"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[namekiansaiyan]

We still need to be properly introduced to 3 Universe 2 members and one of them is a Tsufurian so I find it hard to think they're the next ones getting erased. Universe 6 seems more likely but I'd like some more time of Pirina and Saonel. Could Universe 3 be next? Maybe they all gang up on someone and we could have the three machines joining and Paparoni's cane introduced and dealt with in one episode.

U3 isn't going yet Toshio stated he wrote an episode about them and given the info on who writes the episodes its not them
U2 and U6 have a good chance of going but Toshio mentioned a funny scene he wrote about zarbuto and if it happens in 115 then we know who's gone

Universe 3 does not have to mean all of Universe 3 and it could just be Catopesra in episode 115.

[Kinokima]

While every show has its strength and weakness I do agree with you many other shounen that I have watched Yu Yu Hakusho, One Piece, Rurouni Kenshin, etc are much better at utilizing their casts. Of course the main & final fight will always come down to Luffy, Yusuke, Kenshin but other characters always get important fights too. It's kind of like a step ladder.

Now Dragon Ball has always seemed to struggle with this (and this struggle has not started with Super). The idea that Goku has to get 95% of fights whereas other characters have to fight and lose makes no sense to me. But that has often been the formula. The other characters are outdone by the big bad and Goku (and in one case Gohan) comes in and saves the day. Even in ROF they manipulated the circumstance so Goku gets the final blow.

Here in the TOP where there should be lots of opportunities for other characters to shine because there are so many fighters, Goku is still getting the majority of fights. Now we know Goku is almost certainly getting Jiren? Why exactly does he get Kefla too? Having Goku be tired and worn out would have been the perfect time to give other characters fights but instead we have multiple episodes with just Goku.

Don't get me wrong I think Goku is a great main character and I enjoy his fights but would it be so bad if other characters also get some good fights, especially when you have so many fighters and opportunities for this. Usually there is only one main villain that has to ultimately go to Goku but now with so many different fighters it feels like they are wasting the opportunity to let others have their moments too.

The problem I have with using Yu Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin as examples is that they had a much smaller case than most shounen. One Piece also have been iffy with their main cast lately since they split the crew for two or more years in several story arcs and several had fall behind. Like Nami, Robin, Brook, Chopper, and Sanji hasn't had a major battle in years.

Dragon Ball really doesn't hide the fact that it's about Goku and the cast revolves around him. The changed to focus more on the extend cast only happened in Z with Gohan and even then Goku still was the main focused with the whole 'wait for Goku', 'where's Goku', 'we need Goku', 'Goku will save us'. Dragon Ball also doesn't used the mini boss squad like the anime your named outside of the Red Ribbon Army, Freeza's army, and Babidi's men. The Saiyans are interesting since they were more like a squad of elite mooks in the grand scheme of things and kicked the Z-Fighters' asses.

It also weird that that Resurrection 'F' supposedly had 'manipulated the circumstance so Goku gets the final blow' when Goku even being taking out by Freeza was manipulated since he was downed not by Freeza but by a laser from a mook. If there was no 'manipulated circumstances', Goku would have gotten the final blow regardless.

Goku got Kefla because, to be blunt, no one else can handle her besides Jiren. I guess would could of had a Jiren vs Kefla fight like Jiren vs. Hit, but no one from U7 was going to fight Kefla and not get their butts beating. I can understand people not liking how many episodes Cali, Kale, and now Kefla gets with Goku, but I don't think it's strange that Goku is the one fighting them and not someone else from U7. Most people just want Freeza to fight the U7 Saiyans so they can enjoy Freeza torture them.

Well admittedly I haven't watched/read One Piece in years but at least used to be good at using its whole cast. But even with Dragon Ball having a larger cast you would think at least some characters would get to have good fights besides Goku. And again how many fighters are in this arc?

As for characters like Kefla being too strong for other fighters, well they are only as strong as the writers make them. The writers made that character too strong for other characters to fight so once again it has to come down to just Goku.

Even before Kale and Caulifla fused it would have been interesting to see maybe other characters get a shot on her, but nope just Goku.

