Super Episode 117 (26 November 2017)

[Nickolaidas]

Ribrianne is an Innocent Superhero character that is Young and Still learning her place in the world. She has never done anything wrong, evil or hurt anyone. She never committed any SIN to Justify this Weird Hate I can think of!

Please refrain yourself from shoving your headcanon into our throats. It's embarrassing.

That said, the hate comments the particular character gets on YouTube (and heck, even here) is a 50-50 mixed bag.

I agree with God-Kaio-Ken somewhat. A good portion of the hate these four female characters get could possibly *be* because of sexism.

Lets ask ourselves the following things:

Is Gotenks so universally hated as Kefla? If not, why? Isn't he also acting like an arrogant spoiled brat? Didn't he also effortlessly reached the Big Bad's power level without actually breaking a sweat? So why is Kefla any different?

Why was 18 loved for kicking Vegeta's ass but Caulifla is hated for (somewhat) giving Goku a run for his money?

Why was Vegeta praised for fighting Frieza back on Namek despite doing the same things Caulifla did (praising his own self while doing absolutely nothing to hurt the Big Bad)?

So yeah, it's kinda sexist in my eyes. It's almost as if we men consider bragging a male-only thing. Which is why Vegeta and Gotenks seem to be getting a free pass (when they brag incessantly), while Caulifla and Kefla catch hell for it by the fandom. If a woman can't walk the walk, she mustn't talk the talk. Which is *probably* why 18 is loved. She talks little and lets her actions speak for her. This is a kind of attitude that men seem to admire in women, which is why 18 is loved by fans (or at least, tolerated).

This is my opinion, of course. A psychologist I'm not.

[PsionicWarrior]

So yeah, it's kinda sexist in my eyes.

What are you talking about people don't like Ribrianne because she's annoying end of story lol
18 actually is awesome and Super is doing a great job with her lol

[CJStriker_CBR]

Please refrain yourself from shoving your headcanon into our throats. It's embarrassing.

That said, the hate comments the particular character gets on YouTube (and heck, even here) is a 50-50 mixed bag.

I agree with God-Kaio-Ken somewhat. A good portion of the hate these four female characters get could possibly *be* because of sexism.

Lets ask ourselves the following things:

Is Gotenks so universally hated as Kefla? If not, why? Isn't he also acting like an arrogant spoiled brat? Didn't he also effortlessly reached the Big Bad's power level without actually breaking a sweat? So why is Kefla any different?

Why was 18 loved for kicking Vegeta's ass but Caulifla is hated for (somewhat) giving Goku a run for his money?

Why was Vegeta praised for fighting Frieza back on Namek despite doing the same things Caulifla did (praising his own self while doing absolutely nothing to hurt the Big Bad)?

So yeah, it's kinda sexist in my eyes. It's almost as if we men consider bragging a male-only thing. Which is why Vegeta and Gotenks seem to be getting a free pass (when they brag incessantly), while Caulifla and Kefla catch hell for it by the fandom. If a woman can't walk the walk, she mustn't talk the talk. Which is *probably* why 18 is loved. She talks little and lets her actions speak for her. This is a kind of attitude that men seem to admire in women, which is why 18 is loved by fans (or at least, tolerated).

This is my opinion, of course. A psychologist I'm not.

I Apologize, that Honestly was not my intent, it was just my observation of the events and story I witness up to 117, trying to clarify why and the events that lead to this hate and trying to say I did not find an in-story reason.

However Still Apologize if it seem that way, I should have been more clear on that.

[Nickolaidas]

I completely understand - it's just that your love for the character is getting you on some weird territory. Trust me, I've been there.

[Nickolaidas]

So yeah, it's kinda sexist in my eyes.

What are you talking about people don't like Ribrianne because she's annoying end of story lol
18 actually is awesome and Super is doing a great job with her lol

Ribrianne *is* annoying, but I was mostly talking about the U6 female Saiyans. The hate they get is unreasonable once you start thinking about it - when you compare them to male U7 Saiyan braggarts.

[Doctor.]

Is Gotenks so universally hated as Kefla? If not, why?

Nostalgia; he wasn't around for as much time; his power was brand new and didn't break any rules; he had cool abilities; his power jump wasn't as huge.

So why is Kefla any different?

She's new. Did you miss all the rage about Trunks' power-ups last arc? Only reason people don't hate the character, and instead just hate his power-ups, is because he was already an established member of the cast with a huge fanbase. If he was a new character whose worth is only tied to his strength like Caulifla/Kale/Kefla, then he'd be equally hated.

Why was 18 loved for kicking Vegeta's ass but Caulifla is hated for (somewhat) giving Goku a run for his money?

Nostalgia once again. But if we ignore the fact that most people saw the show as kids and look at the narrative structure, then Vegeta deserved it for being Cell arc Vegeta. Goku had just gotten out of a big fight and was incredibly tired. Teaming up on a weakened opponent is scummy.

