Ultra Instinct should have been for Gohan

[innocent_rage]

Below is from reddit user RS-Romante ,he makes very good points on why UI should have been gohans.

Gohan Vs Goku

Learns that he doesn't want to rely on transformations to get stronger, and deliberately is trying to find an alternate path to get stronger. (So from the get go, his intentions are to not rely on powering up to win.)

Gohan Vs Lavender

He blinds Gohan, causing Gohan to learn to not rely on his sights and reflexively react to what he feels around him.

Gohan vs Obuni

Realizes he needs to stop relying on both his vision AND what he feels. This fight should've brought him closer to naturally reacting to an opponent the moment an attack is thrown.
Gohan vs Hermila (U2 Sniper)

Mist blocks Gohan & Piccolo's vision, could've taught gohan more and more about reactively dodging each beam and not relying on his senses since he couldn't see OR detect the sniper.

The Appearance

I mean really, this transformation doesn't even change your hair color, it just seems perfect for Gohan.
Gohan doesn't have as many techniques as Goku, he doesn't have a spirit bomb or a kaioken to rely on. He doesn't have God form and he doesn't even WANT it. Of all the things, the perfect thing for him to learn is how to purely rely on his natural fighting ability & instincts.
Goku has kamehameha, spirit bomb, tons of transformations and fighting strategies that all revolve around concentration.
I know it makes sense, since Goku was dropped on his head as a baby which causes him to not be able to think like the average person, but come on.

[Whatever]

>UI is for those who dedicated their life to martial arts
>perfect for Gohan
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[HeroR]

>UI is for those who dedicated their life to martial arts
>perfect for Gohan
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Thank you!

Gohan is by far the less deserving of UI out of the fighters in the TOP. I would rather see Piccolo or even Tien get it since they're both dedicated martial artists who spent their lives training and perfecting their skills, while Gohan had most of his power given to him on a silver platter and he's extremely fickle with his training. Heck, Roshi is more worthy of UI, if he kept training after he retired in Dragon Ball since he's already an old master with a lot of battle experience compared to everyone outside of the gods and the angels.

And the reasons they give for Gohan to get UI is just lame:

Below is from reddit user RS-Romante ,he makes very good points on why UI should have been gohans.

Gohan Vs Goku

Learns that he doesn't want to rely on transformations to get stronger, and deliberately is trying to find an alternate path to get stronger. (So from the get go, his intentions are to not rely on powering up to win.)

Gohan Vs Lavender

He blinds Gohan, causing Gohan to learn to not rely on his sights and reflexively react to what he feels around him.

Gohan vs Obuni

Realizes he needs to stop relying on both his vision AND what he feels. This fight should've brought him closer to naturally reacting to an opponent the moment an attack is thrown.
Gohan vs Hermila (U2 Sniper)

Mist blocks Gohan & Piccolo's vision, could've taught gohan more and more about reactively dodging each beam and not relying on his senses since he couldn't see OR detect the sniper.

The Appearance

I mean really, this transformation doesn't even change your hair color, it just seems perfect for Gohan.
Gohan doesn't have as many techniques as Goku, he doesn't have a spirit bomb or a kaioken to rely on. He doesn't have God form and he doesn't even WANT it. Of all the things, the perfect thing for him to learn is how to purely rely on his natural fighting ability & instincts.
Goku has kamehameha, spirit bomb, tons of transformations and fighting strategies that all revolve around concentration.
I know it makes sense, since Goku was dropped on his head as a baby which causes him to not be able to think like the average person, but come on.

Gohan Vs Goku

What does 'not relying on transformations' have to do with UI? Transforming or not transforming has never been brought up as an issue, but for some reason fans keep thinking Saiyans transforming is some kind of negative against them.

Gohan Vs Lavender

Characters not relying on their eyesight have been a thing since Dragon Ball, so why does Gohan deserve a cookie for doing this against Lavender? If it took Gohan this long to fight 'blind' when Goku was doing this when he was a teenage, this is a negative for Gohan.

