I find Goku to be the worst character in this show

[Zagacious]

Well unfortunately for all of you haters Goku is the man.

This doesn't add to the conversation in the slightest.

I mean, why do people enjoy Saitama when he one-shots everything. Same thing.

Saitama isn't a good example for your cause, dude. One Punch Man quite certainly follows a "wait for Saitama" formula that helps make the show interesting, along with the character interactions and comedy. It's the reason for amazing moments like the heroes' struggle against the sea king, especially with Mumen Rider. This is the very same reasoning we have some of DBZ's best moments, and DBS doesn't have that, instead opting for Goku fighting weaker fighters who he exerts little effort for, while the other cast members could have much more interesting fights with them if they were given the chance.

Yeah points like that are just silly. No one's saying Goku should be completely removed from the story, but at least when he is involved have it actually mean something and not just have him there for the hell of it. He's involved in way too many fodder fights that last way longer than they should because he's holding back. Some of those fights could have been intense and meaningful for lesser characters, but they chose to have Goku screw around with them for an episode instead or in Hit vs Dyspo's case he turned an epic battle into a faceroll.

[Abra kadabra]

He we are and everyone else is irrelevant except for Goku. Can't really say I'm surprised.

[namekiansaiyan]

He we are and everyone else is irrelevant except for Goku. Can't really say I'm surprised.

I just can't excited at all for him. People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku. Anyone would have acted the same as him and he is just a host for the actual 'cool' bit.

[majinwarman]

He we are and everyone else is irrelevant except for Goku. Can't really say I'm surprised.

I just can't excited at all for him. People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku. Anyone would have acted the same as him and he is just a host for the actual 'cool' bit.

But at the end of the day, Dragon Ball is still Goku's life story. There is nothing that is going to change that anytime soon.

[namekiansaiyan]

He we are and everyone else is irrelevant except for Goku. Can't really say I'm surprised.

I just can't excited at all for him. People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku. Anyone would have acted the same as him and he is just a host for the actual 'cool' bit.

But at the end of the day, Dragon Ball is still Goku's life story. There is nothing that is going to change that anytime soon.

What has that got to do with what I said?

[Simere]

I just can't excited at all for him. People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku. Anyone would have acted the same as him and he is just a host for the actual 'cool' bit.

Host? Are you talking some possession theory right now?

[namekiansaiyan]

I just can't excited at all for him. People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku. Anyone would have acted the same as him and he is just a host for the actual 'cool' bit.

Host? Are you talking some possession theory right now?

What I am basically saying is that the Ultra Instinct we have seen so far would have worked the exact same way no matter who had it.

Goku was not the entertainment, Ultra Instinct was.

[Asura]

Maybe it's the fact that he's in our face non-stop 24/7 all the time in Super, but Goku has grown on me a lot. I was always a huge Gohan fan, way more than I was a Goku fan, but since Gohan has barely been in Super and when he has it's usually embarrassing to watch, I've grown more and more attached to Goku, despite the fact that his character is a downgrade from the one in Z.

I think the seriousness of Ultra Instinct is something that has been needed for a long, long time. Goku is too carefree, giddy, and happy in Super, and you really got to see that in the FT arc. Aside from his small rage boost after Zamasu told him how he killed his family (which was actually pretty poorly done, the dialogue was just as hammy as you could get) Goku was just... an idiot. Forgetting things, acting like a child more than he usually does, and his reaction to the devastation of Trunks' world is... nonexistent. Actually, he seemed pretty happy about the whole thing (although everyone else was too... what a weird ending!)

So now that he's displayed some seriousness which has been lacking for basically the entirety of Super, Goku is starting to feel like himself again. People are getting SSJ on Namek vibes for a good reason.

[TekTheNinja]

He we are and everyone else is irrelevant except for Goku. Can't really say I'm surprised.

I just can't excited at all for him. People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku. Anyone would have acted the same as him and he is just a host for the actual 'cool' bit.

But at the end of the day, Dragon Ball is still Goku's life story. There is nothing that is going to change that anytime soon.

Z focused on other characters. Super has NO excuse.

[TBMx]

Goku doesn't even need help anymore. He powers up from fighting now. They may as well pull a Frieza, give him some energy and be on their merry way.

[SsjCookie]

Well unfortunately for all of you haters Goku is the man.

This doesn't add to the conversation in the slightest.

I mean, why do people enjoy Saitama when he one-shots everything. Same thing.

Saitama isn't a good example for your cause, dude. One Punch Man quite certainly follows a "wait for Saitama" formula that helps make the show interesting, along with the character interactions and comedy. It's the reason for amazing moments like the heroes' struggle against the sea king, especially with Mumen Rider. This is the very same reasoning we have some of DBZ's best moments, and DBS doesn't have that, instead opting for Goku fighting weaker fighters who he exerts little effort for, while the other cast members could have much more interesting fights with them if they were given the chance.

Yeah points like that are just silly. No one's saying Goku should be completely removed from the story, but at least when he is involved have it actually mean something and not just have him there for the hell of it. He's involved in way too many fodder fights that last way longer than they should because he's holding back. Some of those fights could have been intense and meaningful for lesser characters, but they chose to have Goku screw around with them for an episode instead or in Hit vs Dyspo's case he turned an epic battle into a faceroll.

Gokuball Super all the way!

I actually hope Freeza wins this cluster#$@& of a tournament.

[HeroR]

Maybe it's the fact that he's in our face non-stop 24/7 all the time in Super, but Goku has grown on me a lot. I was always a huge Gohan fan, way more than I was a Goku fan, but since Gohan has barely been in Super and when he has it's usually embarrassing to watch, I've grown more and more attached to Goku, despite the fact that his character is a downgrade from the one in Z.