Why was Vegeta praised for fighting Frieza back on Namek despite doing the same things Caulifla did (praising his own self while doing absolutely nothing to hurt the Big Bad)?

Vegeta was a villain in the previous arc and he was making his transition to anti-hero. Caulifla is being portrayed as a good girl, albeit feisty, through and through. Let's not forget that Vegeta puts his pride aside by the time his fight ends and begs Goku for help. What does Caulifla do? She yells at Son Goku angrily and tells him she's gonna beat him.

So yeah, it's kinda sexist in my eyes. It's almost as if we men consider bragging a male-only thing. Which is why Vegeta and Gotenks seem to be getting a free pass (when they brag incessantly), while Caulifla and Kefla catch hell for it by the fandom.

No, they're just bad characters with poor development. It's absurd you try to compare Vegeta, who has had several arcs of organic development, to Caulifla and Kale who already left a sour taste in everyone's mouth after their introduction and that only worsened after their poor, generic and rushed character arcs.

If a woman can't walk the walk, she mustn't talk the talk. Which is *probably* why 18 is loved. She talks little and lets her actions speak for her. This is a kind of attitude that men seem to admire in women, which is why 18 is loved by fans (or at least, tolerated).

That's not a very good observation considering the fanbase loves Z Videl and blonde Launch who are just as feisty as Caulifla, only not annoying.

[CJStriker_CBR]

I completely understand - it's just that your love for the character is getting you on some weird territory. Trust me, I've been there.

I know that place to well from past experience with other topics, so trust me I try to stay away from it. It just hard to explain that in posting at times, you feel like you need to give out instructions at times that that is not your intention and you get the it all being fiction.

[PsionicWarrior]

Ribrianne *is* annoying, but I was mostly talking about the U6 female Saiyans. The hate they get is unreasonable once you start thinking about it - when you compare them to male U7 Saiyan braggarts.

I've said it many times already but the reason for that is that we are fond of Z characters so they matter to us, Kale and Caulifla just popped up with nothing going for them except repetitive Broly fan-service lol
Had they made a few filler episodes featuring them they wouldn't be that rejected, I feel Ribrianne is getting a lot more hate than the other two tho lol

[mfwlegend3]

considering the fanbase loves Z Videl and blonde Launch who are just as feisty as Caulifla, only not annoying.

That's because most dudes find those characters attractive and have so since they were kids. Waifu favoritism.

[Nickolaidas]

Videl and Launch never claimed they can beat the protagonist and be #1. They were feisty but recognized the status quo.

Or, you know what? I shouldn't talk for Videl, because I haven't watched the eps. I've only quickly read the manga version of the Buu saga. I remember her always looking angry and demanding Gohan to train her, but changing quite a bit by the time of the tournament (and I remember her fighting Spopovich in a way that lifted her as a character, rather than demote her).

Launch was a gag character and never really realized what she doing or where she was until the red ribbon saga.

[LightBing]

I mostly have good things to say about this episode.

The fighting was pretty good. Teamwork is always great to watch specially when we are rewarded with results; I specially like the sequence against Big Brianne.
Vegeta being himself was amusing. Poor guy who decided to fight him.
I hope we aren't getting another "Goku is recovering his stamina for 8 episodes and learns more about Ultra Instinct" again.

The interaction between the siblings and focusing on #18 and Kuririn's love for each other was great. It's very un-dragon ball like.

Ribrianne's character..., ever since she was introduced I liked her concept. In her first major episode I loved her - pun intended. All goes down from there until this episode, after the episode I mentioned she appeared often to be a nuisance without substance, aggravated by her scratched disk speech about love.
Leaving the character hanging for weeks in a repeating and not very flattering state won't get the character many fans.

I liked her in this episode, she came full circle. She and her companions seem to also be inspired by idols. Their love is adoration, that's why Brianne powered up by being cheered on. It's as if she was performing on a concert.
Opposing this to actual love felt weird to me. It felt like they just used the chance to mix it with #18 storyline and get some kind of moral out of it.

All and all she's one of the most interesting characters in the tournament. Her attacks and transformations are extravagant and unique. It's a shame the anime writers didn't do her any favours.

[Doctor.]

considering the fanbase loves Z Videl and blonde Launch who are just as feisty as Caulifla, only not annoying.

That's because most dudes find those characters attractive and have so since they were kids. Waifu favoritism.

While I agree that Videl and Launch are garbage characters and most people like them because of, as you put it, "waifu favoritism", that also applies to Caulifla, so I don't see your point.

[PsionicWarrior]

considering the fanbase loves Z Videl and blonde Launch who are just as feisty as Caulifla, only not annoying.

That's because most dudes find those characters attractive and have so since they were kids. Waifu favoritism.

