Things that grind your gears

[ABED]

Okay, I don't really understand that. How often are you switching back and forth? And why does that seem to only reflect in your assessment of Schemmel's performance?

[8000 Saiyan]

Mcneil's Piccolo is actually good tho

Yes, yes he is.

[VegetaIsSenpai]

I really hate when people don't wanna give Vegeta his props.

Whenever he gets his forms its like he perfects it. He always seems to do it and understand it better, but because Goku has a new form every other day without taking much time on the last people seem to love to undermine his achievement. GIVE SENPAI HIS PROPS PEOPLE HE MIGHT BE AN ARSE AT TIMES, BUT YOU HAVE TO ADMIT HES SMART AND HE WORKS HARD FOR HIS FORMS.

SOMETHING THAT ALSO GRINDS MY GEARS IS THE POWER LEVEL SYSTEM.
People take it like the word of some god when time and time again it has proven to show that it really has its holes and problems. It just doesn't make sense sometimes.

[Soppa Saia People]

Mcneil's Piccolo is actually good tho

So is Sabat's.

I mean the performance itself is fine, but Sabat's voice for him is just his own, and it's a bit distracting, imo.

[Ripper 30]

Yeah I agree with this 100%. People are such fans of Nozawa that it's like they forget Goku is in fact a man.

I'm not saying Goku can't be voiced by a man, Peter Kelamis is a man but his Goku sounds more like Manchild even while angry or doing screams, while Schemmels Goku always sounds like a gruff manly biker when he's angry.

Once again I like both Nozawa and Schemmel but lean a bit more to Nozawa nowadays. I just have a problem adjusting between a few dub voices that are still very different from their Japanese counterpart like Kaio, Boo, and Goku. For shows like Bleach and My Hero Achedemia I don't have this switching issue and can flip back and forth between Japanese and English because there is no huge difference in casting choice (except for maybe Hitsugaiya).

A gruff manly biker? That's how I'd describe Sabat's Vegeta before Kai.

That's the problem with Dragon Ball Dubs, the transition between Sub and Dub voices is super jarring, i can switch audios For almost any anime and its similar voices in both but The English voices of Dragon Ball is what i Would call generic American Cartoon voices, as it seems like its based more on how they look rather than their basing it off their personalities as well.
Sean Schemmel's serious goku is not that good in my opinion, he makes him Sound overly angry and gruff, even the Latin American Dub voice (male Voice) isn't as gruff and growly as Sean's Gokū. Even his laid back voice at times sounds annoying with the giggle he does everytime as if Gokū sniffed Too much laughing gas. MasakoX, Peter Kelamis and obviously Nozawa sound much more natural. Sean's deep tone and Macho cool voice may sound badass but that's not Gokū.

Yeah I agree with this 100%. People are such fans of Nozawa that it's like they forget Goku is in fact a man.

I'm not saying Goku can't be voiced by a man, Peter Kelamis is a man but his Goku sounds more like Manchild even while angry or doing screams, while Schemmels Goku always sounds like a gruff manly biker when he's angry.

Once again I like both Nozawa and Schemmel but lean a bit more to Nozawa nowadays. I just have a problem adjusting between a few dub voices that are still very different from their Japanese counterpart like Kaio, Boo, and Goku. For shows like Bleach and My Hero Achedemia I don't have this switching issue and can flip back and forth between Japanese and English because there is no huge difference in casting choice (except for maybe Hitsugaiya).

A gruff manly biker? That's how I'd describe Sabat's Vegeta before Kai.

it may not be a biker voice but Still it's wayyy tooo deep and gruff for goku that's for Sure, Sean's voice is Tailor Made for voicing macho tough guys or Superheroes but not goku, Someone with a light voice works for Gokū. Sean's speaking tone is too perfect for Gokū.

I mean the performance itself is fine, but Sabat's voice for him is just his own, and it's a bit distracting,

Even if we try listening to His voice from his interview with Geekdom, all we will hear is Piccolo, so when I am watching Kai/Super in Dub all i hear from Piccolo is Chris Sabat not piccolo it just feels inferior to both Furukawa and McNeil too atleast to me.

[8000 Saiyan]

I definitely don't hear any deep voice in Schemmel's Goku, at all. Want a deep Goku voice? Big Green Goku. Sometimes I wonder how people think that Schemmel's voice is deep, but then again there are people who think Milton James sounds like Ryo Horikawa. Because as we all know, Horikawa sounds prissy and old as Vegeta, right? *sarcasm*

[ABED]

i can switch audios For almost any anime

I find this view to be rather silly. Why do they have to be the same?

MasakoX, Peter Kelamis and obviously Nozawa sound much more natural.

