"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TekTheNinja]

So basically

-UI vs opponent
-Tired
-Get punched in the face a bunch
-Stamina coming back
-UI vs another opponent
-Tired.

I really hope we don't have that as the cycle for the next while.

It doesn't even makes sense that fighting MORE helps him regain stamina. What would have made more sense is if while Goku rested, the others would protect him until he felt up to fighting again, but nope. We can't go a single episode without Goku in modern Dragon Ball. Maybe Gohan fighting the universe 6 saiyan girls instead? Nope Goku.

By the way what the fuck has Frieza even been doing? He was just standing there throwing around death beams without any rhyme nor reason. Ain't that a waste of ki and also it should make him a clear target to get whalloped?

TBH, I think they're taking routes more common in shows like One Piece and Yuyu Hakusho, where the protagonist is able to improve while fighting, despite suffering serious injuries and running low on stamina.

Maybe I'm just biased towards those shows because they know how to use their cast even if the main character is around unlike DBS where as long as Goku's here, no one will do shit. Well, even though I don't know much about modern One Piece because I stopped watching it long ago when I realized the plot was going nowhere because the show was built to last basically forever.

The wording in both seems like a group of people will go down instead of just 2 like with Universe 10 which would fit Universe 2.

Yeah, and it hope its becomes 100% real, it would mean 18 will be the one taken out by Damon and not Piccolo.

And besides, all of Brianne fights have lasted longer than 1 episode. I could see Toei building her up as a sympathetic character so when she gets erased, we feel bad for her.

Too bad Ribrianne annoys most fans with her exposure since she always feels more like a nuisance and less like a capable fighter. It also doesn't help that she doesn't have much character beyond basic magical girl tropes. So yeah if they wanted a majority of fans to feel bad about her, they fucked up. I mean I don't hate her like many do, but I certainly don't like her either.

Apparently Goku has go appear in every episode or Toei will go bankrupt or something like that.

It is not the fact he is tired which is the most annoying thing but the fact that he gets 4 episodes in a row is.

Trueeeeeee.

[Jigurashi]

I agree Goku should be shelved for some time after 116, but lol, the cast a lot of the time can't do shit even with him not there.

[alakazam^]

We still need to be properly introduced to 3 Universe 2 members and one of them is a Tsufurian so I find it hard to think they're the next ones getting erased. Universe 6 seems more likely but I'd like some more time of Pirina and Saonel. Could Universe 3 be next? Maybe they all gang up on someone and we could have the three machines joining and Paparoni's cane introduced and dealt with in one episode.

[Hawk9211]

We still need to be properly introduced to 3 Universe 2 members and one of them is a Tsufurian so I find it hard to think they're the next ones getting erased. Universe 6 seems more likely but I'd like some more time of Pirina and Saonel. Could Universe 3 be next? Maybe they all gang up on someone and we could have the three machines joining and Paparoni's cane introduced and dealt with in one episode.

I would not put much stock into that since there was a yardrat in u2.btw,why was a yardrat in U2?

[Michsi]

I would not put much stock into that since there was a yardrat in u2.btw,why was a yardrat in U2?

There might be an interesting reason behind why U2 has two members from races that were supposed to be from U6/U7. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that the old man is a survivor from U7 and somehow managed to find a way into another universe with the yardrat's help.
It would actually make their erasure, should it really be U2, even more poignant.

[namekiansaiyan]

We still need to be properly introduced to 3 Universe 2 members and one of them is a Tsufurian so I find it hard to think they're the next ones getting erased. Universe 6 seems more likely but I'd like some more time of Pirina and Saonel. Could Universe 3 be next? Maybe they all gang up on someone and we could have the three machines joining and Paparoni's cane introduced and dealt with in one episode.

I don't think Rabanra, Zirloin, and Zarbuto are suppose to be that good. Zarbuto got blown away before and they just seem like a bunch of cheerleaders.

Episode 117 and 118 would be enough for Universe 2.

I would not put much stock into that since there was a yardrat in u2.btw,why was a yardrat in U2?

There might be an interesting reason behind why U2 has two members from races that were supposed to be from U6/U7. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that the old man is a survivor from U7 and somehow managed to find a way into another universe with the yardrat's help.
It would actually make their erasure, should it really be U2, even more poignant.

I don't think we will get much detail regarding them.

[Michsi]

I would not put much stock into that since there was a yardrat in u2.btw,why was a yardrat in U2?

There might be an interesting reason behind why U2 has two members from races that were supposed to be from U6/U7. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that the old man is a survivor from U7 and somehow managed to find a way into another universe with the yardrat's help.
It would actually make their erasure, should it really be U2, even more poignant.