And no I would not have wanted to see a Jiren vs Kefla fight either. But I would like to see the other U7 characters besides Goku get some interesting fights in an arc called a tournament of power that started out with 80 fighters. There really shouldn't be a reason why this is not possible. Either the other fighters are too weak for us to care about those fights or they are too strong that only Goku can fight them. There is absolutely no balance.

[pacz360]

We still need to be properly introduced to 3 Universe 2 members and one of them is a Tsufurian so I find it hard to think they're the next ones getting erased. Universe 6 seems more likely but I'd like some more time of Pirina and Saonel. Could Universe 3 be next? Maybe they all gang up on someone and we could have the three machines joining and Paparoni's cane introduced and dealt with in one episode.

U3 isn't going yet Toshio stated he wrote an episode about them and given the info on who writes the episodes its not them
U2 and U6 have a good chance of going but Toshio mentioned a funny scene he wrote about zarbuto and if it happens in 115 then we know who's gone

Universe 3 does not have to mean all of Universe 3 and it could just be Catopesra in episode 115.

Nah if it was he could've said a scene instead of an episode
Caulifla and kale he said he wrote an episode about them and he likes it the best and guess what episode 115 is about them as a fusion

[HeroR]

Well admittedly I haven't watched/read One Piece in years but at least used to be good at using its whole cast. But even with Dragon Ball having a larger cast you would think at least some characters would get to have good fights besides Goku. And again how many fighters are in this arc?

As for characters like Kefla being too strong for other fighters, well they are only as strong as the writers make them. The writers made that character too strong for other characters to fight so once again it has to come down to just Goku.

Even before Kale and Caulifla fused it would have been interesting to see maybe other characters get a shot on her, but nope just Goku.

And no I would not have wanted to see a Jiren vs Kefla fight either. But I would like to see the other U7 characters besides Goku get some interesting fights in an arc called a tournament of power that started out with 80 fighters. There really shouldn't be a reason why this is not possible. Either the other fighters are too weak for us to care about those fights or they are too strong that only Goku can fight them. There is absolutely no balance.

Dragon Ball can't used that giant cast the same way as One Piece since it doesn't used the mini squad. Like the reason why even the weakest member of the Straw Hats can be useful in battle is because every crew the Straw Hats fight has fodder or a gimmick fighter not known for their strength. And some time Oda makes stronger characters who should total destroy the weaker Straw Hat member morons even if they were highly competent before that moment or give them a contrive weakness that happens to match perfectly with the Straw Hat they're fighting. Most of all, One Piece is an adventure story so even if the Straw Hats don't fight they have something to do to move the story, while Dragon Ball moved away from that model to be because a fight series and doesn't have the deep plot or many plot threads that One Piece has.

Most of all, Dragon Ball isn't really an ensemble cast anime. The only constant character is Goku, and Vegeta lately, and everyone else revolves around him. It isn't like One Piece where Luffy maybe the main character, but the Straw Hats as a whole are considered main characters. The same with the other anime you name. Dragon Ball is more closer to Fist of the North Star in that regard or even My Hero Academy where Deku is the only real main character while the rest of the cast changes depending on the story arc.

The 'only as strong as the writers make them' is so lousy since that holds true for everything since this is fiction and fiction runs on 'plot'. This is like the 'everyone is special, so no one is' argument. We can say the same thing about Freeza in the Namek Saga and how he was too strong for others besides Super Saiyan Goku to deal with.

I find it kind of ironic that you wanted U7 to have more scene time in something called the 'Tournament of Power' since by that logic, about a third of the members on the U7 shouldn't be on the team since they weren't chosen for their power.

There is no 'balance' as you put it because there is a huge power gap between Goku and Roshi. So unless you bring everyone in U7 within Goku's power range, you won't have a 'balance' since someone needs to be fodder for Roshi to fight and someone needs to be able to make U7 look like fodder to challenge Goku.

[Kinokima]

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There is no 'balance' as you put it because there is a huge power gap between Goku and Roshi. So unless you bring everyone in U7 within Goku's power range, you won't have a 'balance' since someone needs to be fodder for Roshi to fight and someone needs to be able to make U7 look like fodder to challenge Goku.

