Is Hit really eliminated?

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by HeroR » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:50 am

JazzMazz wrote: We can predict for clearly how certain things are going to play out based on patterns and specific story elements, but we at best only have a vague idea of how things are going to play out and we can't really predict the specifics of it since it hasn't happened.
jplaya2023 wrote: hit's voice actor is on vacation that's why you haven't heard hit speak since elimination
Where did you get that tid bit?
Certain things, but people got how the Trunks Saga ended wrong outside of Zen'o erasing Zamasu. And that wasn't the story being 'predictable', so much as laying the clues that it would happened. That is like saying the Freeza Saga was predictable since everyone guessed Goku would get Super Saiyan and beat Freeza after Super Saiyan was mentioned by Vegeta and Freeza several episodes before Goku even arrived on Namek. So Namek being destroyed, Krillin dying, the Namekians being brought back, everyone leaving Namek except Goku and Freeza, Freeza being cut in half and begging for his life, and Freeza's betrayal doesn't count since 'we can't really predict the specifics of it since it hasn't happened'.
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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by JazzMazz » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:55 am

HeroR wrote:
JazzMazz wrote: We can predict for clearly how certain things are going to play out based on patterns and specific story elements, but we at best only have a vague idea of how things are going to play out and we can't really predict the specifics of it since it hasn't happened.
jplaya2023 wrote: hit's voice actor is on vacation that's why you haven't heard hit speak since elimination
Where did you get that tid bit?
Certain things, but people got how the Trunks Saga ended wrong outside of Zen'o erasing Zamasu. And that wasn't the story being 'predictable', so much as laying the clues that it would happened. That is like saying the Freeza Saga was predictable since everyone guessed Goku would get Super Saiyan and beat Freeza after Super Saiyan was mentioned by Vegeta and Freeza several episodes before Goku even arrived on Namek. So Namek being destroyed, Krillin dying, the Namekians being brought back, everyone leaving Namek except Goku and Freeza, Freeza being cut in half and begging for his life, and Freeza's betrayal doesn't count since 'we can't really predict the specifics of it since it hasn't happened'.
Again, during that time, we could probably predict that someone was going to go Super Saiyan, however, as I already stated, we can't predict exactly how things are going to turn out.

Just as, it was easy to predict that it would be Goku and Piccolo who would face off in the final round of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by HeroR » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:04 am

JazzMazz wrote: Again, during that time, we could probably predict that someone was going to go Super Saiyan, however, as I already stated, we can't predict exactly how things are going to turn out.

Just as, it was easy to predict that it would be Goku and Piccolo who would face off in the final round of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.
But that isn't being 'predictable', which is my point. Fans can guess plot points, especially when the plot is pointing to this to happened like Goku getting the Zen'o button so it would only make sense it would come into play before the saga end. What is the deciding factor of something being predictable vs. the plot telling us this is going to happened, but we don't know the details is expectations. Like the story told us the Zen'o button would be pressed, most likely to kill an immortal. What the plot didn't tell us what that everyone but the main characters are erased and not brought back like everything else in Dragon Ball.
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precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by FubukiFoxx » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:35 am

Short answer: yes.
Slightly longer answer: unfortunately, yes, Hit is in fact eliminated. It's a shame really; I would have loved to see him fight some more contenders before jumping right into fighting Jiren. Of course, the plot demands that Jiren be one of the final contenders, so jumping in at this stage in the tournament was just a death wish, really.

I just hope he won't get shafted in any future arcs; he has a lot of potential, and I'd hate for that to be squandered simply because he isn't a Saiyan.
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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by Super_Divine_Genki » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:14 am

The episode emphasizing Hit's words of encouragement to the Saiyajin girls is the only thing in the way of me thinking that he may not be eliminated. Otherwise, sign me up for Hit still being in play. As it were, his elimination was extremely underwhelming, even taking into consideration that it was that freak Jiren that knocked Hit out of bounds. It could be possible that Hit is astral projecting an image of himself in the stands (how cool would that be?).

One of the things that I didn't want to happen, as far as Hit is concerned, is to be treated as last weeks old news (like those before him). If his true physical self is closed off within some pocket dimension that he created, then that would be possibly the single greatest twist in all of serialized DB. His elimination fell so flat for me. I'm a fan of this theory. :thumbup:
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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:23 am

He is out but I wouldn't mind him coming back coming back as he was wasted. He didn't even get to eliminate Dyspo and having Hit vs Jiren after Goku vs Jiren was just stupid.