I think the seriousness of Ultra Instinct is something that has been needed for a long, long time. Goku is too carefree, giddy, and happy in Super, and you really got to see that in the FT arc. Aside from his small rage boost after Zamasu told him how he killed his family (which was actually pretty poorly done, the dialogue was just as hammy as you could get) Goku was just... an idiot. Forgetting things, acting like a child more than he usually does, and his reaction to the devastation of Trunks' world is... nonexistent. Actually, he seemed pretty happy about the whole thing (although everyone else was too... what a weird ending!)

So now that he's displayed some seriousness which has been lacking for basically the entirety of Super, Goku is starting to feel like himself again. People are getting SSJ on Namek vibes for a good reason.

Goku was serious in the Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' retellings, and the Champa Saga had no real stakes. As for the Future Trunks Saga, although Goku has some childish moments, he was serious when Trunks returned in 49 and 48, and was dead serious against Black and Zamasu in 56-57. You also had him ready to save Gowasu in 59 when Beerus and Whis were watching events unfold. Then we had him serious all thought 61-67.

And Goku only forgot the Senzu. With the seal for the Evil Containment Wave, Roshi didn't give it to him despite Goku talking to him for several minutes before leaving.

[Asura]

Maybe it's the fact that he's in our face non-stop 24/7 all the time in Super, but Goku has grown on me a lot. I was always a huge Gohan fan, way more than I was a Goku fan, but since Gohan has barely been in Super and when he has it's usually embarrassing to watch, I've grown more and more attached to Goku, despite the fact that his character is a downgrade from the one in Z.

I think the seriousness of Ultra Instinct is something that has been needed for a long, long time. Goku is too carefree, giddy, and happy in Super, and you really got to see that in the FT arc. Aside from his small rage boost after Zamasu told him how he killed his family (which was actually pretty poorly done, the dialogue was just as hammy as you could get) Goku was just... an idiot. Forgetting things, acting like a child more than he usually does, and his reaction to the devastation of Trunks' world is... nonexistent. Actually, he seemed pretty happy about the whole thing (although everyone else was too... what a weird ending!)

So now that he's displayed some seriousness which has been lacking for basically the entirety of Super, Goku is starting to feel like himself again. People are getting SSJ on Namek vibes for a good reason.

Goku was serious in the Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' retellings, and the Champa Saga had no real stakes. As for the Future Trunks Saga, although Goku has some childish moments, he was serious when Trunks returned in 49 and 48, and was dead serious against Black and Zamasu in 56-57. You also had him ready to save Gowasu in 59 when Beerus and Whis were watching events unfold. Then we had him serious all thought 61-67.

And Goku only forgot the Senzu. With the seal for the Evil Containment Wave, Roshi didn't give it to him despite Goku talking to him for several minutes before leaving.

He's too damn goofy in all of those arcs though. He has his serious moments but they're always outshined by the amount of goofiness and excitability that's over exaggerated in Super. He acts too much like a child.

Goku forgot the senzu, the mafuba pot in the time machine, forgot what kissing is, forgot what Rosé was called right after hearing it, and I'd say it's half his fault for forgetting that the mafuba needs a seal and he never got one.

[TheMikado]

Z Goku was no where close to being this clueless.

[PsionicWarrior]

People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku.

However while in UI Goku looks totally badass lol
It's not only the transformation, his whole expression the way he moves etc changes, you directly get when in that state he means serious business lol

[namekiansaiyan]

People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku.

However while in UI Goku looks totally badass lol
It's not only the transformation, his whole expression the way he moves etc changes, you directly get when in that state he means serious business lol

Goku hardly knows what he is doing so I can't get excited for it and I can't consider it 'badass'.

As I have said before no matter who had Ultra Instinct, they would have acted the same way

[PsionicWarrior]

As I have said before no matter who had Ultra Instinct, they would have acted the same way

Agreed but why not see it the positive way aka while in UI mode Goku actually doesn't look like the village idiot he was in FTrunks arc lol

I mean seriously aren't there enough flaws in the show already to criticize the few aspects that actually make it worth watching cheers lol

[majinwarman]

I just can't excited at all for him. People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku. Anyone would have acted the same as him and he is just a host for the actual 'cool' bit.

But at the end of the day, Dragon Ball is still Goku's life story. There is nothing that is going to change that anytime soon.

Z focused on other characters. Super has NO excuse.

But, Super has focused on other characters like Vegeta, Gohan, 17, Krillin,Trunks, even Freeza of all people. Goku may be the main character , but others have gotten more development than him. Super isn't the best, but don't say they didn't do anything for other characters.

[Asura]

I just can't excited at all for him. People say they liked him with Ultra Instinct but forget that the only good thing about it was the Ultra Instinct itself and not Goku. Anyone would have acted the same as him and he is just a host for the actual 'cool' bit.

Host? Are you talking some possession theory right now?

What I am basically saying is that the Ultra Instinct we have seen so far would have worked the exact same way no matter who had it.

Goku was not the entertainment, Ultra Instinct was.

That sounds really silly. That's like saying SSJ Goku on Namek wasn't entertaining, it was just the SSJ part, no one was actually excited for Goku. Hell you could literally say this for any and every single transformation.

[majinwarman]

Host? Are you talking some possession theory right now?

What I am basically saying is that the Ultra Instinct we have seen so far would have worked the exact same way no matter who had it.

Goku was not the entertainment, Ultra Instinct was.

That sounds really silly. That's like saying SSJ Goku on Namek wasn't entertaining, it was just the SSJ part, no one was actually excited for Goku. Hell you could literally say this for any and every single transformation.

It is like saying Superman's power is cool,but not Superman himself.