"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Dragon Ball is built on nonsense.

Sure, but I'm mainly talking that Gogeta will never be a part of Super since the Potara retcon.

What does the Potara retcon have to do with the Fusion Dance? It still exists and can still produce an immensely powerful fused character.

[Noah]

What does the Potara retcon have to do with the Fusion Dance? It still exists and can still produce an immensely powerful fused character.

1. The Potara is not eternal and it's a easier fusion method.
2. Zen-Oh allows it and Shin can lend his ones
3. It produces a more powerful fused character than the Fusion Dance
4. Goku and Vegeta did it before, there's no reason for them to do otherwise.

[Grimlock]

I have a feeling that Goku and Vegeta will fuse to become Gogeta. And Gogeta will use Ultra Instinct. And through that experience, Vegeta will also attain Ultra Instinct.

Your first line is the heaven, everything else is just a bonus from gods.

[Lord Beerus]

What does the Potara retcon have to do with the Fusion Dance? It still exists and can still produce an immensely powerful fused character.

1. The Potara is not eternal and it's a easier fusion method.
2. Zen-Oh allows it and Shin can lend his ones
3. It produces a more powerful fused character than the Fusion Dance
4. Goku and Vegeta did it before, there's no reason for them to do otherwise.

- They only way you can even use the Potara earrings to begin is if you're on good relations with the literal God of your universe. And privilege barely a handful in any given universe will have. And even then, they can still tell you "Fuck off" if you want to use the earrings. Plus, it's piss easy to break them.
- And? Nothing states that the Fusion Dance is forbidden or Zeno wouldn't allow it
- True. But the Fusion Dance still produces an immensely powerful character
- Goku and Vegeta haven't used the Fusion Dance in the main story.

[dbgtFO]

It would be cool if Vegeta mastered the offensive side of UI and worked together with Goku to beat Jiren. It really feels like Toriyama planned this arc out when he wrote RoF.

I don't think so, Toriyama is not know for thinking ahead in the future of his story, but man that would be a epic conclusion. Goku and Vegeta working together using the "move without thinking" technique Whis told them before? I can't describe how awesome it would be.

Toriyama might not be know for thinking ahead, but he has claimed to have ideas for later arcs without actually setting it in stone, until he got there(see Namek/Freeza arc). He could have already had an idea about what it was supposed to look like back then and how it was supposed to work, but only now(well technically last year of course!) got around to putting it to paper.

KA KA KA KACHI DAZE I can't get this tune out of my head, HELP!

I had the same problem on it's debut, just listen to it a million times on repeat until your ears bleed, that should do the trick..

What are you guys talkinOH wait Ultra Instinct Goku's theme song, right?
Eh, I don't like the singer growling, cringy to me, reminds me of the Ginyu Tokusentai song from Kai.

[emperior]

It would be cool if Vegeta mastered the offensive side of UI and worked together with Goku to beat Jiren. It really feels like Toriyama planned this arc out when he wrote RoF.

I don't think so, Toriyama is not know for thinking ahead in the future of his story, but man that would be a epic conclusion. Goku and Vegeta working together using the "move without thinking" technique Whis told them before? I can't describe how awesome it would be.

Toriyama might not be know for thinking ahead, but he has claimed to have ideas for later arcs without actually setting it in stone, until he got there(see Namek/Freeza arc). He could have already had an idea about what it was supposed to look like back then and how it was supposed to work, but only now(well technically last year of course!) got around to putting it to paper.

I also believe it's the case. Toriyama is also known for expanding concepts introduced earlier so that it seems like he had a plan all along, while had none (he admitted it himself). But this time, he obviously wrote some things to explore later. In this case, the Mastery of Self Movement was obviously something he planned to give to Goku and Vegeta later on, and he probably also planned to have Goku and Vegeta take out someone much stronger through teamwork.
I'm also quite sure we will visit Planet Sadala, which again is something he probably mentioned without actually having much planned. One thing I'm quite sure of is that Toriyama, as it was the case with Freeza, has something big planned for Super regarding the Gods.

[Noah]

- They only way you can even use the Potara earrings to begin is if you're on good relations with the literal God of your universe. And privilege barely a handful in any given universe will have. And even then, they can still tell you "Fuck off" if you want to use the earrings. Plus, it's piss easy to break them.
- And? Nothing states that the Fusion Dance is forbidden or Zeno wouldn't allow it
- True. But the Fusion Dance still produces an immensely powerful character
- Goku and Vegeta haven't used the Fusion Dance in the main story.

