I am very that my prediction of brianne asspulling her way to god level is becoming true.I just hope she does more than punching and firing ki blasts.
Why power levels are important?
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Hawk9211 wrote:I am very that my prediction of brianne asspulling her way to god level is becoming true.I just hope she does more than punching and firing ki blasts.
She will fight 17 at full power and probably lose in episode 117.
If it is just punching and random Ki blast then it will probably be a crap fight.
Michsi wrote:Wait, we got preview images from 118 but not 117? How does that even work?
It's the image they use for the next episode preview video.
People found out last year that Toei would always ready the image they would use for the next episode preview video on their Super site, while it's the Super twitter profile that releases images of this week's episode typically late in the friday afternoon local time.
So basically the nep image for the episode that comes after this immediate one is not supposed to be found by the public, while the images from the forthcoming episode are very much made publically available.
Oh, I see. Thanks for that.
I didn't even notice the shadows in the background. Guess those Universe 2 guys don't get eliminated in 117.
Hawk9211 wrote:I am very that my prediction of brianne asspulling her way to god level is becoming true.I just hope she does more than punching and firing ki blasts.
She will fight 17 at full power and probably lose in episode 117.
If it is just punching and random Ki blast then it will probably be a crap fight.
I am still annoyed at the face that all U2 girls do is spout about love and throw heart shaped ki blasts,what is the point in bringing magical girls to a fighting tournament if all they do is fight like any other dragon ball character?
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Hawk9211 wrote:I am very that my prediction of brianne asspulling her way to god level is becoming true.I just hope she does more than punching and firing ki blasts.
She will fight 17 at full power and probably lose in episode 117.
If it is just punching and random Ki blast then it will probably be a crap fight.
I am still annoyed at the face that all U2 girls do is spout about love and throw heart shaped ki blasts,what is the point in bringing magical girls to a fighting tournament if all they do is fight like any other dragon ball character?
I don't follow the Precure franchise, but I've seen some clips with animation from a few of those series and it seems they do have plenty of hand to hand combat in those. And I do think it's Precure they're referencing here considering it's one of Toei biggest title currently. Sailor Moon was the one that had only magic rays and stuff and special abbilities, more recent additions to his genre have more action apparently.
Michsi wrote:Wait, we got preview images from 118 but not 117? How does that even work?
It's the image they use for the next episode preview video.
People found out last year that Toei would always ready the image they would use for the next episode preview video on their Super site, while it's the Super twitter profile that releases images of this week's episode typically late in the friday afternoon local time.
So basically the nep image for the episode that comes after this immediate one is not supposed to be found by the public, while the images from the forthcoming episode are very much made publically available.
Oh, I see. Thanks for that.
I didn't even notice the shadows in the background. Guess those Universe 2 guys don't get eliminated in 117.
The 2 shadows and Zarbuto with get hit by the Kamehameha and be ringed out. It vould have a high chance of being the end of Universe 2 so all the reactions could waste more valuable Namekian screen time.
Michsi wrote:Wait, we got preview images from 118 but not 117? How does that even work?
HeroR wrote:
Piccolo hasn’t had a battle of wits fight since Frost.
And 106. As well as what he did in 102.
106 wasn’t really a battle of wit since he never even get to see his attacker. 102, what did he do?
Doesn't matter, we got to see him think and strategize, and make use of his abilities in new and creative ways. He managed to find a way to hide from Prum- or whatever his name was- twice and it was only because of something unexpected that he was forced to back down. I'm fan of powerful and cool moves, but I love characters that strategize and are seen to think things through just as much.
102 is a bit tricky since I don't remember the details that well , but I think I remember him intentionally luring his opponent away.
The episode with Universe 2's Prum and Hermila does admittedly provide a rare glimpse into the mental aptitude that many people like to prescribe to Piccolo. It's not everyday you see a combat situation in DBZ where stealth and misdirection are utilised attributes in countering an opponent's techniques. With that said, the tactical ingenuity ultimately amounted to little else beyond spelling out the mechanics of Prum's projectile and allowing Gohan and Piccolo to hide for a bit longer. Not only that, Piccolo had to share this rare encounter with three other characters besides Gohan, two of them being everyone's favourite slapdash banal Saiyan duo. In my opinion, it diminishes the meaningfulness of the gesture due to the time allocated and participation of the character in question being apportioned out to others when he himself is in desperate need of some prime exclusive focus.
Whatever intelligence Piccolo shows tends not to amount to much in combat. In the Frost battle, for example, the execution of its events was contingent on Piccolo's power just as much as it was on his strategic manoeuvring. How else you do think he could have avoided Frost's projectiles and bind the guy's upper body with an improvised appendage rope without having the necessary reflexes and strength to achieve those feats? If you want a prime example of wits and tactical ingenuity trumping strength then the best example, to my knowledge, is the fight with Dracula Man using Puar and Upa.
Lionel wrote:The episode with Universe 2's Prum and Hermila does admittedly provide a rare glimpse into the mental aptitude that many people like to prescribe to Piccolo. It's not everyday you see a combat situation in DBZ where stealth and misdirection are utilised attributes in countering an opponent's techniques. With that said, the tactical ingenuity ultimately amounted to little else beyond spelling out the mechanics of Prum's projectile and allowing Gohan and Piccolo to hide for a bit longer. Not only that, Piccolo had to share this rare encounter with three other characters besides Gohan, two of them being everyone's favourite slapdash banal Saiyan duo. In my opinion, it diminishes the meaningfulness of the gesture due to the time allocated and participation of the character in question being apportioned out to others when he himself is in desperate need of some prime exclusive focus.
