's notes on Black that he has both Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Rose. So Rose isn't just normal Super Saiyan. And Goku and Vegeta getting stronger by a huge margin wouldn't shock anyone at this point. Not to mention, plenty of people got 400x stronger by 'doing nothing special' like 17 and Freeza.

[JazzMazz]

They used Super Saiyan in the anime as a catch all. Like Super Saiyan 2 was just called Super Saiyan.

TBH, though this does go more into the realm of head-canon, I think SSRose is Blacks base Super Saiyan because he already possesses God Ki.

We already know that base form Black doesn't have god ki since Krillin, Piccolo, and Trunks sensed his ki. When faced with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, Trunks couldn't sense it. Only pressure. Piccolo also couldn't sense god ki as seen in Episode 71 and even in the Battle of Gods Saga where he couldn't sense Beerus.

Yeah, giving Black regular Super Saiyan multiplier is what works.

Otherwise Goku, Vegeta and Freeza get 400 times stronger by doing nothing special at all and no one comments on such gains.

We already know from Toriyama's notes on Black that he has both Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Rose. So Rose isn't just normal Super Saiyan. And Goku and Vegeta getting stronger by a huge margin wouldn't shock anyone at this point. Not to mention, plenty of people got 400x stronger by 'doing nothing special' like 17 and Freeza.

Well, yeah, it would be shocking for Goku and Vegeta to get that much stronger since its been stated multiple times that they were capping out.

I'm referring more to Zamasu's godly essence more than anything else, also, how do we know SS Black was in the draft?

[HeroR]

TBH, though this does go more into the realm of head-canon, I think SSRose is Blacks base Super Saiyan because he already possesses God Ki.

We already know that base form Black doesn't have god ki since Krillin, Piccolo, and Trunks sensed his ki. When faced with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, Trunks couldn't sense it. Only pressure. Piccolo also couldn't sense god ki as seen in Episode 71 and even in the Battle of Gods Saga where he couldn't sense Beerus.

Yeah, giving Black regular Super Saiyan multiplier is what works.

Otherwise Goku, Vegeta and Freeza get 400 times stronger by doing nothing special at all and no one comments on such gains.

We already know from Toriyama's notes on Black that he has both Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Rose. So Rose isn't just normal Super Saiyan. And Goku and Vegeta getting stronger by a huge margin wouldn't shock anyone at this point. Not to mention, plenty of people got 400x stronger by 'doing nothing special' like 17 and Freeza.

Well, yeah, it would be shocking for Goku and Vegeta to get that much stronger since its been stated multiple times that they were capping out.

I'm referring more to Zamasu's godly essence more than anything else, also, how do we know SS Black was in the draft?

I don't think Super Saiyan Black was in the draft, but Toriyama did specifically note that Black has a Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Rose in his drawing of Black.

[Vados_chan]

Kale is Blue/Golden tier at the very least so full power SS Kafla should be SSBKKx10 at least

Then again the power levels were stupid again in the last episode so i don't know

[Bullza]

Looks like Goku uses Super Saiyan God in tonight's episode. I wonder if he uses it on Kale and Caulifla or Kafla though.

It would be useful if Goku uses Super Saiyan God to dominate Super Saiyan Berserk Kale and that's what causes them to fuse. At least then we'd know Kale never was God level at all.

[Noah]

It would be useful if Goku uses Super Saiyan God to dominate Super Saiyan Berserk Kale and that's what causes them to fuse. At least then we'd know Kale never was God level at all.

And how would you explain Kale walking through his Kamehameha when he was a SSJB?

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

It would be useful if Goku uses Super Saiyan God to dominate Super Saiyan Berserk Kale and that's what causes them to fuse. At least then we'd know Kale never was God level at all.

And how would you explain Kale walking through his Kamehameha when he was a SSJB?

The same way you explain how SSB Goku can be screaming as he begins to overpower Krillin's Kamehameha XD

[Ziegander]

Yeah, it won't make any sense, but I will not be at all surprised if SSG can take Berserker Kale no problems. If they have to explain it they can use "Zenkai magic!" after almost dying to Jiren to "justify" it.

[BWri]

Well, yeah, it would be shocking for Goku and Vegeta to get that much stronger since its been stated multiple times that they were capping out.

That, unfortunately, never held water. I was hoping they'd stick to this, but it was never a thing, or perhaps it was but only for that arc. In the anime anyway. Not sure if their limit was even mentioned in the manga.

[brett wheeler]

So from what I could tell, WTF fusion multiplier did kafla get she rofflestomps ssg in base to be fair goku is tired and suppressed as not to kill them but still 3ds fuck man

[ZombieVito]

Finally concrete proof that base Vegetto is indeed more powerful than SS3 Goku in the Boo arc.

[Lord Beerus]

- SSJ2 Goku battles SSJ Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla and it's as you would expect. It's the same thing from last week... the momentum changes constantly.
- SSJB Vegeta punches Topposin the face and send him flying
- SSJ2 Goku, who appears very much on the ropes, then transforms into SSJG and kicks Kale and Caulifla's butts at the same time. Like, they barely get any offence.
- SSJG Goku then literally blows them away at the same time, and it seem like Kale and Caulifla will be out of bounds. But then... Caulilfa and Kale fuse. KAFLA IS BORN.
- Base Kalfa then blitz pasts SSJG Goku, deflects a ki blast from him and then punches him in the face... holy shit.

EDIT: NEP shows SSJG Goku getting smacked around some more, by Kalfa I assume. Whether it still in her base form isn't made clear. Then he goes SSJB and SSJ Kalfa seems to shit her pants at the sight of it...

[Doctor.]

Oh, may the Lord have mercy on our souls for we are not ready.

Finally concrete proof that base Vegetto is indeed more powerful than SS3 Goku in the Boo arc.

If we go by this, then base Vegetto would be stronger than SSG Goku.

[dbzfan7]

Oh, may the Lord have mercy on our souls for we are not ready.

Ultra Instinct tier coming soon.

[Cetra]

I wonder how strong Kafla is when her power is maximum.

[BlueBasilisk]

- SSJ2 Goku battles SSJ Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla and it's as you would expect. It's the same thing from last week... the momentum changes constantly.
- SSJB Vegeta punches Topposin the face and send him flying
- SSJ2 Goku, who appears very much on the ropes, then transforms into SSJG and kicks Kale and Caulifla's butts at the same time. Like, the bare get any offence.
- SSJG Goku then literally blows them away at the same time, and it seem like Kale and Caulifla will be out of bounds. But then... Caulilfa and Kale fuse. KAFLA IS BORN.
- Base Kalfa then blitz pasts SSJG, deflects a ki blast from him and then punches him in the face... holy shit.

Kale also deflected the blast from SSG Goku and was trading fists with him for a bit. It's still not terribly clear where they stack up to each other since it looked like neither was taking damage from the other's attack.