We all know his performances are going to get worse in the future arcs like Goku's other rivals because they would rather keep the worst one which is Vegeta even know Goku doesn't consider him a rival and is only there because he is a Saiyan.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by Zagacious » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:19 pm

I still think he is potentially hiding in the arena somewhere, and that himself in the stands is just an illusion, but it's not for certain. One of the big reasons I think that is how underwhelming his elimination was, imagine if someone like Vegeta got eliminated like that? Now Hit is not quite as important as Vegeta, but pretty damn close to being a main character. Then again, it could be the writers just misusing Hit to show how strong Jiren is, but his whole elimination just didn't make a lot of sense to me. Early on in the fight, Hit could easily tell he had no chance against Jiren, he's not stupid, which makes me believe he faked his own elimination to get Jiren off his back for now. Hit does seem prideful, like he wouldn't be one to give up, but he seems more calculating and not one to just die for 'honor'/'pride' or whatever you'd like to call it like the Saiyans would do when he can easily escape and fight later.

In hindsight it was a dumb move for Hit to let himself get eliminated, it didn't even seem like Jiren was actually going to try to eliminate him until Hit pushed it (and at this point Hit could definitely tell he had no chance) so it just seems weird like he sacrificed himself for no reason or benefit to the team. Jiren definitely wasn't going after the girls, so telling them to run seems weird too, idk. It's just me personally believing Hit is more intelligent than that, but he can't control what the writers will have him do xD

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by TekTheNinja » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:33 pm

shadowmaria wrote:Hit's gone

Why is this so goddamn hard for people to comprehend?
Because it is very fucking difficult to comprehend why anyone would write a plot point this badly. The universe 6 arc practically existed only to hype up Hit, Cabba, and to an extent Frost's future potential to the plot, but the very next major arc they all appear in they're all irrelevant. It makes no sense. Who the fuck would write a plot this bad? It's complete anti-hype. Hit didn't even do much before his inevitable and predictable jobbing moment against a boring-ass shitty NEW rival for Goku. BECAUSE WE NEEDED ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE ALREADY, RIGHT? Yeah, basically it's boring shitty writing, so people hold on to a fragment of hope that something cool happened instead, even though it's most likely in vain because Super is one of the worst written anime in recent history. That's why.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by IntoTheFire » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:55 pm

I don't think Super is completely predictable but I don't believe Hit is still in the game. It would be a neat twist but I don't see it happening.
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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by Zillamon51 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:08 am

I guess I'm the only one, but I like how things went down with Hit. We all thought for sure he would make the final five at least, but nope. He saw how overwhelming Jiren was, so he tried a sneak attack right after Jiren's fight with Goku. Smart. Jiren asks him What's up, and he replies, "I'm working." Like a boss. Hit uses his unique abilities to take Jiren to the edge, much more so than Goku did. It looks like he might pull it off, before Jiren shows truly OP he is (in a good way). Hit goes out a hero, and gets respect from his GoD, Champa.

The only thing I didn't like was the Saiyans not trying to blast Jiren out while Hit was holding him. That's truly shit writing, but not unique to this situation. It's indicative of a larger problem with the ToP overall, wherein nobody goes for the win, even with so much on the line, just to drag things out, or create fake drama.
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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by TekTheNinja » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:16 am

Zillamon51 wrote:I guess I'm the only one, but I like how things went down with Hit. We all thought for sure he would make the final five at least, but nope. He saw how overwhelming Jiren was, so he tried a sneak attack right after Jiren's fight with Goku. Smart. Jiren asks him What's up, and he replies, "I'm working." Like a boss. Hit uses his unique abilities to take Jiren to the edge, much more so than Goku did. It looks like he might pull it off, before Jiren shows truly OP he is (in a good way). Hit goes out a hero, and gets respect from his GoD, Champa.

The only thing I didn't like was the Saiyans not trying to blast Jiren out while Hit was holding him. That's truly shit writing, but not unique to this situation. It's indicative of a larger problem with the ToP overall, wherein nobody goes for the win, even with so much on the line, just to drag things out, or create fake drama.
Might have been better is he actually dealt any real form of damage to Jiren, but Jiren seems to have barely broken a sweat. As is, Hit did nothing but job in a predictable as fuck way.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by Jigurashi » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:04 am

TekTheNinja wrote:
Zillamon51 wrote:I guess I'm the only one, but I like how things went down with Hit. We all thought for sure he would make the final five at least, but nope. He saw how overwhelming Jiren was, so he tried a sneak attack right after Jiren's fight with Goku. Smart. Jiren asks him What's up, and he replies, "I'm working." Like a boss. Hit uses his unique abilities to take Jiren to the edge, much more so than Goku did. It looks like he might pull it off, before Jiren shows truly OP he is (in a good way). Hit goes out a hero, and gets respect from his GoD, Champa.

