Tournament of Power is a major let down

[Yomi]

Calling it the worst arc in the franchise is a bit of a stretch.
I mean, just master Roshi alone has done more in this arc than he's done since the 22nd tournament.

You can go on about 1 sentence spoilers about Kefla and Goku letting his guard down but really now.

Evil Goku
Frieza replacing Buu
Pink Super Saiyan
Caulifla going Blue in episode 100

These are things that get spoilers and people go on tirades then end up liking it anyway.
People need to stop speaking in hyperbole.

[Doctor.]

Ah yes, if only we had all listened to the wise Doctor. and stopped watching the show for an entire year.

Not listening to your doctor's advice is how people get sick, y'know.

[thegamer23]

I feel what's throwing me out of this arc is the fighting overdose, more than the inconsistent power scaling.

We're in the 20th episode in a row of just fighting. For example in the previous major arc, and it was like 50 episodes ago already (Future Trunks arc).
Back than, we had like only 3 or 4 episodes filled of fighting out of 20 episodes, so every battle felt special & unique.

They had layers to it, beacause of the stakes (but should be the same, if not more in the TOP), beacause of the developed carachters involved, beacause of an actual storyline.

That's my problem with tournaments that goes on for that long.
You get tired with it.
U6 tournament is acceptable beacause it last like 12 episodes. But this arc is set to reach 40-50 episodes lenght and will go on till march, entire months of just fighting dull carachters.

Barring a possible plot twist with an Evil Grand Priest or similar, this arc is going to end up in a borefest.

[Michsi]

One of the missed opportunities of the tournament imo was is emotional significance for each battle. You got a whiff of that with Gohan vs Obuni, family man vs. family man, or with Roshi finding his resolve again, but pretty much nothing else. Lack of proper tension isn't just that the characters seem unnaturally unconcerned with the possibility of their own demise, but that fights themselves don't have any emotional weight to them. I know this is DB, and DB doesn't do heavy emotional stuff, but once in a while you see them dip their toes in it and it's with great effect.
Example would've been to give Tien an opponent that, for instance, reminded him of Tao Pai Pai for one reason or another. It would've added a layer to his episode and would've made it more impactful imo.

[namekiansaiyan]

All this arc had to do is give is every member of team Universe 7 a few decent fights while introducing and using the new characters in a good way.

All we get though is Goku while everyone else is lucky to get anything.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I warned you all during the first two episodes that the arc already had a terrible start and it would set precedents for it to be garbage, but none of you listened.

Hate to break this ego of yours but not eveyone thinks this arc is "garbage".

[SansrivaaL]

I warned you all during the first two episodes that the arc already had a terrible start and it would set precedents for it to be garbage, but none of you listened.

I should've listened, other than Roshi's and UI Goku, everything has been literally SHIT, Cauli and Kale just makes it worst.
Oh well, too late.

All this arc had to do is give is every member of team Universe 7 a few decent fights while introducing and using the new characters in a good way.

All we get though is Goku while everyone else is lucky to get anything.

At least Roshi got his well deserved break, he went in like a badass and went down like a boss.

[namekiansaiyan]

I warned you all during the first two episodes that the arc already had a terrible start and it would set precedents for it to be garbage, but none of you listened.

I should've listened, other than Roshi's and UI Goku, everything has been literally SHIT, Cauli and Kale just makes it worst.
Oh well, too late.

All this arc had to do is give is every member of team Universe 7 a few decent fights while introducing and using the new characters in a good way.

All we get though is Goku while everyone else is lucky to get anything.

At least Roshi got his well deserved break, he went in like a badass and went down like a boss.

I don't care that Roshi got treated well since Krillin and especially Tien didn't. It was not that hard to give everyone something memorable in an arc that has the highest potential for it to happen. Toriyama has failed just like he did in the last tournament with what he did to Piccolo and Buu.

[SansrivaaL]

I don't care that Roshi got treated well since Krillin and especially Tien didn't. It was not that hard to give everyone something memorable in an arc that has the highest potential for it to happen. Toriyama has failed just like he did in the last tournament with what he did to Piccolo and Buu.

The point is, at least a character not named Goku/Vegeta got a well deserved treatment, its better than nothing.

[Michsi]

I think some bias is inevitable with an arc that promised to involve everyone, so expectations are high. Would I like to see Piccolo trade blows with Vegeta-level opponents again? You betcha! Will that ever happen again, considering they have no qualms whatsoever making a clear distinction between who's a big -shot now and who isn't? Mmmnyeh....

[namekiansaiyan]

I don't care that Roshi got treated well since Krillin and especially Tien didn't. It was not that hard to give everyone something memorable in an arc that has the highest potential for it to happen. Toriyama has failed just like he did in the last tournament with what he did to Piccolo and Buu.

The point is, at least a character not named Goku/Vegeta got a well deserved treatment, its better than nothing.