But using Goku and Roshi as your examples is kind of poor. Its going from the lowest totem pole to the highest. But there is a middle.

What about Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan, Android 17, Piccolo, Android 18. These characters are not exactly weak. Why can't they get good fights too? Again there were 80 fighters I don't really understand the argument that its only possible to give Goku good fights that last multipe episodes.

At least in the Freeza arc, Goku was actually not there for a large part of the arc so while Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta (well Vegeta got a few fights) didn't accomplish much they still did a lot in that arc. I don't see it as a good comparison to this arc. And in that arc Freeza was the main villain so of course Goku would get to fight him. I don't really expect differently. It's just here you have a lot of fighters but there aren't barely any interesting fights except Goku's? (especially since the special)! I don't see how the plot would be hurt if other characters god forbid got to do something too.

At this point they should of just had less fighters and made this arc shorter if this is how they were going to use such a large cast.

Edit: And speaking of Roshi he is an example of a character that was handled well because he did get some great moments before he was eliminated.

[Noah]

While every show has its strength and weakness I do agree with you many other shounen that I have watched Yu Yu Hakusho, One Piece, Rurouni Kenshin, etc are much better at utilizing their casts. Of course the main & final fight will always come down to Luffy, Yusuke, Kenshin but other characters always get important fights too. It's kind of like a step ladder.

One Piece? Nah I would include Yu-Gi-Oh! DM on that list instead. Though people think the show it's just Yugi we had a good use of characters through the first five arcs.

[HeroR]

But using Goku and Roshi as your examples is kind of poor. Its going from the lowest totem pole to the highest. But there is a middle.

What about Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan, Android 17, Piccolo, Android 18. These characters are not exactly weak. Why can't they get good fights too? Again there were 80 fighters I don't really understand the argument that its only possible to give Goku good fights that last multipe episodes.

At least in the Freeza arc, Goku was actually not there for a large part of the arc so while Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta (well Vegeta got a few fights) didn't accomplish much they still did a lot in that arc. I don't see it as a good comparison to this arc. And in that arc Freeza was the main villain so of course Goku would get to fight him. I don't really expect differently. It's just here you have a lot of fighters but there aren't barely any interesting fights except Goku's? (especially since the special)! I don't see how the plot would be hurt if other characters god forbid got to do something too.

At this point they should of just had less fighters and made this arc shorter if this is how they were going to use such a large cast,

I used Roshi because as I wrote, "someone needs to be fodder for Roshi to fight".

Vegeta and Freeza are more or less Goku's equal. Gohan and 17 are about the same power range, but are still weaker than the top three and there is a gain drop from them to Piccolo and 18. If someone is equal to Piccolo and 18, then Gohan and 17 can stomp them. If someone is equal to Gohan and 17, then Goku, Vegeta, and Golden Freeza can stomp them. Which is why I mean by balance.

That is because the Namek Saga until the fight with Ginyu and Freeza was largely an adventure/survival story. Gohan and Krillin were also kept out of any major fights thanks to Vegeta who was his own side at the time. The other Z-Fighters may still good fights, but they would be seen as fodder outside of Vegeta and Freeza.

They have used the large cast, just not in the way some wanted it.

[alakazam^]

I would not put much stock into that since there was a yardrat in u2.btw,why was a yardrat in U2?

Yeah, I know but I'd think there'd be a reason for one to specifically be a Tsufurian. I mean, we spotted the Yardratian right away and we could easily headcannon him having a perfected Shunkan Idou that enables him to travel to other Universes but why a member from a race we're supposed to "know" and is heavily linked to the Saiyajin in one Universe? It's not like we know how one looks like so they could easily just not mention anything about him (and not making him a Tsufurian, for that matter) and we wouldn't be losing anything. If they don't do anything with him and have him explain why they're both in Universe 2, my guess would be they are Toyotarou's characters to have a role in the manga.