The only thing I didn't like was the Saiyans not trying to blast Jiren out while Hit was holding him. That's truly shit writing, but not unique to this situation. It's indicative of a larger problem with the ToP overall, wherein nobody goes for the win, even with so much on the line, just to drag things out, or create fake drama.
Might have been better is he actually dealt any real form of damage to Jiren, but Jiren seems to have barely broken a sweat. As is, Hit did nothing but job in a predictable as fuck way.
He didn't job since we already knew he was going to get his ass kicked and was far inferior. With that said, I would have liked for Hit to accomplish more than he did.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by TekTheNinja » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:17 am

Jigurashi wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote:
Zillamon51 wrote:I guess I'm the only one, but I like how things went down with Hit. We all thought for sure he would make the final five at least, but nope. He saw how overwhelming Jiren was, so he tried a sneak attack right after Jiren's fight with Goku. Smart. Jiren asks him What's up, and he replies, "I'm working." Like a boss. Hit uses his unique abilities to take Jiren to the edge, much more so than Goku did. It looks like he might pull it off, before Jiren shows truly OP he is (in a good way). Hit goes out a hero, and gets respect from his GoD, Champa.

The only thing I didn't like was the Saiyans not trying to blast Jiren out while Hit was holding him. That's truly shit writing, but not unique to this situation. It's indicative of a larger problem with the ToP overall, wherein nobody goes for the win, even with so much on the line, just to drag things out, or create fake drama.
Might have been better is he actually dealt any real form of damage to Jiren, but Jiren seems to have barely broken a sweat. As is, Hit did nothing but job in a predictable as fuck way.
He didn't job since we already knew he was going to get his ass kicked and was far inferior. With that said, I would have liked for Hit to accomplish more than he did.
Now I'm not one of those guys who throws around the term "jobber" willy nilly, but in this case Hit totally jobbed to the main dude, Vegeta style.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

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TekTheNinja wrote:
Jigurashi wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote: Might have been better is he actually dealt any real form of damage to Jiren, but Jiren seems to have barely broken a sweat. As is, Hit did nothing but job in a predictable as fuck way.
He didn't job since we already knew he was going to get his ass kicked and was far inferior. With that said, I would have liked for Hit to accomplish more than he did.
Now I'm not one of those guys who throws around the term "jobber" willy nilly, but in this case Hit totally jobbed to the main dude, Vegeta style.
Sheesh dude. Judging by your comments you hate Goku just as much as I dislike Vegeta. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by namekiansaiyan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:46 am

Khandom101 wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote:
Jigurashi wrote: He didn't job since we already knew he was going to get his ass kicked and was far inferior. With that said, I would have liked for Hit to accomplish more than he did.
Now I'm not one of those guys who throws around the term "jobber" willy nilly, but in this case Hit totally jobbed to the main dude, Vegeta style.
Sheesh dude. Judging by your comments you hate Goku just as much as I dislike Vegeta. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hit going to go the way of Piccolo and Tien and that is why he did nothing in his fight against Jiren.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

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namekiansaiyan wrote:
Khandom101 wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote: Now I'm not one of those guys who throws around the term "jobber" willy nilly, but in this case Hit totally jobbed to the main dude, Vegeta style.
Sheesh dude. Judging by your comments you hate Goku just as much as I dislike Vegeta. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hit going to go the way of Piccolo and Tien and that is why he did nothing in his fight against Jiren.
Hahaha, that's where your wrong dude. The bromance between Goku and Hit is just too strong especially in the anime, toei would have to be incredibly stupid to end that and no way in hell would they let Hit be reduced to a simple fodder. I can totally see a rivalry brewing between Goku and Hit. There is no sense of rivalry between Goku and Vegeta, who am I kidding there wasn't any to begin with.