I don't think we will get much detail regarding them.

It's an odd thing to add and then just skim over

[namekiansaiyan]

There might be an interesting reason behind why U2 has two members from races that were supposed to be from U6/U7. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that the old man is a survivor from U7 and somehow managed to find a way into another universe with the yardrat's help.
It would actually make their erasure, should it really be U2, even more poignant.

I don't think we will get much detail regarding them.

It's an odd thing to add and then just skim over

If thought we would have got something when the Yardrat was in action.

I won't be surprised if the Tuffle just says randomly in episode 117 that he is a Tuffle and that is it.

[Kinokima]

Maybe I'm just biased towards those shows because they know how to use their cast even if the main character is around unlike DBS where as long as Goku's here, no one will do shit. Well, even though I don't know much about modern One Piece because I stopped watching it long ago when I realized the plot was going nowhere because the show was built to last basically forever.

While every show has its strength and weakness I do agree with you many other shounen that I have watched Yu Yu Hakusho, One Piece, Rurouni Kenshin, etc are much better at utilizing their casts. Of course the main & final fight will always come down to Luffy, Yusuke, Kenshin but other characters always get important fights too. It's kind of like a step ladder.

Now Dragon Ball has always seemed to struggle with this (and this struggle has not started with Super). The idea that Goku has to get 95% of fights whereas other characters have to fight and lose makes no sense to me. But that has often been the formula. The other characters are outdone by the big bad and Goku (and in one case Gohan) comes in and saves the day. Even in ROF they manipulated the circumstance so Goku gets the final blow.

Here in the TOP where there should be lots of opportunities for other characters to shine because there are so many fighters, Goku is still getting the majority of fights. Now we know Goku is almost certainly getting Jiren? Why exactly does he get Kefla too? Having Goku be tired and worn out would have been the perfect time to give other characters fights but instead we have multiple episodes with just Goku.

Don't get me wrong I think Goku is a great main character and I enjoy his fights but would it be so bad if other characters also get some good fights, especially when you have so many fighters and opportunities for this. Usually there is only one main villain that has to ultimately go to Goku but now with so many different fighters it feels like they are wasting the opportunity to let others have their moments too.

[Whatever]

There might be an interesting reason behind why U2 has two members from races that were supposed to be from U6/U7. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that the old man is a survivor from U7 and somehow managed to find a way into another universe with the yardrat's help.
It would actually make their erasure, should it really be U2, even more poignant.

I don't think we will get much detail regarding them.

It's an odd thing to add and then just skim over

Its nothing odd.U6 and U7 have the most things in common because they are twin universes,nowhere was it stated that the other non twin universes cannot have any races in common.

[Michsi]

I don't think we will get much detail regarding them.

It's an odd thing to add and then just skim over

Its nothing odd.U6 and U7 have the most things in common because they are twin universes,nowhere was it stated that the other non twin universes cannot have any races in common.

That's just it, wasn't the whole idea behind U7 and U6 that they're "twins" and that's the reason they share the same races? I think we would've been seeing more saiyans had that not been the case. And why would the U7/U6 races we're familiar with be both in U2 and nowhere else.

[CJStriker_CBR]

The wording in both seems like a group of people will go down instead of just 2 like with Universe 10 which would fit Universe 2.

Yeah, and it hope its becomes 100% real, it would mean 18 will be the one taken out by Damon and not Piccolo.

And besides, all of Brianne fights have lasted longer than 1 episode. I could see Toei building her up as a sympathetic character so when she gets erased, we feel bad for her.

Too bad Ribrianne annoys most fans with her exposure since she always feels more like a nuisance and less like a capable fighter. It also doesn't help that she doesn't have much character beyond basic magical girl tropes. So yeah if they wanted a majority of fans to feel bad about her, they fucked up. I mean I don't hate her like many do, but I certainly don't like her either.

Ideally saying that Most Fans don't Like Ribrianne is something I have always said that is really only Relative to the area of Fandom some of us hang around most of the time and while they are indeed good fans to different degree, we have to be honest and say it hardly says that a Major of All Fans out their think this or that. None of us can ever really figure what a Major of Fans are liking or not, only in the groups of fans we hang out with, so I say with all respect that it is Over-Idealizing that ideal that Most Fans Dislike Ribrianne, we really don't truly ever know what a majority of fans think we only know in our groups.

Also I heard Ribrianne is/might be more popular in Japan then in the West, but again that is within one area of Fandom from a Fan on Twitter, so one needs scientific sampling to know for certain, but it shows that if true fandom is diverse for various reasons and for Toei Japan is the Prime Market to Please by what I have heard in the past, not as much the West.

