Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

I think this just may top the Spirit Sword in terms of stupidity. When I thought Toei finally realized how big of a boost SSG is when he was fighting Kale & Caulifla, they go and do this right afterwards.

To be fair Kale herself was near God level

So fusion between Kale who is low god tier level and Caulifla should put her on On SSJG level

When transformed. Kale's base form is weak. Kafla's base is stronger than SSG.

[TheSaiyanGod]

According to Herms, Goku in SSG was not in his best physical condition. So he managed to dominate Kale and Caulifla without much trouble and without being in full power.

I think this confirms that Kale is superior to SSJ3 (for trading punches with Goku God) but much weaker than God himself

[BlueBasilisk]

The full NEP shows Kafla manhandling SSG Goku even more and he says he's going to fight her with Kaioken Blue. He's clearly not that tired if he can do that.

We might also find out how strong that cop guy is. He's fighting 17 and 18 next episode.

[Lord Frieza]

Ok I will have a go.....

Maybe its to do with Kale personality.... She's more confident and in control but in this more carm state she cannot fully draw out her full power.

Kind of like the difference between the Green Hulk and the Grey Hulk.

[SansrivaaL]

I think this just may top the Spirit Sword in terms of stupidity. When I thought Toei finally realized how big of a boost SSG is when he was fighting Kale & Caulifla, they go and do this right afterwards.

To be fair Kale herself was near God level

So fusion between Kale who is low god tier level and Caulifla should put her on On SSJG level

The problem here is she wasnt SSJG level, she speedblitzed him... in her base form, she is way above it.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm dying for subtitles. Because if any recent episode of Super needs an accurate English translations, it's this one. Because I'm so fucking lost. It seems like they retconned how powerful SSJ Beserker Kale seemed to be in Episode 100. Or Toei decided to lowball the shit out of Super Saiyan God.

[Doctor.]

Kale's power isn't even a big deal. SS2 Goku was handling Berserker fine enough. I mean, he was dodging hits. SSB Goku is a marketing ploy so it should never be taken seriously.

[Lord Beerus]

Kale's power isn't even a big deal. SS2 Goku was handling Berserker fine enough. I mean, he was dodging hits. SSB Goku is a marketing ploy so it should never be taken seriously.

I don't think we should take Goku fighting in any scenario seriously in any kind of capacity anymore. He's just a fucking terrible measuring stick when it comes to power comparisons because his strength fluctuates like crazy in any given battle, regards of what SSJ form he uses.

Also, I can see why Toriyama and Toei initially didn't want to reintroduce Potara again. It's a stupidity broken plot device. It can be as strong as the plot needs it to be.

[ZombieVito]

I'm dying for subtitles. Because if any recent episode of Super needs an accurate English translations, it's this one. Because I'm so fucking lost. It seems like they retconned how powerful SSJ Beserker Kale seemed to be in Episode 100. Or Toei decided to lowball the shit out of Super Saiyan God.

Goku said he was going to use a little bit more of power while facing her in episode 100..

He was not going all out.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm dying for subtitles. Because if any recent episode of Super needs an accurate English translations, it's this one. Because I'm so fucking lost. It seems like they retconned how powerful SSJ Beserker Kale seemed to be in Episode 100. Or Toei decided to lowball the shit out of Super Saiyan God.

Goku said he was going to use a little bit more of power while facing her in episode 100..

He was not going all out.

Why did he use SSJB though? I know, marketing, and all that shit. But in-universe, the logic is extremely faulty. Just use Super Saiyan God, for fucks sake.

[SansrivaaL]

I'm dying for subtitles. Because if any recent episode of Super needs an accurate English translations, it's this one. Because I'm so fucking lost. It seems like they retconned how powerful SSJ Beserker Kale seemed to be in Episode 100. Or Toei decided to lowball the shit out of Super Saiyan God.

Goku said he was going to use a little bit more of power while facing her in episode 100..

He was not going all out.

Why did he use SSJB though? I know, marketing, and all that shit. But in-universe, the logic is extremely faulty. Just use Super Saiyan God, for fucks sake.

Toei forgot it existed, it wasnt until 104 that they remembered Goku had a red form.
In-universe reason : Goku forgot he had SSJG, but after he saw Dyspo owning Hit he rememberd his fight with Beerus and remembers the form he used against him

[ZombieVito]

I'm dying for subtitles. Because if any recent episode of Super needs an accurate English translations, it's this one. Because I'm so fucking lost. It seems like they retconned how powerful SSJ Beserker Kale seemed to be in Episode 100. Or Toei decided to lowball the shit out of Super Saiyan God.

Goku said he was going to use a little bit more of power while facing her in episode 100..

He was not going all out.

Why did he use SSJB though? I know, marketing, and all that shit. But in-universe, the logic is extremely faulty. Just use Super Saiyan God, for fucks sake.