Dude, Hit did more damage to Jiren than Goku ever could in his ssbkkx20 state so what the heck are you on about. Plus he was restrained from fully utilising his techniques due to the No kill rule (I hope soo) Also he has the ability to improve which is beyond what a simple transformation is capable off.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by Jigurashi » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:12 pm

Khandom101 wrote:
namekiansaiyan wrote:
Khandom101 wrote: Sheesh dude. Judging by your comments you hate Goku just as much as I dislike Vegeta. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hit going to go the way of Piccolo and Tien and that is why he did nothing in his fight against Jiren.
Hahaha, that's where your wrong dude. The bromance between Goku and Hit is just too strong especially in the anime, toei would have to be incredibly stupid to end that and no way in hell would they let Hit be reduced to a simple fodder. I can totally see a rivalry brewing between Goku and Hit. There is no sense of rivalry between Goku and Vegeta, who am I kidding there wasn't any to begin with.

Dude, Hit did more damage to Jiren than Goku ever could in his ssbkkx20 state so what the heck are you on about. Plus he was restrained from fully utilising his techniques due to the No kill rule (I hope soo) Also he has the ability to improve which is beyond what a simple transformation is capable off.
You say this, yet that didn't stop Hit from being trashed by Jiren as Hit is old news and Jiren's the new guy on the block. This is despite the fact Toei likes Hit. Damage wise Hit didn't do anymore damage to Jiren than SSBKKx20 Goku. He did a lot better when it comes to eliminating the guy, but close combat wise, he was shown doing worse in h2h than even SSB Goku. He wasn't held back from using his full power at all. Hell he used all of the techniques he was shown to use in both fights with Goku, he just didn't use them to kill. Being unrestricted doesn't mean much when in DB power trumps everything else almost all the time.

Like Hit was reduced to simple fodder in the Jiren fight. You may not like it, but that's what happened. He is utter shit to the top fighters, Goku and Jiren, as was Tenshinhan shit to Goku and Piccolo, Piccolo shit to Goku and Vegeta, and Vegeta shit to Goku and Hit. He's a Goku rival that isn't Vegeta, meaning he's got a far likelier chance of becoming irrelevant than catching up with Goku (I really want him to catch up to Goku sometime after this saga but I'm not hopeful).

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by Khandom101 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:37 pm

Jigurashi wrote:
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namekiansaiyan wrote:
Hit going to go the way of Piccolo and Tien and that is why he did nothing in his fight against Jiren.
Hahaha, that's where your wrong dude. The bromance between Goku and Hit is just too strong especially in the anime, toei would have to be incredibly stupid to end that and no way in hell would they let Hit be reduced to a simple fodder. I can totally see a rivalry brewing between Goku and Hit. There is no sense of rivalry between Goku and Vegeta, who am I kidding there wasn't any to begin with.

Dude, Hit did more damage to Jiren than Goku ever could in his ssbkkx20 state so what the heck are you on about. Plus he was restrained from fully utilising his techniques due to the No kill rule (I hope soo) Also he has the ability to improve which is beyond what a simple transformation is capable off.
You say this, yet that didn't stop Hit from being trashed by Jiren as Hit is old news and Jiren's the new guy on the block. This is despite the fact Toei likes Hit. Damage wise Hit didn't do anymore damage to Jiren than SSBKKx20 Goku. He did a lot better when it comes to eliminating the guy, but close combat wise, he was shown doing worse in h2h than even SSB Goku. He wasn't held back from using his full power at all. Hell he used all of the techniques he was shown to use in both fights with Goku, he just didn't use them to kill. Being unrestricted doesn't mean much when in DB power trumps everything else almost all the time.

Like Hit was reduced to simple fodder in the Jiren fight. You may not like it, but that's what happened. He is utter shit to the top fighters, Goku and Jiren, as was Tenshinhan shit to Goku and Piccolo, Piccolo shit to Goku and Vegeta, and Vegeta shit to Goku and Hit. He's a Goku rival that isn't Vegeta, meaning he's got a far likelier chance of becoming irrelevant than catching up with Goku (I really want him to catch up to Goku sometime after this saga but I'm not hopeful).
Well, I disagree nonetheless I hope Hit stays relevant.

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Re: Is Hit really eliminated?

Post by MajinMan » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:12 pm

Rumor has it that if you look under your bed at night, you'll see Hit hiding.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:30 pm

MajinMan wrote:Rumor has it that if you look under your bed at night, you'll see Hit hiding.
I heard of you say 'Hit' in a mirror three times, he comes up behind and skips time for one second.

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