I have meet a decent amount of fans like me that Like Ribrianne and U2, so I don't let the ideal that a Majority of Fans Dislike Ribrianne cause honestly with all respect it is just not the case.

Also, we don't know what 118 will bring, more in-depth writing turned some negative opinions around on Caulifla and Kale, but you still see negatives allot on them, but I think that hardly represents near Majority either. Characters will have Likers and Dislikers all the time, it is how it is, but it is hard to engage how a Vast Majority Feels until scientific and in-depth polling and asking fans of various areas and groups can really tell us.

I still by all accounts think Toei is Serious about Ribrianne and has always been, Anime and Comic Book companies think on the long term on character creation, some dislike on the net hardly is enought to dose the bottom line. Maybe the only thing that will tell us if any character is good or not is by sales and if they all sell well, they will be around for a longtime to come, no matter how many times some groups of fans howl about them, it really means little in the longrun.

Also, Erasing and Death in Dragon Ball is hardly a caring thing, it means lesser then it does in comic books now a days and that is a common Joke Among Us comic book fans!

So even if these universe either U6 or U2 are erased it is very likely they are coming back and will get more develop their after if Toei feels they are good enough to push forward, it all comes down to market and longterm planning.

[perucho1990]

Apparaently Goku has go appear in every episode or Toei will go bankrupt or something like that.

It is not the fact he is tired which is the most annoying thing but the fact that he gets 4 episodes in a row is.

If its rating speaking then it doesnt make sense because some episodes not focusing on Goku did better ratings than the episodes focusing him(Episode 107)

The manga also does the same mistake in focusing on Goku too much, that why you see some people wanting Goku being shafted aside.

[CJStriker_CBR]

I don't think we will get much detail regarding them.

It's an odd thing to add and then just skim over

If thought we would have got something when the Yardrat was in action.

I won't be surprised if the Tuffle just says randomly in episode 117 that he is a Tuffle and that is it.

Well, it is possible that unless The Tuffle has a funny scene in 115, then U2 is safe in staying maybe.

This is because by what Big Chief and others I remember hearing said sometime back is that the writer for 115, Toshio, is only writing 115 and he is Not writing 116-118. Why this might be important is that Toshio said to fans he wrote a funny seen with the Tuffle, so if their is not major scene with the Tuffle in 115, by that theory U2 will be safe past episode 118.

Again I put this as another theory with many other theories I have on why or why not what universe might be going, but it is an interesting one here for U2.

[namekiansaiyan]

It's an odd thing to add and then just skim over

If thought we would have got something when the Yardrat was in action.

I won't be surprised if the Tuffle just says randomly in episode 117 that he is a Tuffle and that is it.

Well, it is possible that unless The Tuffle has a funny scene in 115, then U2 is safe in staying maybe.

This is because by what Big Chief and others I remember hearing said sometime back is that the writer for 115, Toshio, is only writing 115 and he is Not writing 116-118. Why this might be important is that Toshio said to fans he wrote a funny seen with the Tuffle, so if their is not major scene with the Tuffle in 115, by that theory U2 will be safe past episode 118.

Again I put this as another theory with many other theories I have on why or why not what universe might be going, but it is an interesting one here for U2.

I say the scene is very likely in episode 115 as the summary mentioned everyone starts thinking about fusing and I think that is the funny scene with Zarbuto.

[Whatever]

It's an odd thing to add and then just skim over

Its nothing odd.U6 and U7 have the most things in common because they are twin universes,nowhere was it stated that the other non twin universes cannot have any races in common.

That's just it, wasn't the whole idea behind U7 and U6 that they're "twins" and that's the reason they share the same races? I think we would've been seeing more saiyans had that not been the case. And why would the U7/U6 races we're familiar with be both in U2 and nowhere else.

No,they have the most in common because they are twins,that does not mean they cannot have the same races or anything else in common with other universes.
All that means is that they have the most similiarities with their twin universe than they do with any other one.
Just because a specific race happens to exist in more than 2 universes that does not mean anything,saiyans may only exist in u6/u7 or they exist in other universes but are not in the Top because they are weak there.

[pacz360]

We still need to be properly introduced to 3 Universe 2 members and one of them is a Tsufurian so I find it hard to think they're the next ones getting erased. Universe 6 seems more likely but I'd like some more time of Pirina and Saonel. Could Universe 3 be next? Maybe they all gang up on someone and we could have the three machines joining and Paparoni's cane introduced and dealt with in one episode.

