I love the fact that U7 is dominating the tournament

[HeroR]

If a character wins a fight, or has the potential to win a fight easily because they did X amount of training, then what is their to keep the audience invested if their is no real tension or stakes in the fight or isn't character motivated in any way? You can still have fights where the hero wins easily, but those fights need to drive or demonstrate character motivation or growth in some respect, otherwise they just feel like a cheap waste of time. The amount of development you get before a fight is important, however, unless they actually utilize the characterization within that fight for a reason why they won, just having the character destroy other characters because its "cool" isn't entertaining and no, it doesn't feel earned

Most of the time it's because that person attacked them, not the other way around. And fights can just be fun.

Plus, tension is really overrated, especially in Dragon Ball.

[GodKaio-Ken]

If a character wins a fight, or has the potential to win a fight easily because they did X amount of training, then what is their to keep the audience invested if their is no real tension or stakes in the fight or isn't character motivated in any way? You can still have fights where the hero wins easily, but those fights need to drive or demonstrate character motivation or growth in some respect, otherwise they just feel like a cheap waste of time. The amount of development you get before a fight is important, however, unless they actually utilize the characterization within that fight for a reason why they won, just having the character destroy other characters because its "cool" isn't entertaining and no, it doesn't feel earned

Most of the time it's because that person attacked them, not the other way around. And fights can just be fun.

Plus, tension is really overrated, especially in Dragon Ball.

Especially since from the moment we saw Jiren all tension not including him became fake tension in a sense.

[HeroR]

If a character wins a fight, or has the potential to win a fight easily because they did X amount of training, then what is their to keep the audience invested if their is no real tension or stakes in the fight or isn't character motivated in any way? You can still have fights where the hero wins easily, but those fights need to drive or demonstrate character motivation or growth in some respect, otherwise they just feel like a cheap waste of time. The amount of development you get before a fight is important, however, unless they actually utilize the characterization within that fight for a reason why they won, just having the character destroy other characters because its "cool" isn't entertaining and no, it doesn't feel earned

Most of the time it's because that person attacked them, not the other way around. And fights can just be fun.

Plus, tension is really overrated, especially in Dragon Ball.

Especially since from the moment we saw Jiren all tension not including him became fake tension in a sense.

That too. You have this guy who can ring out the entire tournament by blinking and he's doing shit.

[Liquir]

It seems Shin Uchiha's Idea from Narutoverse is also implemented in DBS, or at least in terms of strength. Conflict is needed in order to move forward, and without conflict there will be no improvement or just insufficient improvement. U7 fighters had much conflicts and were forced to become this strong. Same can be said about U11 who also has daily battles with Villains and all other strong characters from some of the other Universes who in some way were forced to improve because otherwise they would fail or even die.
On the other hand, Beings in Universes who had much peace, were not forced to train hard and grow in strength, thus they remained same in strength and felled behind.

[BlueBasilisk]

Especially since from the moment we saw Jiren all tension not including him became fake tension in a sense.

And this has become a huge problem, especially since the special showed us what Jiren is capable of. The build is toward a UI Goku/Jiren rematch and everything else between feels like video game padding. Goku has to kill all the sub-bosses before the final boss will face him. And it's compounded by the lack of a compelling reason for Jiren to just sit on his ass and not defend his Universe except that there wouldn't be a plot if he wasn't acting the fool.

[precita]

Which is better. We know Jiren could one-shot everyone else in the tournament if he actually did anything. Did you want to see Jiren take out 50+ characters in one attack? Hell no.

Let Jiren stand aside till the time is right.

[BlueBasilisk]

Which is better. We know Jiren could one-shot everyone else in the tournament if he actually did anything. Did you want to see Jiren take out 50+ characters in one attack? Hell no.

Let Jiren stand aside till the time is right.

So don't make him so strong, or have other strong fighters that can keep him occupied in the meantime, or have him voice some kind of moral objection to the situation and he only acts when his hand is forced. There are lots of ways to handle the situation besides 'the plot isn't ready for that fight yet.' Him being there the whole time bu5 refusing to fight just because drags down the whole plot.

And at this point? Yes. I would pay good money to see Jiren wipe the remaining 20-odd fighters off the field as opposed to another 8+ weeks of Goku and co screwing around with more trash fighters. Because that's what most of them have and probably will amount to. Fodder trash.

[The gr]

So don't make him so strong, or have other strong fighters that can keep him occupied in the meantime, or have him voice some kind of moral objection to the situation and he only acts when his hand is forced. There are lots of ways to handle the situation besides 'the plot isn't ready for that fight yet.' Him being there the whole time bu5 refusing to fight just because drags down the whole plot.

And at this point? Yes. I would pay good money to see Jiren wipe the remaining 20-odd fighters off the field as opposed to another 8+ weeks of Goku and co screwing around with more trash fighters. Because that's what most of them have and probably will amount to. Fodder trash.

If only they used this excuse to have jiren to not attack the other universes instead of screw everyone i'm strong so i don't care for everyone.What is the point of keeping these fodder trash in the ring so long.