Nozawa, yes, Kelamis, no, and MasakoX doesn't count, aside from being completely unnatural.

tooo deep and gruff for goku that's for Sure

Sean's voice isn't that deep. It's masculine, but not super deep and why does Goku have to be high pitched?

This view that the dub voices have to sound like their Japanese counterparts bugs me. There's no rational basis for it. They just have to fit the character.

[8000 Saiyan]

This view that the dub voices have to sound like their Japanese counterparts bugs me. There's no rational basis for it. They just have to fit the character.

Not to mention you'd basically restrict yourself when it comes to casting those characters.

[VegettoEX]

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[Dbzfan94]

This view that the dub voices have to sound like their Japanese counterparts bugs me. There's no rational basis for it. They just have to fit the character.

Not to mention you'd basically restrict yourself when it comes to casting those characters.

Exactly. If you want a dub voice to sound identical to the Japanese, just watch the Japanese.

[dbs fanboy]

Warning, this may sound stupid.

So just half an hour ago, i decided to watch my boy's first debut in spanish (Spain). The episode was fine, pretty enjoyable despite the accelarated voices/music, and then, just when i'm about to witness Black's best moment (when he calls Trunks "saiyajin" in a derrogatory manner while showing his perect evil smirk), the scene is cut and the episode ends.

Like seriously, there's absolutely no reason to cut that harmless scene and yet they did it. I'm starting to think that this kind of shit is 100% being done on purpose.

[Ripper 30]

I definitely don't hear any deep voice in Schemmel's Goku, at all. Want a deep Goku voice? Big Green Goku. Sometimes I wonder how people think that Schemmel's voice is deep, but then again there are people who think Milton James sounds like Ryo Horikawa. Because as we all know, Horikawa sounds prissy and old as Vegeta, right? *sarcasm*

It's not deep Voice by normal standard but FOR Gokū the voice is too deep. Even Lex Lang whom they criticize for deep voice doesn't deepens it or makes it as much Gruff as Sean does.
Sean's tries to focus on badassery, Macho-ness, Manliness and in serious situation it may even sound like a generic Hollywood movie hero and not goku at all but his Goofy part sounds forced when he tries to make the voice as high as possible, Kelamis and Corlett managed to sound natural for both serious and goofy goku and we didn't see any gruff tone that we see in Sean's goku, even Nozawa's voice only deepens to a point but still it feels like goku in ssj3 not the same can be said for Sean. I can't see how Milton James sounds like Ryo Horikawa.

This view that the dub voices have to sound like their Japanese counterparts bugs me. There's no rational basis for it. They just have to fit the character.

But that is not the case with many DB dub voices, they are just not based on Their personalities but copy of Ocean dub voices and Kai and Super dubs are the more refined version of those ocean dub voices. A voice doesn't have to sound like JPN one to sound fitting for a character, example is Ayres Freeza which isn't a copy of Nakao but still gives the same character vibe. Same can't be said for Vale's Trunks the voice is too raspy and that polite tone is at times lost still i would prefer his Kai performance over his Z one.

Sean's voice isn't that deep. It's masculine, but not super deep and why does Goku have to be high pitched?

This view that the dub voices have to sound like their Japanese counterparts bugs me. There's no rational basis for it. They just have to fit the character.

He actually deepens his voice a lot than needed for his serious Gokū to make it sound like a gruff manly hero not goku at all add to that his refined heroic tone of speaking which makes goku sound cool hero but he is not supposed to sound cool. Even without listening to Nozawa's voice, we can tell that someone like goku who is a brain Damaged hick doesn't go well with a gruff manly voice like Sean's as far his character is concerned.

[ABED]

Who's Lex Lang?

Goku can be manly. Where did you get the idea that he can't be those things while also being a manchild?

Kelamis and Corlett managed to sound natural for both serious and goofy goku

Corlett, sure, but not Kelamis. Nothing that came out of that guy's mouth in that role sounded remotely natural. And again, your view comes across as "their voice is high pitched, and Goku sounds high pitched". That may not be the norm, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. The reason Nozawa doesn't deepen it any further is because that's probably the deep end of her vocal range. Any deeper and she would sound too comical.

ANd Goku is a hero. He's not a superhero, but he's a hero.

he is not supposed to sound cool. Even without listening to Nozawa's voice, we can tell that someone like goku who is a brain Damaged hick doesn't go well with a gruff manly voice like Sean's as far his character is concerned.

People can be more than one thing. Goku isn't a brain damaged simpleton. Goku's lack of intelligence isn't the result of him hitting his head. That simply rid him of his Saiyan programming. He's naive because he was raised in the wilderness and he has a one track mind. Sean can convey that. Goku is also a fighter and will get serious when he or his friends are threatened.

[Ripper 30]

Who's Lex Lang?