My point is that is not good enough. Toriyama should not be randomly choosing who gets to look good when there was 70 fighters in the tournament so everyone should have got something good.

Roshi getting something does not stop the Goku and Vegeta thing and the characters that Toriyama shits on are the ones that don't deserve it at all.

There is no excuse for Toriyama to not give every single member of team Universe 7 in a tournament like this good moments. Unless Krillin and Tien get reinstated then Toriyama has failed to use his characters once again.

I think some bias is inevitable with an arc that promised to involve everyone, so expectations are high. Would I like to see Piccolo trade blows with Vegeta-level opponents again? You betcha! Will that ever happen again, considering they have no qualms whatsoever making a clear distinction between who's a big -shot now and who isn't? Mmmnyeh....

Toriyama made 17 and Frieza that strong so Toriyama can easily make Piccolo that strong.

Making 17 that strong is just an insult. Piccolo fans have been waiting for a long time for something decent and Toriyama instead of using Piccolo who is one of the series' most prominent characters decides to bring back someone who has been living on an island looking after animals and is essentially a nobody in the series and makes him strong.

[Kinokima]

I warned you all during the first two episodes that the arc already had a terrible start and it would set precedents for it to be garbage, but none of you listened.

Hate to break this ego of yours but not eveyone thinks this arc is "garbage".

I certainly don’t think it is garbage. It has many great moments and I am sure will continue to do so. I just think it’s been disappointing in the way it’s utilized it’s cast and has started to drag . Though I admit the news that it may last till March has soured me even more.

But I may feel a bit better when I least hear news of the next arc. Not going to get my hopes up that it will take place on Sadala because that is probably too good to be true.

[Michsi]

Toriyama made 17 and Frieza that strong so Toriyama can easily make Piccolo that strong.

Making 17 that strong is just an insult. Piccolo fans have been waiting for a long time for something decent and Toriyama instead of using Piccolo who is one of the series' most prominent characters decides to bring back someone who has been living on an island looking after animals and is essentially a nobody in the series and makes him strong.

It's not a word I would use. As the author he is allowed to write the story however he wishes to, and if he wanted to make 17 stronger to hype up his return then that was his choice. If he doesn't see Piccolo as one the heavy hitters anymore, that is his choice as well. We might not like it, but it is what it is. He doesn't seem concerned with power scaling anyway, so he might nor care or understand why people attribute importance to power levels.
We already know he doesn't let fan-wishes influence his story, and I believe he stated quite clearly in an interview that the more he gets badgered to do this or that, the more he feels the need to do the opposite.

[SansrivaaL]

My point is that is not good enough. Toriyama should not be randomly choosing who gets to look good when there was 70 fighters in the tournament so everyone should have got something good.

Roshi getting something does not stop the Goku and Vegeta thing and the characters that Toriyama shits on are the ones that don't deserve it at all.

There is no excuse for Toriyama to not give every single member of team Universe 7 in a tournament like this good moments. Unless Krillin and Tien get reinstated then Toriyama has failed to use his characters once again.

You're expecting too much if you think they'll all be handled to whats considered "good" for you, Krillin while not on the same level as Roshi, was still treated good to the point of Frost who's supposed to be on a higher playing field than him had to catch him off guard and ring him out, he even got some outs before he himself got benched.
Piccolo already showed some skills when taking down the red pig, and has saved Gohan from getting blasted and lost an arm, his treatment has already been better than Tien.

Tien has been the only one on U7 that got handled poorly.

[namekiansaiyan]

My point is that is not good enough. Toriyama should not be randomly choosing who gets to look good when there was 70 fighters in the tournament so everyone should have got something good.

Roshi getting something does not stop the Goku and Vegeta thing and the characters that Toriyama shits on are the ones that don't deserve it at all.

There is no excuse for Toriyama to not give every single member of team Universe 7 in a tournament like this good moments. Unless Krillin and Tien get reinstated then Toriyama has failed to use his characters once again.

You're expecting too much if you think they'll all be handled to whats considered "good" for you, Krillin while not on the same level as Roshi, was still treated good to the point of Frost who's supposed to be on a higher playing field than him had to catch him off guard and ring him out, he even got some outs before he himself got benched.
Piccolo already showed some skills when taking down the red pig, and has saved Gohan from getting blasted and lost an arm, his treatment has already been better than Tien.

Tien has been the only one on U7 that got handled poorly.

Piccolo losing and arm is not good treatment. The sniper should have been ended by Piccolo and Gohan while Tien should have been saved for something else.

You have a very low bar for is considered good treatment.

Toriyama made 17 and Frieza that strong so Toriyama can easily make Piccolo that strong.

Making 17 that strong is just an insult. Piccolo fans have been waiting for a long time for something decent and Toriyama instead of using Piccolo who is one of the series' most prominent characters decides to bring back someone who has been living on an island looking after animals and is essentially a nobody in the series and makes him strong.