That's just it, wasn't the whole idea behind U7 and U6 that they're "twins" and that's the reason they share the same races? I think we would've been seeing more saiyans had that not been the case. And why would the U7/U6 races we're familiar with be both in U2 and nowhere else.

Exactly, there must be a reason. It's the same logic I apply to Pirina and Saonel since they are supposed to be two (why not just one?) and were perfectly concealed before the tournament began.

No,they have the most in common because they are twins,that does not mean they cannot have the same races or anything else in common with other universes.
All that means is that they have the most similiarities with their twin universe than they do with any other one.
Just because a specific race happens to exist in more than 2 universes that does not mean anything,saiyans may only exist in u6/u7 or they exist in other universes but are not in the Top because they are weak there.

That's not what one would think going by Whis' explanation of the Universe system (even though the other Universes seem to go for the "counterpart" route), though. How likely would it be for some of the other Universes not including a Saiyajin, Namekkian, their version of Freeza, a Metalman, etc etc if they had one at their disposal?

[Kinokima]

Vegeta and Freeza are more or less Goku's equal. Gohan and 17 are about the same power range, but are still weaker than the top three and there is a gain drop from them to Piccolo and 18. If someone is equal to Piccolo and 18, then Gohan and 17 can stomp them. If someone is equal to Gohan and 17, then Goku, Vegeta, and Golden Freeza can stomp them. Which is why I mean by balance.

Well then why can't Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan, 17, Piccolo, 18, etc get challenging fights too. Lets just say that. I am not saying Jiren level but compelling at their level. Surely with this many fighters

I know there is possibly Vegeta/Toppo and Gohan + Piccolo/Namekians if those fights actually take place to the end (and I am not convinced they will). So far we don't even get to experience those fights again making it seem like the other characters fights are not important at all.

That is because the Namek Saga until the fight with Ginyu and Freeza was largely an adventure/survival story. Gohan and Krillin were also kept out of any major fights thanks to Vegeta who was his own side at the time. The other Z-Fighters may still good fights, but they would be seen as fodder outside of Vegeta and Freeza.

But my point was Gohan and Krillin still got to do stuff. They weren't missing for episode on end. I don't think every character needs to appear in every episode of the TOP but the way some characters barely show up (or just show up for a minute cut) it is very frustrating. And it is gotten worse since the special. At least the Androids finally appear to be doing something relevant after so many episodes.

They have used the large cast, just not in the way some wanted it.

Personally it feels more like they are wasting their large cast.

[namekiansaiyan]

But using Goku and Roshi as your examples is kind of poor. Its going from the lowest totem pole to the highest. But there is a middle.

What about Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan, Android 17, Piccolo, Android 18. These characters are not exactly weak. Why can't they get good fights too? Again there were 80 fighters I don't really understand the argument that its only possible to give Goku good fights that last multipe episodes.

At least in the Freeza arc, Goku was actually not there for a large part of the arc so while Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta (well Vegeta got a few fights) didn't accomplish much they still did a lot in that arc. I don't see it as a good comparison to this arc. And in that arc Freeza was the main villain so of course Goku would get to fight him. I don't really expect differently. It's just here you have a lot of fighters but there aren't barely any interesting fights except Goku's? (especially since the special)! I don't see how the plot would be hurt if other characters god forbid got to do something too.

At this point they should of just had less fighters and made this arc shorter if this is how they were going to use such a large cast,

I used Roshi because as I wrote, "someone needs to be fodder for Roshi to fight".

Vegeta and Freeza are more or less Goku's equal. Gohan and 17 are about the same power range, but are still weaker than the top three and there is a gain drop from them to Piccolo and 18. If someone is equal to Piccolo and 18, then Gohan and 17 can stomp them. If someone is equal to Gohan and 17, then Goku, Vegeta, and Golden Freeza can stomp them. Which is why I mean by balance.

That is because the Namek Saga until the fight with Ginyu and Freeza was largely an adventure/survival story. Gohan and Krillin were also kept out of any major fights thanks to Vegeta who was his own side at the time. The other Z-Fighters may still good fights, but they would be seen as fodder outside of Vegeta and Freeza.