Gohan vs Obuni

Gohan tanked and punch. Nothing about "stop relying on both his vision and what he feels". He was stronger than Obuni with Ultimate, so he took an attack and hit back. The Ginyu Force can do this.

As for Goku and Hermila, Gohan outright sucked and Piccolo lost his arms.


The Appearance

This is just shallow. Gohan doesn't have half of Goku's techniques and abilities because he doesn't train enough. Gohan's naturally battle instincts are way below several other characters as I mentioned before, yet he deserves UI before them because.....he's Gohan I guess.

Goku being dropped on his head has nothing to do with his fighting skills and this is just insulting to Goku. He got all those fighting skills because he freaking trained his entire life to get them. They weren't handed to him outside of him drinking poison water. UI is the culmination of everything Goku learned in his 40 years as a martial artists. A greenhorn like Gohan shouldn't get it just because of 'potential'

[NitroEX]

From the outside looking in, Ultra Instinct basically appears to be a repackaged Ultimate form. Like they dusted off an old idea and handed it to Goku... as if he didn't have enough transformations already.

[mute_proxy]

From the outside looking in, Ultra Instinct basically appears to be a repackaged Ultimate form. Like they dusted off an old idea and handed it to Goku... as if he didn't have enough transformations already.

If a defense mechanism that happens on it's own when you're completely out of strength and energy is an old idea dusted off, then sure.

[HeroR]

From the outside looking in, Ultra Instinct basically appears to be a repackaged Ultimate form. Like they dusted off an old idea and handed it to Goku... as if he didn't have enough transformations already.

The only thing it has in common with Ultimate is it looks like a Saiyan's base form. In terms of implication, Ultimate is just a stronger version of Super Saiyan (as in, it give more power and speed to the user), while UI changes how a person fights.

[Yomi]

Gohan has never trained with Whis either, and Whis was training them to Master Ultra Instinct.
Although Beerus hasn't mastered it in 75 million years apparently.

[Lionel]

Gohan might have the potential to acquire Ultra Instinct. We've caught glimpses of him showing good aptitude before like when he outdid Krillin in image training and again when his future counterpart was stated to have the Taiyoken. Could Krillin have taught it to him? Yes, but in the future no one was aware of any impending threat. Krillin would have likely been killed when he ventured out to confront the cyborgs, leaving Gohan as the sole Z-fighter still alive until Trunks developed enough to help out.

I think a large contributing factor behind Gohan's unwillingness to train stems from his upbringing. Chichi was overbearing as a mother who made an effort to strenuously emphasise academics as the gateway to success -- a completely understandable mentality but one that caused Gohan to shy away from fighting with his mother not wanting anything to do with it for him. When left to his own devices like after having trained with Piccolo, he seemed more eager to work out. You have the aforementioned image training which Gohan seemed to be enjoying. Plus, during the almost two year intermission between Namek's destruction and Goku's return, no one made any observations about Gohan's power having waned like they did at the 25th tournament; implying that he might have trained in between his studies (some would dispute that the Grand Elder's potential unlock was still bolstering his power at the time).

If Gohan applied himself then I don't see why he couldn't acquired Ultra Instinct. One aspect of the ability is tapping into the greater reserves of your potential. Gohan is famous for his potential. The only issue is that he needs to have the concept of self bodily movement taught by undergoing training with Whis. Unfortunately, no one apart from Vegeta seems to have thought of this simple concept. Sad to say but I hold Toriyama responsible for this neglect. If conceived of appropriately, you would likely be seeing a similar event where the non Saiyans decided to train with Kami or King Kai.

[JazzMazz]

Gohan has never trained with Whis either, and Whis was training them to Master Ultra Instinct.
Although Beerus hasn't mastered it in 75 million years apparently.

The reason for that is fairly simple.

Beerus is super lazy(he has 50 year long naps for christs sakes), and improving his fighting skills is a secondary concern to things like enjoying himself.

[HeroR]

Gohan might have the potential to acquire Ultra Instinct. We've caught glimpses of him showing good aptitude before like when he outdid Krillin in image training and again when his future counterpart was stated to have the Taiyoken. Could Krillin have taught it to him? Yes, but in the future no one was aware of any impending threat. Krillin would have likely been killed when he ventured out to confront the cyborgs, leaving Gohan as the sole Z-fighter still alive until Trunks developed enough to help out.