[BlueBasilisk]

If only they used this excuse to have jiren to not attack the other universes instead of screw everyone i'm strong so i don't care for everyone.What is the point of keeping these fodder trash in the ring so long.

The explanation from the manga would have worked perfectly with the groundwork they've lain in this arc and Goku keeps antagonizing U11 so there's even a reason to still have them fight it out. Maybe they're saving that until a later reveal so that the twist is that Jiren was actually a really good guy all along. The set-up is in place if the writers want to go that direction. But what Jiren is doing right now would be like Frieza fighting Super Saiyan Goku himself then suddenly deciding Ginyu and Burter can handle things from there. It really calls his intelligence into question.

[precita]

Today's episode made Universe 7's domination even more blatantly obvious.

Both Universe 2 and 6 being eliminated in the same episode, and Gohan/Piccolo especially dominating the two Nameks even after they fused with everyone on their planet.

Universe 7 MVP, go go! Oorah! Oorrah!

[ulitmax999]

This is getting lamer (as if it wasn't lame already) and REALLY annoying.


Might as well make this snooze tournament into a special match which is U7 vs the rest of fodders.

[precita]

Universe 7 rules and all the other universes drool! LOL.

In all seriousness I wonder if those bugs and the last U4 characters will even pose a direct threat. We know at least one U7 character will lose next ep, but I wonder if they're not physically strong. The mouse god does seem smug for only having 3 characters left.

[Cipher]

Which is better. We know Jiren could one-shot everyone else in the tournament if he actually did anything. Did you want to see Jiren take out 50+ characters in one attack? Hell no.

Let Jiren stand aside till the time is right.

I would like the story to not be written in such a way that it requires Jiren sitting out the fight for no justifiable reason.

Hit could have kept him in his time bubble. He could need to meditate in between bouts. As pointed out above, he could voice moral objections. Other teams could scatter or guard themselves in some way, introducing more of a guerrilla element in the face of these powerhouses. There are unique abilities everywhere; something could be worked out.

Jiren deciding to sit out the next part of the tournament out of vanity, telling to Toppo and Dyspo to clear the field even though we as the viewers, and presumably they as characters, know there are still multiple risky or more powerful opponents left, is literally the stupidest approach they could take.

Like, not in that fun, Dragon Ball-stupid kind of way, where everything's absurd but the characters are still treated for the most part sincerely. It's just baffling.

[Saturnine]

Yeah, the tournament is definitely being written with a huge bias towards U7, and to a lesser extent to U6, since the authors assume these are the two universes closest to us. Thus they thought that if they wrote the universe as everyone randomly eliminating everyone else, they'd miss out on a chance to develop the U7 and U6 characters more.

[majinwarman]

Yeah, the tournament is definitely being written with a huge bias towards U7, and to a lesser extent to U6, since the authors assume these are the two universes closest to us. Thus they thought that if they wrote the universe as everyone randomly eliminating everyone else, they'd miss out on a chance to develop the U7 and U6 characters more.

What do you think they should have done?

[Saturnine]

Dunno, I'm not really complaining to be honest

[BlueBasilisk]

I do wish they'd drop that 'Goku is almost out of energy' excuse if he's just going to go Blue anyway. That's real fake tension.

I think my biggest problem with U7 being so overpowered is that they aren't fighting bad guys or henchmen this time. They steamrolled Badidi's minions in the same way but the audience doesn't give a shit about those guys because they're evil. Here the only evil guys are either skulking around on U7's team or are the two little blue assholes officiating.

[precita]

Well Universe 7 completely dominated Universe 4. Piccolo only lost out of carelessness. So U7 eliminated another universe.

It looks like U7 will defeat all of Universe 3 within the next 2 eps as well. I guess Universe 7 really are the champions, they eliminated nearly everyone.

[buutenks]

I'm enjoying the u7 domination festival. You know what made me enjoy the F Trunks genki dama sword nakama power BS thing? The fact that Zamasu still shitted on it lol. If that would have been the end of Zamasu, i would have been mad, but since Zamasu just got back even more powerful, basically crapping on the 'nakama' power allot of animes use(which i really find annoying), i really enjoyed it. With this arc its same thing, u7 is dominating, but it doesnt matter, since there is 1 person who can steam roll through them, aka Jiren, U7 could have knocked off all other fighters and have the whole 10 members team intact vs just Jiren, and without some special Intervention or who knows what, since not even Ui Goku can do much to Jiren, he would stomp them in the ground. As Itsuki(the medium demon from YYH, chapter black saga) said: 3(or 10 in this case) times 0 power is still 0 power.

[precita]

What I also like it is proves Majin Boo really was one of the most powerful beings in existence. It really wouldn't make sense that too many mortals would be on God level or above. Having only a select few like Hit, Toppo, Dyspo, etc. is fine.

Most of the other fighters seem to be either weaker than a Super Saiyan, between SSJ and SSJ2, and some on SSJ3 or Buu levels of power. But not many above.