Whatever wrote:
Yeah remember how well the Champa arc worked in the manga by treating every other character outside of Vegeta worse than the anime?
After all Toyotaro is so well known for treating other characters than Goku and Vegeta so well.
On the bright side Goku is treating Gohan in the manga how he should have always been treated.
Something you missed
I would rather wait and see, the manga has always delivered to my expectations..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
CJStriker_CBR wrote:Honestly fusion looks are never that unique looking and she was spoiled long ago, Kefla, in the opening, so not much to hide in looks IMO.
We're still saying that's Kafla in the opening? The hairstyle doesn't fit. It can only be Kale.
I would rather wait and see, the manga has always delivered to my expectations..
But you also said later
Ki Breaker wrote:
I would rather wait and see, the manga has always delivered to my expectations..
Even if some of them fall off in the background there is no way the whole tournament can be shown with this handful of fighters, many will get to shine..
Either way it's fine, Gohan is in there one way or the other
when thats what happened in the Champa in both versions of the story and the manga managed to treat the participants(outside of cheapening Hit's victory to ponder to Vegeta fans) worse than the anime did.
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Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Tempered expectations are a need-be when it comes to Super, including the manga. We all saw how Piccolo's involvement with the Champa tournament panned out. Don't forget Trunks' largely passive supplementary role in the arc named after him (it was more believable and grounded, but still demonstrated a lacklustre function in respect to what the title of the arc was implying). It's likely that a good number of the characters on the poster for the promotion of the ToP manga arc will have relatively tame roles. It might pan out in a way that makes us realise that the anime was more considerate of those extra cast members than the manga was; even though the manga is likely to be more cohesive and realistic.
Whatever wrote:
when thats what happened in the Champa in both versions of the story and the manga managed to treat the participants(outside of cheapening Hit's victory to ponder to Vegeta fans) worse than the anime did.
Naah, Toyo is gonna treat everyone just fine and the way they should be..
If a character "jobbing" makes sense but it makes people sad and hurt there emotions, so be it, logic over baseless emotions, that applies to every character..
Besides, Toyo has himself stated he wants every character to shine, you may not like they way they do shine but that's on you, not the man's fault as a whole..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Whatever wrote:
when thats what happened in the Champa in both versions of the story and the manga managed to treat the participants(outside of cheapening Hit's victory to ponder to Vegeta fans) worse than the anime did.
Naah, Toyo is gonna treat everyone just fine and the way they should be..
It depends in the script,I know for certain kale,Jiren,caulifla and Roshi will be important here,no one can't deny that as for other ehh,AT did brought these characters for a reason.
Whatever wrote:
when thats what happened in the Champa in both versions of the story and the manga managed to treat the participants(outside of cheapening Hit's victory to ponder to Vegeta fans) worse than the anime did.
Naah, Toyo is gonna treat everyone just fine and the way they should be..
If a character "jobbing" makes sense but it makes people sad and hurt there emotions, so be it, logic over baseless emotions, that applies to every character..
And whats exactly the way they should be treated?
If a character 'jobbing' makes sense then why did he go out of his way to find a convoluted reason to cheapen Hit's victory so he could pander to Vegeta fans?
He put his baseless emotions over logic in that case.
Besides, Toyo has himself stated he wants every character to shine, you may not like they way they do shine but that's on you, not the man's fault as a whole..
The point is they don't shine,also Toriyama stated that he wanted Vegeta to have a central role in the next movie and we all know what happened.
I mean you don't have to try hard to see for example that Frost had no valid reason to use the poison needle on Piccolo in the manga but no it was extremely important to try to justify another Vegeta jobbing moment.
Whatever wrote:
when thats what happened in the Champa in both versions of the story and the manga managed to treat the participants(outside of cheapening Hit's victory to ponder to Vegeta fans) worse than the anime did.
Naah, Toyo is gonna treat everyone just fine and the way they should be..
If a character "jobbing" makes sense but it makes people sad and hurt there emotions, so be it, logic over baseless emotions, that applies to every character..
And whats exactly the way they should be treated?
If a character 'jobbing' makes sense then why did he go out of his way to find a convoluted reason to cheapen Hit's victory so he could pander to Vegeta fans?
He put his baseless emotions over logic in that case.
Besides, Toyo has himself stated he wants every character to shine, you may not like they way they do shine but that's on you, not the man's fault as a whole..
The point is they don't shine.
I mean you don't have to try hard to see for example that Frost had no valid reason to use the poison needle on Piccolo in the manga but no it was extremely important to try to justify another Vegeta jobbing moment.
Nope, nope and nope!
It's pretty easy to tell you are not able to grasp my explanations and differ on core logic, I explained it the best I can already..
The gr wrote:
It depends in the script,I know for certain kale,Jiren,caulifla and Roshi will be important here,no one can't deny that as for other ehh,AT did brought these characters for a reason.