I think a large contributing factor behind Gohan's unwillingness to train stems from his upbringing. Chichi was overbearing as a mother who made an effort to strenuously emphasise academics as the gateway to success -- a completely understandable mentality but one that caused Gohan to shy away from fighting with his mother not wanting anything to do with it for him. When left to his own devices like after having trained with Piccolo, he seemed more eager to work out. You have the aforementioned image training which Gohan seemed to be enjoying. Plus, during the almost two year intermission between Namek's destruction and Goku's return, no one made any observations about Gohan's power having waned like they did at the 25th tournament; implying that he might have trained in between his studies (some would dispute that the Grand Elder's potential unlock was still bolstering his power at the time).

If Gohan applied himself then I don't see why he couldn't acquired Ultra Instinct. One aspect of the ability is tapping into the greater reserves of your potential. Gohan is famous for his potential. The only issue is that he needs to have the concept of self bodily movement taught by undergoing training with Whis. Unfortunately, no one apart from Vegeta seems to have thought of this simple concept. Sad to say but I hold Toriyama responsible for this neglect. If conceived of appropriately, you would likely be seeing a similar event where the non Saiyans decided to train with Kami or King Kai.

Nitpick, but if you mean the image training in the Namek Saga, the actually fight wasn't shown in the manga and the Solar Flare is really easy to learn according to Krillin. Krillin learned it by watching it used a few times.

Also a lot of Gohan's eagerness to train was anime filler.

And I think Whis is more picky than Kami and King Kai. Whis barely took Vegeta as a student and Vegeta had to bribe him.

[Yedis]

Gohan Vs Goku

Learns that he doesn't want to rely on transformations to get stronger, and deliberately is trying to find an alternate path to get stronger. (So from the get go, his intentions are to not rely on powering up to win.)

Ultra Instinct is a transformation tho. Hair changes, eye color changes, increases power. No different than what happens when Saiyans use Super Saiyan.

[mute_proxy]

Gohan Vs Goku

Learns that he doesn't want to rely on transformations to get stronger, and deliberately is trying to find an alternate path to get stronger. (So from the get go, his intentions are to not rely on powering up to win.)

Ultra Instinct is a transformation tho. Hair changes, eye color changes, increases power. No different than what happens when Saiyans use Super Saiyan.

The UI "Omen" (in other words the "Sign of Ultra Instinct") is a transformation, UI is a technique.

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan doesn't need these so soon, especially not right now when he only just started training again, any new techniques and transformation needs hard work and time to master ( not for Caulifucka though ), he will get it eventually if he decides to take things seriously again which he seems to be doing in the manga, which is the better product..

But him getting it now will simply be as bad as someone not knowing SS going up to trading blows it Goku UI within 30 mins or so with hax..
Glad that'll never happen in the show..

[HeroR]

Gohan doesn't need these so soon, especially not right now when he only just started training again, any new techniques and transformation needs hard work and time to master ( not for Caulifucka though ), he will get it eventually if he decides to take things seriously again which he seems to be doing in the manga, which is the better product..

But him getting it now will simply be as bad as someone not knowing SS going up to trading blows it Goku UI within 30 mins or so with hax..
Glad that'll never happen in the show..

Except the person you're referring didn't even trade blows with UI Goku since he dodged everything.

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan doesn't need these so soon, especially not right now when he only just started training again, any new techniques and transformation needs hard work and time to master ( not for Caulifucka though ), he will get it eventually if he decides to take things seriously again which he seems to be doing in the manga, which is the better product..

But him getting it now will simply be as bad as someone not knowing SS going up to trading blows it Goku UI within 30 mins or so with hax..
Glad that'll never happen in the show..

Except the person you're referring didn't even trade blows with UI Goku since he dodged everything.