It's not a word I would use. As the author he is allowed to write the story however he wishes to, and if he wanted to make 17 stronger to hype up his return then that was his choice. If he doesn't see Piccolo as one the heavy hitters anymore, that is his choice as well. We might not like it, but it is what it is. He doesn't seem concerned with power scaling anyway, so he might nor care or understand why people attribute importance to power levels.
We already know he doesn't let fan-wishes influence his story, and I believe he stated quite clearly in an interview that the more he gets badgered to do this or that, the more he feels the need to do the opposite.

I can use whatever word I like as I consider the 17 stuff completely ridiculous.

Piccolo did get stronger but only so he could beat Gohan back into his Ultimate form.

He might not consider him a 'heavy hitter' but he likes to use him and just wait until the next tournament arrives and there is no Roshi or 17 or Frieza but Piccolo will be there again even though Toriyama will use him to show how good everyone else is.

Do you know what category Piccolo does not come under that Gohan, Frieza, Roshi, 17 and Future Trunks do? The category that contains people that are either returning characters or returning fighters. Only people in this character are allowed to look good and get strong in Dragon Ball Super that are not Goku or Vegeta. Piccolo will never be apart of this group so it is very unlikely he will get a massive power up simple as that.

We all know 2 characters who could potentially help Piccolo get stronger somehow and he is fighting them right now.

[Michsi]

He might not consider him a 'heavy hitter' but he likes to use him and just wait until the next tournament arrives and there is no Roshi or 17 or Frieza but Piccolo will be there again even though Toriyama will use him to show how good everyone else is.

Next tournament?! Please no! I would rather see him put to use in a story based arc, with an actual villain.

Do you know what category Piccolo does not come under that Gohan, Frieza, Roshi, 17 and Future Trunks do? The category that contains people that are either returning characters or returning fighters. Only people in this character are allowed to look good and get strong in Dragon Ball Super that are not Goku or Vegeta. Piccolo will never be apart of this group so it is very unlikely he will get a massive power up simple as that.

I did mention this several times, didn't I? New characters get special treatment to justify their presence and that is always related to power.

We all know 2 characters who could potentially help Piccolo get stronger somehow and he is fighting them right now.

I'm still hoping, but the latest summaries don't make it seem that likely.

[namekiansaiyan]

He might not consider him a 'heavy hitter' but he likes to use him and just wait until the next tournament arrives and there is no Roshi or 17 or Frieza but Piccolo will be there again even though Toriyama will use him to show how good everyone else is.

Next tournament?! Please no! I would rather see him put to use in a story based arc, with an actual villain.

Do you know what category Piccolo does not come under that Gohan, Frieza, Roshi, 17 and Future Trunks do? The category that contains people that are either returning characters or returning fighters. Only people in this character are allowed to look good and get strong in Dragon Ball Super that are not Goku or Vegeta. Piccolo will never be apart of this group so it is very unlikely he will get a massive power up simple as that.

I did mention this several times, didn't I? New characters get special treatment to justify their presence and that is always related to power.

We all know 2 characters who could potentially help Piccolo get stronger somehow and he is fighting them right now.

I'm still hoping, but the latest summaries don't make it seem that likely.

There will probably be an arc with a villain before another tournament.

The thing about returning characters is just annoying. It is like the order is

Goku
Vegeta
New and returning characters
Piccolo
Everyone else

The Namekians not being mentioned in the summaries is not a bad thing. The people who think it is bad are the ones assuming that the Universe being destroyed in episode 118 is going to end up being Universe 6.

[sintzu]

Not listening to your doctor's advice is how people get sick, y'know.

After coming off the Trunks arc no one could've predicted it'd be this bad. At the very least we thought everyone would get to fight but so far it's been Goku Time 2.0.

Vegeta isn't that far behind with the BS ass pull skipping SSJ3 and SSJG all the way to SSJB, or Frieza training for 4 months to get to God level.

Vegeta at least trained for a year with someone who trained Beerus, what did those 2 do ? Freeza is a mess, I agree with that.

Seeing the goku black arc in english is far more interesting then the boring TOP

Seeing or doing anything is more interesting than this arc.

[SansrivaaL]

Piccolo losing and arm is not good treatment. The sniper should have been ended by Piccolo and Gohan while Tien should have been saved for something else.

You have a very low bar for is considered good treatment.

Not really a low bar, just that mine is in a reality aspect on what to expect while yours is at a fanfic level.

[namekiansaiyan]

Piccolo losing and arm is not good treatment. The sniper should have been ended by Piccolo and Gohan while Tien should have been saved for something else.

You have a very low bar for is considered good treatment.

Not really a low bar, just that mine is in a reality aspect on what to expect while yours is at a fanfic level.

So expecting them to have 1 good individual fight each is too much to ask for?