U3 isn't going yet Toshio stated he wrote an episode about them and given the info on who writes the episodes its not them
U2 and U6 have a good chance of going but Toshio mentioned a funny scene he wrote about zarbuto and if it happens in 115 then we know who's gone

[HeroR]

While every show has its strength and weakness I do agree with you many other shounen that I have watched Yu Yu Hakusho, One Piece, Rurouni Kenshin, etc are much better at utilizing their casts. Of course the main & final fight will always come down to Luffy, Yusuke, Kenshin but other characters always get important fights too. It's kind of like a step ladder.

Now Dragon Ball has always seemed to struggle with this (and this struggle has not started with Super). The idea that Goku has to get 95% of fights whereas other characters have to fight and lose makes no sense to me. But that has often been the formula. The other characters are outdone by the big bad and Goku (and in one case Gohan) comes in and saves the day. Even in ROF they manipulated the circumstance so Goku gets the final blow.

Here in the TOP where there should be lots of opportunities for other characters to shine because there are so many fighters, Goku is still getting the majority of fights. Now we know Goku is almost certainly getting Jiren? Why exactly does he get Kefla too? Having Goku be tired and worn out would have been the perfect time to give other characters fights but instead we have multiple episodes with just Goku.

Don't get me wrong I think Goku is a great main character and I enjoy his fights but would it be so bad if other characters also get some good fights, especially when you have so many fighters and opportunities for this. Usually there is only one main villain that has to ultimately go to Goku but now with so many different fighters it feels like they are wasting the opportunity to let others have their moments too.

The problem I have with using Yu Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin as examples is that they had a much smaller case than most shounen. One Piece also have been iffy with their main cast lately since they split the crew for two or more years in several story arcs and several had fall behind. Like Nami, Robin, Brook, Chopper, and Sanji hasn't had a major battle in years.

Dragon Ball really doesn't hide the fact that it's about Goku and the cast revolves around him. The changed to focus more on the extend cast only happened in Z with Gohan and even then Goku still was the main focused with the whole 'wait for Goku', 'where's Goku', 'we need Goku', 'Goku will save us'. Dragon Ball also doesn't used the mini boss squad like the anime your named outside of the Red Ribbon Army, Freeza's army, and Babidi's men. The Saiyans are interesting since they were more like a squad of elite mooks in the grand scheme of things and kicked the Z-Fighters' asses.

It also weird that that Resurrection 'F' supposedly had 'manipulated the circumstance so Goku gets the final blow' when Goku even being taking out by Freeza was manipulated since he was downed not by Freeza but by a laser from a mook. If there was no 'manipulated circumstances', Goku would have gotten the final blow regardless.

Goku got Kefla because, to be blunt, no one else can handle her besides Jiren. I guess would could of had a Jiren vs Kefla fight like Jiren vs. Hit, but no one from U7 was going to fight Kefla and not get their butts beating. I can understand people not liking how many episodes Cali, Kale, and now Kefla gets with Goku, but I don't think it's strange that Goku is the one fighting them and not someone else from U7. Most people just want Freeza to fight the U7 Saiyans so they can enjoy Freeza torture them.

[CJStriker_CBR]

If thought we would have got something when the Yardrat was in action.

I won't be surprised if the Tuffle just says randomly in episode 117 that he is a Tuffle and that is it.

Well, it is possible that unless The Tuffle has a funny scene in 115, then U2 is safe in staying maybe.

This is because by what Big Chief and others I remember hearing said sometime back is that the writer for 115, Toshio, is only writing 115 and he is Not writing 116-118. Why this might be important is that Toshio said to fans he wrote a funny seen with the Tuffle, so if their is not major scene with the Tuffle in 115, by that theory U2 will be safe past episode 118.

Again I put this as another theory with many other theories I have on why or why not what universe might be going, but it is an interesting one here for U2.

I say the scene is very likely in episode 115 as the summary mentioned everyone starts thinking about fusing and I think that is the funny scene with Zarbuto.

Indeed their is a decent possibility it is their, but we have to wait and see and if it goes to the degree that seems funny and meaningful to the character, but it can be quick too.

If it does happen it takes that theory off the table, but if it does not then while that theory is still good it still just a theory, one I would take with a grain a salt as well, it is up to the writer if he is being truthful or not, but I always on the side of truthful otherwise they might loss fans, but we have to see.

[Michsi]

No,they have the most in common because they are twins,that does not mean they cannot have the same races or anything else in common with other universes.
All that means is that they have the most similiarities with their twin universe than they do with any other one.
Just because a specific race happens to exist in more than 2 universes that does not mean anything,saiyans may only exist in u6/u7 or they exist in other universes but are not in the Top because they are weak there.

Well, maybe, as long as there hasn't been any official confirmation. I just think it's an odd coincidence that they both happen to be in the same universe and that we see no other familiar races from the rest.