What?
I said that'll never happen in the show..
Jeez it's almost like something along the lines did happen and you are grasping at straws to prove it wrong

[Whatever]

Gohan doesn't need these so soon, especially not right now when he only just started training again, any new techniques and transformation needs hard work and time to master ( not for Caulifucka though ), he will get it eventually if he decides to take things seriously again which he seems to be doing in the manga, which is the better product..

But him getting it now will simply be as bad as someone not knowing SS going up to trading blows it Goku UI within 30 mins or so with hax..
Glad that'll never happen in the show..

Yep,Gohan is the shining example of hard work and got all his forms that way.......

As for UI don't worry Gohan won't get it even if he trains seriously,its for those who dedicated their life to the martial arts,so noobs like Gohan and the U6 saiyans are locked out of it.

[Ki Breaker]

Yep,Gohan is the shining example of hard work and got all his forms that way.......

I know right..
Plus he wasn't handed over UI, lost his ultimate and got one shotted by freeza for all the hard work he didn't do..
Can you imagine if say, a random douchenozzle couldn't even beat Goku at his base but went from that to one kicking let's see KKfuckingBlue sounds good, yeah, One kicking KKBlue in like some minutes with no previous knowledge whatsoever?
Now that is what I would call stupid, I am glad we follow a great show which has no such problems or people trying to defend them..

[Whatever]

Yep,Gohan is the shining example of hard work and got all his forms that way.......

I know right..
Plus he wasn't handed over UI, lost his ultimate and got one shotted by freeza for all the hard work he didn't do..
Can you imagine if say, a random douchenozzle couldn't even beat Goku at his base but went from that to one kicking let's see KKfuckingBlue sounds good, yeah, One kicking KKBlue in like some minutes with no previous knowledge whatsoever?
Now that is what I would call stupid, I am glad we follow a great show which has no such problems or people trying to defend them..

Imagine if he was still the 3rd strongest of his team and someone else died because of him,lets says Piccolo,how harsh of a punishment all of that would be for all the hard work he didn't do.
Can you imagine if someone that slacked for 7 years just sat in a hill with an old man dancing around him and became the strongest?
Thats something i would call stupid,i am glad this show or its prequel does not have those problems and Gohan is not shielded from the consequences of his actions and does not get power handed out to him with no effort.

[Ki Breaker]

Yep,Gohan is the shining example of hard work and got all his forms that way.......

I know right..
Plus he wasn't handed over UI, lost his ultimate and got one shotted by freeza for all the hard work he didn't do..
Can you imagine if say, a random douchenozzle couldn't even beat Goku at his base but went from that to one kicking let's see KKfuckingBlue sounds good, yeah, One kicking KKBlue in like some minutes with no previous knowledge whatsoever?
Now that is what I would call stupid, I am glad we follow a great show which has no such problems or people trying to defend them..

Imagine if he was still the 3rd strongest of his team and someone else died because of him,lets says Piccolo,how harsh of a punishment all of that would be for all the hard work he didn't do.
Can you imagine if someone that slacked for 7 years just sat in a hill with an old man dancing around him and became the strongest?
Thats something i would call stupid,i am glad this show or its prequel does not have those problems and Gohan is not shielded from the consequences of his actions and does not get power handed out to him with no effort.

I am glad we are in agreement that the anime is perfect and every character and their powerups make sense..

[emperior]

As much as I like Gohan, I wouldn’t want to see him surpassing Goku and Vegeta in this tournament. Super can still go on for long, so let him get back on tracks slowly.
He could go and train on Planet Sadala, and I would also like to see more of Piccolo finally training him into a true warrior.
Maybe in the future Gohan could become the master of Goten and Trunks. That would be a good parallel to his future counterpart, if he became Trunks’ master in the present too.

I just hope Gohan won’t be rushed in this arc. He should end the tournament with a good performance but not as the strongest warrior.
It seems like he is finally truly enjoying fighting and in episode 90 he had long-term plans.
How good would it be if Gohan became similar to Bruce Lee, in that he would start studying all kinds of techniques and Martial Arts, and release his studies on a book? He did something similar in Dragon Ball Online! That would finally give some meaning to the “Gohan likes to study” thing. In real life, many people study Martial Arts.