They have used the large cast, just not in the way some wanted it.

Goku is above Frieza and Vegeta now so can call them 2 'fodder' as well. Everyone is 'fodder' apart from Goku, Jiren based on the way most people use the word.

Toriyama should have fighters go against people their own level simple as that.

[Kagari]

Goku is above Frieza and Vegeta now so can call them 2 'fodder' as well. Everyone is 'fodder' apart from Goku, Jiren based on the way most people use the word.

Toriyama should have fighters go against people their own level simple as that.

They are, they're just backlogged to short scenes and not the main event. Which is the problem.

[namekiansaiyan]

Goku is above Frieza and Vegeta now so can call them 2 'fodder' as well. Everyone is 'fodder' apart from Goku, Jiren based on the way most people use the word.

Toriyama should have fighters go against people their own level simple as that.

They are, they're just backlogged to short scenes and not the main event. Which is the problem.

It definitely is a problem. Many of us just want to watch the cast have decent fights that are memorable even if they are not going against people like Jiren. They can even go against people stronger than them if play it like they did with Roshi.

Universe 9 really should not have not faced Goku and Vegeta. Half of Vegetas eliminations have also been against the weakest in the whole tournament.

Another thing is that some fighters just went way too quickly like the 7 defeated Pride troopers which didn't allow for a proper fight.

[HeroR]

Vegeta and Freeza are more or less Goku's equal. Gohan and 17 are about the same power range, but are still weaker than the top three and there is a gain drop from them to Piccolo and 18. If someone is equal to Piccolo and 18, then Gohan and 17 can stomp them. If someone is equal to Gohan and 17, then Goku, Vegeta, and Golden Freeza can stomp them. Which is why I mean by balance.

Well then why can't Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan, 17, Piccolo, 18, etc get challenging fights too. Lets just say that. I am not saying Jiren level but compelling at their level. Surely with this many fighters

I know there is possibly Vegeta/Toppo and Gohan + Piccolo/Namekians if those fights actually take place to the end (and I am not convinced they will). So far we don't even get to experience those fights again making it seem like the other characters fights are not important at all.

That is because the Namek Saga until the fight with Ginyu and Freeza was largely an adventure/survival story. Gohan and Krillin were also kept out of any major fights thanks to Vegeta who was his own side at the time. The other Z-Fighters may still good fights, but they would be seen as fodder outside of Vegeta and Freeza.

But my point was Gohan and Krillin still got to do stuff. They weren't missing for episode on end. I don't think every character needs to appear in every episode of the TOP but the way some characters barely show up (or just show up for a minute cut) it is very frustrating. And it is gotten worse since the TOP. At least the Androids finally appear to be doing something relevant after so many episodes.

They have used the large cast, just not in the way some wanted it.

Personally it feels more like they are wasting their large cast.

Vegeta is currently fighting Toppo, he also got the most knockouts, and Freeza is purposely staying out of any tough fights and picking off weaker people. Gohan is tied to the joint with Piccolo, which is why he isn't fighting any major players yet. 17 is the only odd one out along wth 18.

Gohan and Krillin got to do stuff since there was more to do on Namek besides fight. If Namek was all about fighting, Gohan and Krillin would have been dead before Goku got there. Krillin and Gohan were also the primary characters of the Namek Saga while here, they're just part of the cast.

I feel the only characters being wasted are the androids since they disappeared for months, and Gohan and Piccolo are wasted on each other.

Goku is above Frieza and Vegeta now so can call them 2 'fodder' as well. Everyone is 'fodder' apart from Goku, Jiren based on the way most people use the word.

Toriyama should have fighters go against people their own level simple as that.

Yes and no. Goku was the strongest before he fought Jiren. Now he has stamina issues which keeps him from using his full power. And everyone is fodder to Jiren. They're just lucky that Jiren is a lazy SOB who makes Namek Saga Freeza look proactive.

It definitely is a problem. Many of us just want to watch the cast have decent fights that are memorable even if they are not going against people like Jiren. They can even go against people stronger than them if play it like they did with Roshi.