- So you're telling me that Shin would say "Fuck off" to Goku and Vegeta intending to fuse in order to their universe survival?
- Not saying that Zen-Oh would forbid, but just complementing it's easier to fuse putting earrings than performing a dance perfectly.
- But, if they can produce a character even stronger than the Fusion Dance, why even bother?
- True and they could have done against Merged Zamasu it was the perfect timing for that, but then Vegetto came instead and defined the Potara fusion is a better method since it's stronger and not eternal anymore.

[GodKaio-Ken]

- They only way you can even use the Potara earrings to begin is if you're on good relations with the literal God of your universe. And privilege barely a handful in any given universe will have. And even then, they can still tell you "Fuck off" if you want to use the earrings. Plus, it's piss easy to break them.
- And? Nothing states that the Fusion Dance is forbidden or Zeno wouldn't allow it
- True. But the Fusion Dance still produces an immensely powerful character
- Goku and Vegeta haven't used the Fusion Dance in the main story.

- So you're telling me that Shin would say "Fuck off" to Goku and Vegeta intending to fuse in order to their universe survival?
- Not saying that Zen-Oh would forbid, but just complementing it's easier to fuse putting earrings than performing a dance perfectly.
- But, if they can produce a character even stronger than the Fusion Dance, why even bother?
- True and they could have done against Merged Zamasu it was the perfect timing for that, but then Vegetto came instead and defined the Potara fusion is a better method since it's stronger and not eternal anymore.

They might unfuse with the Potara which I actually think gives the dance a big advantage in this situation.

[Lord Beerus]

- They only way you can even use the Potara earrings to begin is if you're on good relations with the literal God of your universe. And privilege barely a handful in any given universe will have. And even then, they can still tell you "Fuck off" if you want to use the earrings. Plus, it's piss easy to break them.
- And? Nothing states that the Fusion Dance is forbidden or Zeno wouldn't allow it
- True. But the Fusion Dance still produces an immensely powerful character
- Goku and Vegeta haven't used the Fusion Dance in the main story.

- So you're telling me that Shin would say "Fuck off" to Goku and Vegeta intending to fuse in order to their universe survival?
- Not saying that Zen-Oh would forbid, but just complementing it's easier to fuse putting earrings than performing a dance perfectly.
- But, if they can produce a character even stronger than the Fusion Dance, why even bother?
- True and they could have done against Merged Zamasu it was the perfect timing for that, but then Vegetto came instead and defined the Potara fusion is a better method since it's stronger and not eternal anymore.

- I'm not talking about Universe 7 specifically. I'm talking about all of the Kaioshin from every other universe. Some of those other Kaioshin can be assholes, prideful, immature or all of the above. Super is quite in your face about that, too.
- There's no universal gradient when it comes to learning the Fusion Dance. Some people can pick it up on the fly pull it off perfectly on the first go, and others need to spend time to practice.
- For the record, in the manga, while Old Kai states the Potara is better than the Fusion Dance but he doesn't actually elaborate on why it's better. It's just commonly assumed that the Potara earrings are stronger. But it could also mean he was referring to the fact that the Potara earrings are permanent, whereas the Fusion Dance was temporary. But even if the Potara earrings are stronger than the Fusion Dance counterpart, does it matter? A fused character is still very powerful in Dragon Ball.
- It was more convenient for the to use the Potara earring rather than the Fusion Dance because they just so happened to conveniently have a person who was wearing the earrings they needed right beside them. They are not going to always have a Kaioshin on stand-by to lend them the Potara earrings when any of the main cast want to fuse.

[perucho1990]

18 vs Brianne might go like this.

18 beats up Brianne so bad that she reverts to base form, then after Rozie is eliminated Brianne gets a unknown powerup and trashes 18, eliminating her in the process.

[HeroR]

- They only way you can even use the Potara earrings to begin is if you're on good relations with the literal God of your universe. And privilege barely a handful in any given universe will have. And even then, they can still tell you "Fuck off" if you want to use the earrings. Plus, it's piss easy to break them.
- And? Nothing states that the Fusion Dance is forbidden or Zeno wouldn't allow it
- True. But the Fusion Dance still produces an immensely powerful character
- Goku and Vegeta haven't used the Fusion Dance in the main story.

- So you're telling me that Shin would say "Fuck off" to Goku and Vegeta intending to fuse in order to their universe survival?
- Not saying that Zen-Oh would forbid, but just complementing it's easier to fuse putting earrings than performing a dance perfectly.
- But, if they can produce a character even stronger than the Fusion Dance, why even bother?
- True and they could have done against Merged Zamasu it was the perfect timing for that, but then Vegetto came instead and defined the Potara fusion is a better method since it's stronger and not eternal anymore.