Yeah, very curious to see if the Mafuba was actually meant to be used so many times as well..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Whatever wrote:
when thats what happened in the Champa in both versions of the story and the manga managed to treat the participants(outside of cheapening Hit's victory to ponder to Vegeta fans) worse than the anime did.
Naah, Toyo is gonna treat everyone just fine and the way they should be..
If a character "jobbing" makes sense but it makes people sad and hurt there emotions, so be it, logic over baseless emotions, that applies to every character..
And whats exactly the way they should be treated?
If a character 'jobbing' makes sense then why did he go out of his way to find a convoluted reason to cheapen Hit's victory so he could pander to Vegeta fans?
He put his baseless emotions over logic in that case.
Besides, Toyo has himself stated he wants every character to shine, you may not like they way they do shine but that's on you, not the man's fault as a whole..
The point is they don't shine,also Toriyama stated that he wanted Vegeta to have a central role in the next movie and we all know what happened.
I mean you don't have to try hard to see for example that Frost had no valid reason to use the poison needle on Piccolo in the manga but no it was extremely important to try to justify another Vegeta jobbing moment.
Well Goku needed to be 10x stronger than Vegeta in his fight with hit, don't everyone find the parallel of ssbkx10 with chapter 13
Some of the secondary Character in the manga shine not in u6,that is not a good example.
TheDipDap1234 wrote:preview images for episode 117
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Zirloin looks so cool in that group shot. It sucks that he's going to be fodder.
He will join a long list of wasted characters.
I will never understand why Toriyama decided to have so few prominent new characters in this arc.
Because, its significantly easier to write? Why do we still have these questions after 20 years of interviews where the man literally replied to almost every question asked about why he did stuff, it was always I'm lazy.
Its why they barely use tactics or teamwork its way easier to write it this way.
Big Chief wrote:
Zirloin looks so cool in that group shot. It sucks that he's going to be fodder.
He will join a long list of wasted characters.
I will never understand why Toriyama decided to have so few prominent new characters in this arc.
Because, its significantly easier to write? Why do we still have these questions after 20 years of interviews where the man literally replied to almost every question asked about why he did stuff, it was always I'm lazy.
Its why they barely use tactics or teamwork its way easier to write it this way.
He has a completely different work situation right now as he has a lot more time to come up with things.
namekiansaiyan wrote:
He will join a long list of wasted characters.
I will never understand why Toriyama decided to have so few prominent new characters in this arc.
Because, its significantly easier to write? Why do we still have these questions after 20 years of interviews where the man literally replied to almost every question asked about why he did stuff, it was always I'm lazy.
Its why they barely use tactics or teamwork its way easier to write it this way.
He has a completely different work situation right now as he has a lot more time to come up with things.
That has nothing to do with it. Toriyama chose that route in the past not because he was strained for time but because it takes him less effort.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
If she's allowed to take one of the Kamikaze Fireballs down with her then I would say that's a very generous benefaction for her. She's already played a significant role in the defeats of multiple Pride Troopers, several of Universe 4's contestants in tandem with Krillin, as well as one from the late Universe 9. As it stands, she has one of the best records of her team in the competition so far. I personally hope this is her prime moment because once she's earned a good effort of collaboration with her brother I'm not sure how much farther you can take the character under these circumstances. Plus, you have others from the group that are in desperate need for some worthwhile screentime with not a lot of options left.
If she's allowed to take one of the Kamikaze Fireballs down with her then I would say that's a very generous benefaction for her. She's already played a significant role in the defeats of multiple Pride Troopers, several of Universe 4's contestants in tandem with Krillin, as well as one from the late Universe 9. As it stands, she has one of the best records of her team in the competition so far. I personally hope this is her prime moment because once she's earned a good effort of collaboration with her brother I'm not sure how much farther you can take the character under these circumstances. Plus, you have others from the group that are in desperate need for some worthwhile screentime with not a lot of options left.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Androids get Rozie, Ribrianne and the Bugs while Piccolo and Gohan get Saonel, Pirina and Robots.
Vegeta and Frieza get Dyspo and Toppo while Goku obviously has Jiren.
If she's allowed to take one of the Kamikaze Fireballs down with her then I would say that's a very generous benefaction for her. She's already played a significant role in the defeats of multiple Pride Troopers, several of Universe 4's contestants in tandem with Krillin, as well as one from the late Universe 9. As it stands, she has one of the best records of her team in the competition so far. I personally hope this is her prime moment because once she's earned a good effort of collaboration with her brother I'm not sure how much farther you can take the character under these circumstances. Plus, you have others from the group that are in desperate need for some worthwhile screentime with not a lot of options left.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Androids get Rozie, Ribrianne and the Bugs while Piccolo and Gohan get Saonel, Pirina and Robots.
Vegeta and Frieza get Dyspo and Toppo while Goku obviously has Jiren.
To be honest, I would rather see some of the other universes actually have a meaningful presence by fighting each other in conjunction with Universe 7. We know that this isn't liable to happen because selective focus on a particular few is more interesting than potential exposure of these other characters who are all fighting in the same event as U7.
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