Goku can be manly. Where did you get the idea that he can't be those things while also being a manchild?

Kelamis and Corlett managed to sound natural for both serious and goofy goku

Corlett, sure, but not Kelamis. Nothing that came out of that guy's mouth in that role sounded remotely natural. And again, your view comes across as "their voice is high pitched, and Goku sounds high pitched". That may not be the norm, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. The reason Nozawa doesn't deepen it any further is because that's probably the deep end of her vocal range. Any deeper and she would sound too comical.

ANd Goku is a hero. He's not a superhero, but he's a hero.

he is not supposed to sound cool. Even without listening to Nozawa's voice, we can tell that someone like goku who is a brain Damaged hick doesn't go well with a gruff manly voice like Sean's as far his character is concerned.

People can be more than one thing. Goku isn't a brain damaged simpleton. Goku's lack of intelligence isn't the result of him hitting his head. That simply rid him of his Saiyan programming. He's naive because he was raised in the wilderness and he has a one track mind. Sean can convey that. Goku is also a fighter and will get serious when he or his friends are threatened.

Lex Lang is the guy who does his Voice in Bang Zoom dub. His voice is deep still he doesn't try to make it sound overly deep in serious situations.
My point isn't about High Pitched or Low pitched when i talk about Kelamis but sounding natural and his goku gives that dumb hick vibe that Sean's Goku can never give. He goes too and fro whereas Kelamis stays consistent with his voice. Sean's Goku sounds too perfect and refined for Gokū, his speech patterns and tone reminds me of Generic Superhero whenever he has to make him Sound serious. Everything about Sean's voice screams Superhero For me that's why in "Hope of the Universe" Speech goes well with his Voice in Z dub.
Sean has improved his chilled goku but as i said his serious goku is way too deep,gruff and angry. He can still sound angry without making his voice as gruff as It is nowdays. Sean may have an advantage over Nozawa for providing a more realistic voice for a muscular Grown man but Nozawa is better at capturing the character that goku is about.

[DragonBallKing]

Anytime I hear the phrase "DBZ is the only anime where dub did it better" or some variation of that. It really grates my cheese at the thought of some snobby weeb talking shit about other anime dubs but DBZ dub is so much better just because they had a manly man voice for Goku.

I feel like some people only choose the Japanese version of anime because it sounds "cooler" and more "badass", not because they care about accuracy or authenticity for the characters.

[Ripper 30]

Anytime I hear the phrase "DBZ is the only anime where dub did it better" or some variation of that. It really grates my cheese at the thought of some snobby weeb talking shit about other anime dubs but DBZ dub is so much better just because they had a manly man voice for Goku.

I feel like some people only choose the Japanese version of anime because it sounds "cooler" and more "badass", not because they care about accuracy or authenticity for the characters.

Yes that's what i hate about these hypocritical anime tards.

[DragonBallKing]

Anytime I hear the phrase "DBZ is the only anime where dub did it better" or some variation of that. It really grates my cheese at the thought of some snobby weeb talking shit about other anime dubs but DBZ dub is so much better just because they had a manly man voice for Goku.

I feel like some people only choose the Japanese version of anime because it sounds "cooler" and more "badass", not because they care about accuracy or authenticity for the characters.

Yes that's what i hate about these hypocritical anime tards.

I've sadly seen this many times on MAL forums asking whether to watch the sub or dub for DBZ.

[Dbzfan94]

Yes that's what i hate about these hypocritical anime tards.

Comments like this grind my gears. "Anime tards." Are you a fucking 12 year old Youtube commenter?

[Ripper 30]

Anytime I hear the phrase "DBZ is the only anime where dub did it better" or some variation of that. It really grates my cheese at the thought of some snobby weeb talking shit about other anime dubs but DBZ dub is so much better just because they had a manly man voice for Goku.

I feel like some people only choose the Japanese version of anime because it sounds "cooler" and more "badass", not because they care about accuracy or authenticity for the characters.

Yes that's what i hate about these hypocritical anime tards.

I've sadly seen this many times on MAL forums asking whether to watch the sub or dub for DBZ.

And many even reccomend the dub and they actually go with dubs after the reccomendations.

Yes that's what i hate about these hypocritical anime tards.

Comments like this grind my gears. "Anime tards." Are you a fucking 12 year old Youtube commenter?

i can not call them Dub elitist or Sub elitist so that was the name i came up with, maybe biased anime fans or something like that.

[DragonBallKing]

Yes that's what i hate about these hypocritical anime tards.

Comments like this grind my gears. "Anime tards." Are you a fucking 12 year old Youtube commenter?

"Anime Tard" is a bit to much, but I'd say it's hypocritical to recommend people to watch every anime subbed over good accurate dubs and then recommend DBZ dubbed instead as some kind of special exception.