Universe 9 really should not have not faced Goku and Vegeta. Half of Vegetas eliminations have also been against the weakest in the whole tournament.

Another thing is that some fighters just went way too quickly like the 7 defeated Pride troopers which didn't allow for a proper fight.

The problem with using Roshi is that people complained about U4 having fodder fighters since Roshi took out three of them and people already complained about 'fodder vs fodder' feeling like 'filler'. I mean, people called Gohan and Piccolo vs. the U6 Namekians 'filler' since Goku can just go Ultimate and wiped them all out.

[Kinokima]

Vegeta is currently fighting Toppo, he also got the most knockouts, and Freeza is purposely staying out of any tough fights and picking off weaker people. Gohan is tied to the joint with Piccolo, which is why he isn't fighting any major players yet. 17 is the only odd one out along wth 18.

In the last episode Toppo knocked Vegeta away when he got distracted not even sure if that fight is still going on. And even if it is we aren't seeing it happening (one minute cuts do not count) so it might as well not be happening. Maybe eventually they will get back to it but we are already have titles up to episode 119 and no mention of it. Same issue with Gohan and Piccolo's fight with the Namekians.

It doesn't matter if fights are happening off screen if we don't get to experience them well they might as well not be happening at all. It's not exactly satisfying. And yeah Vegeta may be treated better than other U7 characters (I am not denying that) but he's mostly eliminated characters way beneath him that offered no challenge.

[HeroR]

In the last episode Toppo knocked Vegeta away when he got distracted not even sure if that fight is still going on. And even if it is we aren't seeing it happening (one minute cuts do not count) so it might as well not be happening. Maybe eventually they will get back to it but we are already have titles up to episode 119 and no mention of it. Same issue with Gohan and Piccolo's fight with the Namekians.

It doesn't matter if fights are happening off screen if we don't get to experience them well they might as well not be happening at all. It's not exactly satisfying. And yeah Vegeta may be treated better than certain characters (I am not denying that) but he's mostly eliminated characters way beneath him that offered no challenge.

Why wouldn't the fight still be going on in the background? I mean, people said this about 113 and then we saw that yes, the fight was still happening in 114. Just because the summaries don't mention it doesn't mean it isn't happening since the summaries don't reveal everything. I mean, no summaries before 112 mentioned Gohan and Piccolo fighting the U6 Namekians or Vegeta fighting Toppo.

The fights are not really happening off scene, they're just not the primary focus and most people would be well below Vegeta since only a handful of people are Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan level. If anything, the lower people should be thankful that people like Vegeta are more docile then they should be and didn't wiped them within the first two minutes.

[namekiansaiyan]

Vegeta is currently fighting Toppo, he also got the most knockouts, and Freeza is purposely staying out of any tough fights and picking off weaker people. Gohan is tied to the joint with Piccolo, which is why he isn't fighting any major players yet. 17 is the only odd one out along wth 18.

Gohan and Krillin got to do stuff since there was more to do on Namek besides fight. If Namek was all about fighting, Gohan and Krillin would have been dead before Goku got there. Krillin and Gohan were also the primary characters of the Namek Saga while here, they're just part of the cast.

I feel the only characters being wasted are the androids since they disappeared for months, and Gohan and Piccolo are wasted on each other.

Many of Vegeta's eliminations are against the weakest in the tournament and are exactly considered anything special at all. Vegeta fans are not going to be happy with his match against Toppo going on for a long time in the backgrounds which means Toppo could be it for Vegeta.
Piccolo and Gohan are in the same fighting situation right now.

It just seems like they are struggling to find anything to for the Androids to do even though there are fighters still to be taken out. Why do 17 and 18 have to wait for Universe 2 to attack Goku before they fight them?

[Olympian]

Maybe I'm just biased towards those shows because they know how to use their cast even if the main character is around unlike DBS where as long as Goku's here, no one will do shit. Well, even though I don't know much about modern One Piece because I stopped watching it long ago when I realized the plot was going nowhere because the show was built to last basically forever.