They might unfuse with the Potara which I actually think gives the dance a big advantage in this situation.

How?

[Noah]

- I'm not talking about Universe 7 specifically. I'm talking about all of the Kaioshin from every other universe. Some of those other Kaioshin can be assholes, prideful, immature or all of the above. Super is quite in your face about that, too.
- There's no universal gradient when it comes to learning the Fusion Dance. Some people can pick it up on the fly pull it off perfectly on the first go, and others need to spend time to practice.
- For the record, in the manga, while Old Kai states the Potara is better than the Fusion Dance but he doesn't actually elaborate on why it's better. It's just commonly assumed that the Potara earrings are stronger. But it could also mean he was referring to the fact that the Potara earrings are permanent, whereas the Fusion Dance was temporary. But even if the Potara earrings are stronger than the Fusion Dance counterpart, does it matter? A fused character is still very powerful in Dragon Ball.
- It was more convenient for the to use the Potara earring rather than the Fusion Dance because they just so happened to conveniently have a person who was wearing the earrings they needed right beside them. They are not going to always have a Kaioshin on stand-by to lend them the Potara earrings when any of the main cast want to fuse.

- Okay... But I don't see how that would stop Goku and Vegeta to fuse in this tournament
- You said the word: "time to practice" but why waste in a time limited competition risking to fail when you can use the earrings that has 100% success rate?
- Even if the Fusion Dance is equal in power to the Potara, the earrings would still be a better method to fuse.
- Exactly and that's just like now in the Tournament Of Power, a Kaioshin willing to give their team his earrings so two of them could fuse, if you thought using Fusion Dance didn't make sense back in the Zamasu conflict, then it doesn't make any more sense now.

[Olympian]

Meh Fusions, the kind I really want to see will never happen.

It`s mostly just another Saiyan award as if they didn`t have enough of the kind.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Alright, so I want to make sure I have this clear.

Kale/Kefla's green forms are as such:

Super Saiyan Green (The muddy yellow-green colored hair). I feel like this should be a precursor to unlocking SSBerserker, or is it an incomplete version of the SSBerserker Controlled?

Super Saiyan Berserker. This makes sense.

Super Saiyan Berserker Controlled? This is just Berserker into an SS1 form, right?

Super Saiyan 2 Berserker Controlled? Super Saiyan Berserker Controlled 2? This seems to be the Super Saiyan 2 version of Kale's newest form before she fused with Caulifla.

I have no idea how to name them, or even how these 4 forms are related to one another. Maybe ... SSBerserker, Incomplete Legendary Super Saiyan, Legendary Super Saiyan, Legendary Super Saiyan 2?

[GodKaio-Ken]

- So you're telling me that Shin would say "Fuck off" to Goku and Vegeta intending to fuse in order to their universe survival?
- Not saying that Zen-Oh would forbid, but just complementing it's easier to fuse putting earrings than performing a dance perfectly.
- But, if they can produce a character even stronger than the Fusion Dance, why even bother?
- True and they could have done against Merged Zamasu it was the perfect timing for that, but then Vegetto came instead and defined the Potara fusion is a better method since it's stronger and not eternal anymore.

They might unfuse with the Potara which I actually think gives the dance a big advantage in this situation.

How?

That they won't immediately defuse?

[CJStriker_CBR]

Wait a sec.. after getting a second look at the prev, couldnt that be just Brianne trying to use a self destruct move? 18 was strangled up by something and looks like she was locked in some heart shiz, the attempt was to keep her there, it feels weird for her to not take advantage of that and attack, second, the way she was seemingly powering up looked more like her fading away.

The Levels of "WTF I can't believe I missed this Moment" I can't even describe to you right now, cause I CAN'T believe I Missed that in the Preveiws, Seriously!

I was likely SO FOCUSED on the Images that I skipped the wording all together, the Images had be beyond to excited at the prospects that I overlooked this Near-Smoking-Gun of a confirmation of what we think is about to happen.

Thank you ArchedThunder for Providing this Image for Us cause it is Monumental in it's Importance at clearing-up really much of any doubt of What is Coming!

Again I always hold out abit of myself in case of disappointment cause when you dive to deep into a certainty and it lets you down it is a Hard-Hit!

