Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by emi_b7 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:24 pm

Of course not. Now that we are pretty deep into the ToP, I think it is clear these are the important characters from this arc:
-Jiren: main antagonist.
-Cabba, Kale, Caulifla, Hit: secondary protagonists/antagonists, depending on the episode.
-Ribrianne, Trio de Danger, Frost, Toppo, Dyspo and maybe the bugs: secondary antagonists (I may have forgotten someone else here).
All of those characters have a somewhat relevant place in the lore but I would only call Jiren a major part, being a main atagonist of an arc (same with Hit, but he wasn't introduced now). Maybe the U6 saiyans too but idk. The rest of those are akin to the Dodorias, Riildos and Tambourines of the series, and I wouldn't call them major.

Every other character in the ToP is fodder, gimmicky and/or an "enemy of the week" type of character. Some of them are kind of cool (say, Maji-Kayo or Obuni), others are forgettable (say, Monna or Tupper) but they are all really insignificant within DB lore.

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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by majinwarman » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:44 pm

Asura wrote:Hmm... some of them yes, most of them no. All of the U6 fighters are a major part of DBZ lore, as are U11. Maybe U10 is a major part of Dragonball lore because Gowasu and the Zamasu arc? And do the new GoDs count? Cause they're a major part of DBZ lore obviously.

And then there's Ribrianne, I guess... :|
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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by Lionel » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:56 pm

Everyone has offered a good observation. You're hard-pressed to find any fighter with meaningful development that could translate into a multi-arc participatory career outside of the U6 Saiyan girls and possibly the Pride Troopers. The studio seems more fixated on propping up a select few rather than trying to expand upon the backstory and motivations of all these multivarious faces. I think it's a good indication that many to most of them were fleeting afterthoughts that they used to give this or that character a nugget of glory, oftentimes that character in question being Goku. It's a real shame because this tournament had a very good opportunity to break open the floodgates of the multiverse and reveal the intricacies and differences of each group, their organisational structure, and their respective upbringings.

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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by TekTheNinja » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:58 am

Doctor. wrote:No, because they've all been wasted. They don't even provide any lore: why is the Yardrat in U2? He was knocked out and not ONE character wondered what he was doing outside his native universes. Of course, we, the audience, can probably assume that he teleported there or that the Yardratians were originally from U2 but the show never cared to explain.

They don't provide any interesting lore like their designs and gimmicks would make us assume, they're just there, fodder.
I honestly think Toriyama just forgot that only twin universes shared races, similar to Trunk's blue hair. :crazy:

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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by Whatever » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:20 am

TekTheNinja wrote:
Doctor. wrote:No, because they've all been wasted. They don't even provide any lore: why is the Yardrat in U2? He was knocked out and not ONE character wondered what he was doing outside his native universes. Of course, we, the audience, can probably assume that he teleported there or that the Yardratians were originally from U2 but the show never cared to explain.

They don't provide any interesting lore like their designs and gimmicks would make us assume, they're just there, fodder.
I honestly think Toriyama just forgot that only twin universes shared races, similar to Trunk's blue hair. :crazy:
Only twin universes shared races is to one of the fandom's headcanons,it was never stated in the show that only twin universes shared races,the only thing that was stated was that the twin universes have the most in common.

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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by Super_Divine_Genki » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:49 am

The answer may depend on which generation that you ask.

I wouldn't say all of them, but those that have been featured heavily in multiple episodes... sure. I would like to re-visit U9 because I'd like to know why it's depicted as a wasteland state that it's in. Isn't this the universe where Mojito resides?(I still find difficulty keeping up with some names and which characters belong to which universe :P ) Not to mention that diabolical and corrupted Kaioshin.

The U10 fighters -- I can't remember anyone that stands out other than the final fighter that Gohan eliminated. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him again. However, Gowasu resides there. And "my girl" Cus... :angel: <3 <3 <3

I'd say the Pride Troopers -- particularly Jiren and Toppo. Dyspo will be mostly remembered as that "Beerus look-alike" (all he needed was a palette swap). Plus, a Hakaishin that's a clown.

The Magical Girls from Uni2 are in. Ribrianne being repeatedly knocked away despite her efforts in establishing ever-lasting love across all existence stands out to me in a major way. :)

U6 for sure, and we'll be getting much more of them. Shueisha will not stop to keep over-selling the audience so that they can roll out those Caulifla/Kale/Kefla figurines in mass + DLC's -- look what those characters achieved in just a couple days for merchandising purposes ( :o ). Hit is a fighting stud, and I've grown to like Cabba more. I'd also like to see more of the U6 Namekseijins. Also, I have a feeling that Frost may come back with some kind of revenge plot.

U4, again, I can't remember any fighter that stands out other than that guy that transformed into that bird-monster thing. But, that rat Hakaishin resides there, so perhaps there will come a future storyline that features some of its fighters to some degree.

U3 -- eh, they're somewhat memorable I suppose. Nothing major yet.

Anyway, some major, and some minor to negligible as it stands now.
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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:57 am

I hope that inbetween arc episodes focus on other Universes apart from Universe 6.

For example they could have some of Jaco go to Universe 11 to meet the Pride tToopers to learn how to look after Universe 7 better and some others from Universe 7 could join him.

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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by The gr » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:21 am

The only one that matters are hit,cabba,kale,caulifla,toppo,dyspo,jiren to lesser extent ribrianne and the bugs,everyone else disposable.
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Re: Do you consider all the new TOP fighters to be a major part of Dragonball lore?

Post by TekTheNinja » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:43 pm

Whatever wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote:
Doctor. wrote:No, because they've all been wasted. They don't even provide any lore: why is the Yardrat in U2? He was knocked out and not ONE character wondered what he was doing outside his native universes. Of course, we, the audience, can probably assume that he teleported there or that the Yardratians were originally from U2 but the show never cared to explain.

They don't provide any interesting lore like their designs and gimmicks would make us assume, they're just there, fodder.
I honestly think Toriyama just forgot that only twin universes shared races, similar to Trunk's blue hair. :crazy:
Only twin universes shared races is to one of the fandom's headcanons,it was never stated in the show that only twin universes shared races,the only thing that was stated was that the twin universes have the most in common.
I'm like 99% sure that was a stated thing bruv.

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