While every show has its strength and weakness I do agree with you many other shounen that I have watched Yu Yu Hakusho, One Piece, Rurouni Kenshin, etc are much better at utilizing their casts. Of course the main & final fight will always come down to Luffy, Yusuke, Kenshin but other characters always get important fights too. It's kind of like a step ladder.

Now Dragon Ball has always seemed to struggle with this (and this struggle has not started with Super). The idea that Goku has to get 95% of fights whereas other characters have to fight and lose makes no sense to me. But that has often been the formula. The other characters are outdone by the big bad and Goku (and in one case Gohan) comes in and saves the day. Even in ROF they manipulated the circumstance so Goku gets the final blow.

Here in the TOP where there should be lots of opportunities for other characters to shine because there are so many fighters, Goku is still getting the majority of fights. Now we know Goku is almost certainly getting Jiren? Why exactly does he get Kefla too? Having Goku be tired and worn out would have been the perfect time to give other characters fights but instead we have multiple episodes with just Goku.

Don't get me wrong I think Goku is a great main character and I enjoy his fights but would it be so bad if other characters also get some good fights, especially when you have so many fighters and opportunities for this. Usually there is only one main villain that has to ultimately go to Goku but now with so many different fighters it feels like they are wasting the opportunity to let others have their moments too.

This.

There`s nothing really hard at having the rest of the cast dealing with other characters. Do we really need or require Freeza, Vegeta or Goku to tackle everyone? No. We already know most of the TOP figthers aren`t even at that level.

No, this is basically their marketing choice and has been for awhile. There is something like Roshi and Kuririn moments here and there but it happens way too low a percentage. Have #17 and #18 actually done anything of note yet? If they have I can`t even recall.

[Olympian]

Vegeta is currently fighting Toppo, he also got the most knockouts, and Freeza is purposely staying out of any tough fights and picking off weaker people. Gohan is tied to the joint with Piccolo, which is why he isn't fighting any major players yet. 17 is the only odd one out along wth 18.

Gohan and Krillin got to do stuff since there was more to do on Namek besides fight. If Namek was all about fighting, Gohan and Krillin would have been dead before Goku got there. Krillin and Gohan were also the primary characters of the Namek Saga while here, they're just part of the cast.

I feel the only characters being wasted are the androids since they disappeared for months, and Gohan and Piccolo are wasted on each other.

Many of Vegeta's eliminations are against the weakest in the tournament and are exactly considered anything special at all. Vegeta fans are not going to be happy with his match against Toppo going on for a long time in the backgrounds which means Toppo could be it for Vegeta.
Piccolo and Gohan are in the same fighting situation right now.

It just seems like they are struggling to find anything to for the Androids to do even though there are fighters still to be taken out. Why do 17 and 18 have to wait for Universe 2 to attack Goku before they fight them?

Vegita taking out weaker guns than himself is a good example. Use those to showcase characters who don`t afford the luxury of main character status or asspulls.

[namekiansaiyan]

We know that

Goku is going to face Kefla and Jiren
Vegeta is facing Toppo
Piccolo and Gohan are facing Saonel and Pilina
17 and 18 are facing Universe 2

So who is going to face Universe 3, Shantsa, Dyspo and the 2 Bugs?

[Big Chief]

The wording in both seems like a group of people will go down instead of just 2 like with Universe 10 which would fit Universe 2.

Yeah, and it hope its becomes 100% real, it would mean 18 will be the one taken out by Damon and not Piccolo.

And besides, all of Brianne fights have lasted longer than 1 episode. I could see Toei building her up as a sympathetic character so when she gets erased, we feel bad for her.

How does that mean 18 will be the one eliminated by Damon? If U2 is erased I definitely see them taking out one of the Androida with them.

I don't think it will be U2. There is almost nothing left for U6 now: Kefla is going up against Ultra Instinct Goku, and there is no way they will have him unlock the form and use up all of his stamina without eliminating her, or else it'd be a complete repeat of his fight with Jiren.

My guess is that the namekians will see Kefla eliminated, become desperate, and in either the end of 116 or sometime in 117, they will fuse. Gohan an Piccolo will then eliminate them in 118.