But it is hard to Not Say now it is Coming and Something that ALLOT of Us Either Fans of Brianne/Ribrianne/Universe 2 have been saying and speculating about and others have joined us in speculating about is about to happen!

Just speaking for Myself, If this is it, FOR ME AS A FAN This is on the Level of Monumental Excitement that is close to the feeling that many Had for when Ultra Instinct come to Life for Goku ~~~~ IT is That Epic a Moment!

That time is upon us in Super, It is time to See what Brianne can Truly Do! It is in the Hands of Toei to decide.

[TheMikado]

What does the Potara retcon have to do with the Fusion Dance? It still exists and can still produce an immensely powerful fused character.

1. The Potara is not eternal and it's a easier fusion method.
2. Zen-Oh allows it and Shin can lend his ones
3. It produces a more powerful fused character than the Fusion Dance
4. Goku and Vegeta did it before, there's no reason for them to do otherwise.

- They only way you can even use the Potara earrings to begin is if you're on good relations with the literal God of your universe. And privilege barely a handful in any given universe will have. And even then, they can still tell you "Fuck off" if you want to use the earrings. Plus, it's piss easy to break them.
- And? Nothing states that the Fusion Dance is forbidden or Zeno wouldn't allow it
- True. But the Fusion Dance still produces an immensely powerful character
- Goku and Vegeta haven't used the Fusion Dance in the main story.

I didn’t want to bring this up but breaking the potara earrings should not break the fusion.

[HeroR]

That they won't immediately defuse?

They would defused faster. Gotenks could only hold Super Saiyan 3 for five minutes before his fusion broke.

[Lord Beerus]

- I'm not talking about Universe 7 specifically. I'm talking about all of the Kaioshin from every other universe. Some of those other Kaioshin can be assholes, prideful, immature or all of the above. Super is quite in your face about that, too.
- There's no universal gradient when it comes to learning the Fusion Dance. Some people can pick it up on the fly pull it off perfectly on the first go, and others need to spend time to practice.
- For the record, in the manga, while Old Kai states the Potara is better than the Fusion Dance but he doesn't actually elaborate on why it's better. It's just commonly assumed that the Potara earrings are stronger. But it could also mean he was referring to the fact that the Potara earrings are permanent, whereas the Fusion Dance was temporary. But even if the Potara earrings are stronger than the Fusion Dance counterpart, does it matter? A fused character is still very powerful in Dragon Ball.
- It was more convenient for them to use the Potara earring rather than the Fusion Dance because they just so happened to conveniently have a person who was wearing the earrings they needed right beside them. They are not going to always have a Kaioshin on stand-by to lend them the Potara earrings when any of the main cast want to fuse.

- Okay... But I don't see how that would stop Goku and Vegeta to fuse in this tournament
- You said the word: "time to practice" but why waste in a time limited competition risking to fail when you can use the earrings that has 100% success rate?
- Even if the Fusion Dance is equal in power to the Potara, the earrings would still be a better method to fuse.
- Exactly and that's just like now in the Tournament Of Power, a Kaioshin willing to give their team his earrings so two of them could fuse, if you thought using Fusion Dance didn't make sense back in the Zamasu conflict, then it doesn't make any more sense now.

- Somebody could easily spot Kaioshin throwing the Potara into the stadium and could be destroyed before it reaches them. And once they are gone, they are gone.
- The potara earrings can be easily broken. Not to mention, there can be occasions where the characters that would be the best options to be fuse together may not even have ears to begin with. Which would make the Potara useless by default.
- And as I've said before, the Potara earring can be easily broken, and anatomy of some of the character can make the Potara incompatible to use. Not to mention, if very strong character fuses with a much weaker character, the fused character will not yield the best results.
- Look at the point(s) above.

[Noah]

- Somebody could easily spot Kaioshin throwing the Potara into the stadium and could be destroyed before it reaches them. And once they are gone, they are gone.
- The potara earrings can be easily broken. Not to mention, there can be occasions where the characters that would be the best options to be fuse together may not even have ears to begin with. Which would make the Potara useless by default.
- And as I've said before, the Potara earring can be easily broken, and anatomy of some of the character can make the Potara incompatible to use. Not to mention, if very strong character fuses with a much weaker character, the fused character will not yield the best results.
- Look at the point(s) above.

- Of course as the same way characters could be attacked and knocked out by their enemies while trying to perform the Fusion Dance.
- Please, we're mainly talking about Goku and Vegeta, this whole discussion began about you wondering that Gogeta could appear in the tournament, which I disagree because they have a better method.
- Look at the point(s) above