Whatever intelligence Piccolo shows tends not to amount to much in combat. In the Frost battle, for example, the execution of its events was contingent on Piccolo's power just as much as it was on his strategic manoeuvring. How else you do think he could have avoided Frost's projectiles and bind the guy's upper body with an improvised appendage rope without having the necessary reflexes and strength to achieve those feats? If you want a prime example of wits and tactical ingenuity trumping strength then the best example, to my knowledge, is the fight with Dracula Man using Puar and Upa.
If you want Piccolo to get some prime focus then you need Gohan to drop out.
Michsi wrote:
HeroR wrote:
Michsi wrote:Wait, we got preview images from 118 but not 117? How does that even work?
And 106. As well as what he did in 102.
106 wasn’t really a battle of wit since he never even get to see his attacker. 102, what did he do?
Doesn't matter, we got to see him think and strategize, and make use of his abilities in new and creative ways. He managed to find a way to hide from Prum- or whatever his name was- twice and it was only because of something unexpected that he was forced to back down. I'm fan of powerful and cool moves, but I love characters that strategize and are seen to think things through just as much.
102 is a bit tricky since I don't remember the details that well , but I think I remember him intentionally luring his opponent away.
It was episode 103 not 102 and Piccolo took him away from everything else to finish him quickly.
Lionel wrote:The episode with Universe 2's Prum and Hermila does admittedly provide a rare glimpse into the mental aptitude that many people like to prescribe to Piccolo. It's not everyday you see a combat situation in DBZ where stealth and misdirection are utilised attributes in countering an opponent's techniques. With that said, the tactical ingenuity ultimately amounted to little else beyond spelling out the mechanics of Prum's projectile and allowing Gohan and Piccolo to hide for a bit longer. Not only that, Piccolo had to share this rare encounter with three other characters besides Gohan, two of them being everyone's favourite slapdash banal Saiyan duo. In my opinion, it diminishes the meaningfulness of the gesture due to the time allocated and participation of the character in question being apportioned out to others when he himself is in desperate need of some prime exclusive focus.
Whatever intelligence Piccolo shows tends not to amount to much in combat. In the Frost battle, for example, the execution of its events was contingent on Piccolo's power just as much as it was on his strategic manoeuvring. How else you do think he could have avoided Frost's projectiles and bind the guy's upper body with an improvised appendage rope without having the necessary reflexes and strength to achieve those feats? If you want a prime example of wits and tactical ingenuity trumping strength then the best example, to my knowledge, is the fight with Dracula Man using Puar and Upa.
It wasn't him that was sharing the episode though, it was Tien, sadly. The fact that they spent so much of Tien's episode to highlight Piccolo's smarts instead of finding a way to put him and Gohan in a bind from the start says something.
As for the effectiveness of his plans, they usually fall apart when something completely unexpected happens, something that he couldn't have taken into account and prepared for. That doesn't mean he is not a fighter, or that his ideas aren't first and foremost based on his combat prowess. He is still training after all.
namekiansaiyan wrote:
It was episode 103 not 102 and Piccolo took him away from everything else to finish him quickly.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Michsi wrote:Wait, we got preview images from 118 but not 117? How does that even work?
And 106. As well as what he did in 102.
106 wasn’t really a battle of wit since he never even get to see his attacker. 102, what did he do?
Doesn't matter, we got to see him think and strategize, and make use of his abilities in new and creative ways. He managed to find a way to hide from Prum- or whatever his name was- twice and it was only because of something unexpected that he was forced to back down. I'm fan of powerful and cool moves, but I love characters that strategize and are seen to think things through just as much.
102 is a bit tricky since I don't remember the details that well , but I think I remember him intentionally luring his opponent away.
What ability he used in a creative way? His way of hiding was going under a rock.
Don’t remember him doing that in 102.
Michsi wrote:
It wasn't him that was sharing the episode though, it was Tien, sadly. The fact that they spent so much of Tien's episode to highlight Piccolo's smarts instead of finding a way to put him and Gohan in a bind from the start says something.
As for the effectiveness of his plans, they usually fall apart when something completely unexpected happens, something that he couldn't have taken into account and prepared for. That doesn't mean he is not a fighter, or that his ideas aren't first and foremost based on his combat prowess. He is still training after all.
Part of being a good planner is expecting the unexpected or having a backup when Plan A fails.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
HeroR wrote:
106 wasn’t really a battle of wit since he never even get to see his attacker. 102, what did he do?
Doesn't matter, we got to see him think and strategize, and make use of his abilities in new and creative ways. He managed to find a way to hide from Prum- or whatever his name was- twice and it was only because of something unexpected that he was forced to back down. I'm fan of powerful and cool moves, but I love characters that strategize and are seen to think things through just as much.
102 is a bit tricky since I don't remember the details that well , but I think I remember him intentionally luring his opponent away.
What ability he used in a creative way? His way of hiding was going under a rock.
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I thought the same thing. Like enough already. Put that Namek up!
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