ChiChi and Bulma are both attractive yet they can be really annoying too lol

[HeroR]

considering the fanbase loves Z Videl and blonde Launch who are just as feisty as Caulifla, only not annoying.

That's because most dudes find those characters attractive and have so since they were kids. Waifu favoritism.

Plus neither of these females were powerful, which seems where a lot of the 'offense' comes from for some of the female characters and a lot of the fanbase don't know who is Launch.

considering the fanbase loves Z Videl and blonde Launch who are just as feisty as Caulifla, only not annoying.

That's because most dudes find those characters attractive and have so since they were kids. Waifu favoritism.

ChiChi and Bulma are both attractive yet they can be really annoying too lol

We also have people who really don't like Bulma and especially Chi-Chi. So this probably isn't the best argument.

[Spider-Man]

This episode was ok

The Good

-#17 and #18 Interaction and Team up where the highlight of this episode,I really enjoy #18 in this episode she was really cool and the way she eliminated ribrianne by the true power of love was great.

-Vegeta try to master UI but end up getting beat up by Katopesla was really funny.

-Zeno imitating Rozie was so cute speaking of rozie,I was so gutted when she got eliminated,out of the three Magical Girls she is my favorite.

-The scene Where Brianne understand True love was nice and she takes her defeat like a champ and I hope to see more her in the future.

The Bad

-Wow Ribrianne is another fodder character that did nothing impressive and her new transformation look really lazy as well ugly,I guess all Universe are waiting line for U7

-The fact Goku is gonna recover his stamina again

Overall this episode was ok and it seems that Both U2 and 6 are going to get erased in the NEP.

[PsionicWarrior]

That's because most dudes find those characters attractive and have so since they were kids. Waifu favoritism.

ChiChi and Bulma are both attractive yet they can be really annoying too lol

We also have people who really don't like Bulma and especially Chi-Chi. So this probably isn't the best argument.

Indeedweedly waifu not so much lol

[Doctor.]

Plus neither of these females were powerful, which seems where a lot of the 'offense' comes from for some of the female characters and a lot of the fanbase don't know who is Launch.

That's not an argument either. Nobody dislikes Vados or Cus.

The sooner people realize people dislike some female characters because they're *gasp* bad characters, the better.

[Nickolaidas]

She's new. Did you miss all the rage about Trunks' power-ups last arc?

Actually, yes. I did miss it.

Why was Vegeta praised for fighting Frieza back on Namek despite doing the same things Caulifla did (praising his own self while doing absolutely nothing to hurt the Big Bad)?

Vegeta was a villain in the previous arc and he was making his transition to anti-hero. Caulifla is being portrayed as a good girl, albeit feisty, through and through. Let's not forget that Vegeta puts his pride aside by the time his fight ends and begs Goku for help. What does Caulifla do? She yells at Son Goku angrily and tells him she's gonna beat him.

But doesn't that apply to the U6 female Saiyans as well? They're not heroes, they're here to annihilate the U7 universe via elimination and Caulifla basically swore revenge at Goku when she lost. In a way, in THIS arc, she's a bad guy. No better than Saiyan arc Vegeta.

No, they're just bad characters with poor development. It's absurd you try to compare Vegeta, who has had several arcs of organic development, to Caulifla and Kale who already left a sour taste in everyone's mouth after their introduction and that only worsened after their poor, generic and rushed character arcs.

I compared Namek saga Vegeta with ToP saga Caulifla and Kefla. He wasn't as 'developed' back then as he is now. And lets face it, the majority of DB characters are shallow and undeveloped. We have to literally use headcanon most of the time to fill the blanks on their personalities and desires. Or did the majority of the fandom had it coming that Krillin would become a cop?

If a woman can't walk the walk, she mustn't talk the talk. Which is *probably* why 18 is loved. She talks little and lets her actions speak for her. This is a kind of attitude that men seem to admire in women, which is why 18 is loved by fans (or at least, tolerated).

That's not a very good observation considering the fanbase loves Z Videl and blonde Launch who are just as feisty as Caulifla, only not annoying.

But they never 'threatened' Goku and co's power levels.

[HeroR]

Plus neither of these females were powerful, which seems where a lot of the 'offense' comes from for some of the female characters and a lot of the fanbase don't know who is Launch.

That's not an argument either. Nobody dislikes Vados or Cus.

The sooner people realize people dislike some female characters because they're *gasp* bad characters, the better.

I have seen people dislike Vados for several reasons and Cus is kinda of there. People honestly forgot she exists. So, I'm not sure why you're using the broad 'nobody dislike' these character, which is factually untrue.

And I never claimed that all dislike for character have to do with them being females. But it's naive to think that there isn't some sexist involved in some of the hate. Especially when a lot of criticism can be made by other characters, yet they don't get half the hate or are even beloved for their negative traits like Vegeta in his arrogance.

[BrolyKale]

This episode was ayt. I really liked Ribrianne and C-18+Krillin moment was so adorable.