SSB Goku vs Kuririn.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku said he was going to use a little bit more of power while facing her in episode 100..

He was not going all out.

Why did he use SSJB though? I know, marketing, and all that shit. But in-universe, the logic is extremely faulty. Just use Super Saiyan God, for fucks sake.

Toei forgot it existed, it wasnt until 104 that they remembered Goku had a red form.
In-universe reason : Goku forgot he had SSJG, but after he saw Dyspo owning Hit he rememberd his fight with Beerus and remembers the form he used against him

Nah. They didn't forget SSJG existed. it's just that SSJB was the next big thing for them and they wanted to pimp out that form so they kill two birds with one stone:
- Artificially inflate the stakes and tension by have Goku and Vegeta constantly use their strongest SSJ form to date in their biggest battles (Freeza, Hit, Goku Black, Zamasu, damn near everyone in the Tournament Of Power)
- Promote the shows most popular and well know form and bring in more of that sweet merch money, because Blue in the new Yellow.

Goku said he was going to use a little bit more of power while facing her in episode 100..

He was not going all out.

Why did he use SSJB though? I know, marketing, and all that shit. But in-universe, the logic is extremely faulty. Just use Super Saiyan God, for fucks sake.

SSB Goku vs Kuririn.

We're opening Pandora's Box here...

[HeroR]

According to Herms, Goku in SSG was not in his best physical condition. So he managed to dominate Kale and Caulifla without much trouble and without being in full power.

I think this confirms that Kale is superior to SSJ3 (for trading punches with Goku God) but much weaker than God himself

Actually, none of Goku's attack harm Kale and Kale even deflected several of Goku attacks. It seems she has a low attack, much like how she could tank stuff in 100, but didn't really hurt Goku.

Also, the sub from CR said that Goku was surpassing his limits.

[MasterVampire]

Why do you people still try to make sense of this power level shit

[MisteryOne]

Seems like Toei wasn't happy enough to make Blue a joke, they also need to make God a joke. I specially love the whole "SSB defeated?" like if it mean anything at this point. Disgusting, Toyo save us.

That being said, if Goku needs Kaioken to fight her in that form, maybe she is strong enough to fight Jiren if she unlocks SS3. Or not. Who knows at this point.

[GodVegetto91]

Yes. This episode's powerscaling was COMPLETELY MESSED UP.

At first Berserker Mode Kale was made out to be such a big deal, she could even withstand and walk through a kamehameha from SSJ Blue Goku no less. Yet this time (even after controlling her incredible power, and gaining even more energy, as stated by Tien), she was unable to even beat a tired Super Saiyan God! Even with the help of Caulifla!

However, that's not the main problem of this episode. I can easily forget that.
What i do have a big problem with is the fact that they're trying to tell us that a BASE Potara Fused Saiyan is ABOVE a freaking Super Saiyan God!!!

What happened to the whole "Super Saiyan God is superior to even a SSJ3 Vegetto from the Buu Saga"!??? As HEAVILY implied by Battle of Gods and backed up by various different statements and feats, along with reason and logic?

[ZombieVito]

Base Kefla at the bare minimum is stronger than current SS3 Goku. I don't find anything wrong with her beating a weakened SSG Goku.

You guys are over reacting as always.

[TheSaiyanGod]

According to Herms, Goku in SSG was not in his best physical condition. So he managed to dominate Kale and Caulifla without much trouble and without being in full power.

I think this confirms that Kale is superior to SSJ3 (for trading punches with Goku God) but much weaker than God himself

Actually, none of Goku's attack harm Kale and Kale even deflected several of Goku attacks. It seems she has a low attack, much like how she could tank stuff in 100, but didn't really hurt Goku.

Also, the sub from CR said that Goku was surpassing his limits.

Anyway, Goku dominated Kale and Caulifla without much trouble. Kale swapped punches against a worn Goku and still did not hit any hits (Goku left his Ki blast with no scratches).

Also, if they could beat Goku, they would not have merged (they were almost eliminated and Goku only used God)

[SaiyanSoul]

My headcanon power scaling atm right now

SSJ2 Goku = SSJ1 Kale > SSj2 Caulifla
SSJ3 Goku > SSJ1 Kale > SSJ2 Caulifla
SSJBerkser Kale > SSJ3 Goku >SSJ2 Caulifla
SSG Goku > SSJBerkser > SSJ2 Caulifla
Base Kafla > or = to SSG Goku
SSBKK Goku > or = SSJBK (Super Saiyan with Berserker Ki) Kafla
Jiren > Imperfect UI Goku > Hitto = SSBKK Goku > or = SSJBK Kafla > SSB Vegeta = Toppo = Golden Frieza > Final Form Frieza > Dyspo