Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Miracles]

Is that serious? So Kefla was much more than 20X stronger than Goku but could not even FOLLOW SSB KK's speed? He had this power but he was shaking with only one punch and still getting irritated? If she was being defeated, she should increase her power, but she preferred to use a distraction to attack Goku ...

AND HOW does the fact of Kefla SSJ2 supposed to be stronger than UI Goku proves that its form of REGULAR SSJ overcomes the power of Blue KK x20? One thing has no relation to the other.
Kefla SSJ2 was only a threat to UI Goku at the end, when she was exploding with rage (for being impotent against Goku), raising her Ki to the max and using her last resort, a concentrated Ki attack in laser form (all attacks of Ki surpass the power of the user himself, we saw this against Raditz, Vegeta, and Zamasu for example).
As for example, the Special Beam Cannon of Piccolo being able to kill Raditz and be several times stronger than the power level of Piccolo himself

And those final Ki attacks are STILL the power of the user themselves. Meaning Kefla had enough power to still KILL UI Goku.
That is just another fact proving Piccolo's statement was about Kefla's SSJ2 surpassing UI Goku's "former level" and NOT KKx20Blue Goku.
Which proves her SSJ was stronger than KKx20 Blue. Cause in order to match UI Goku, SSJ2 would HAVE to be on par or greater than UI. Which means her SSJ is stronger than KKx20 Blue.

This was proved by Whis statement of SSJ Kefla rivaling the bomb, Kefla not being DAMAGED by any of Goku's attacks that made a difference. So what, she couldn't keep up with Goku's speed ONE time, it made no difference in the battle. She [ forced Goku to use his best attack against her generic Ki blasts and Goku not being able to keep up with her and getting ONE SHOTTED back into normal mode with a single kick. That alone proved superiority. She did all this while not wanting the fight to stop. She was happy when Goku got back up. Goku actually tried to defeat her, being in desperation using KK Blue, putting more strain on his body. The statements and action prove that SSJ kefla =Spirit bomb > KKx20 Goku.

Anger always increases exponentially the power of the Saiyans, and that is exactly what happened to Kefla, so this was not just the power of Kefla itself ...

His last resort was a fully concentrated Ki attack being used as a laser (cutting). KI attacks concentrated in this way ALWAYS outweigh the power of the user himself and this became clear in the series.
Piccolo was much weaker than Raditz and was not able to beat him even with Goku's help, but with a Special Beam Cannon he was able to easily kill the Saiyajin.
That final attack of Kefla supposedly been able to kill Goku (only in Roshi's view) does not prove that she is level UI Goku (although that is not even the main point of the discussion).

You CONTINUE ignoring that Kefla was ONLY able to hit Goku because he attacked him in a blind spot after he lowered his guard. And she did NOT knock him out, Goku returned to his normal form for lack of energy.
In SSB he was already able to rival SSJ Kefla, he only used Kaioken because he needed to finish it quickly before his energy ran out.
It does not matter if he used Kamehameha against Kefla's Ki attacks, this technique can be used at several different power levels, this does not mean that he used a Kamehameha with full power. The superiority of Goku SSB KK over Kefla was visible, including Kefla's own reactions (annoyed that she had taken Goku's coup and surprised her when she could not keep pace with Saiyajin)

Whis speech does not match what was shown on EP 115

No, everything KKBlue Goku did to Kefla meant nothing cause she was never damaged. Kefla tags Goku ONE TIME and he got KO'd back to normal mode. His guard being down IN the middle of battle? Never stated or shown, he simply didn't see through Kefla's tactic or speed. On top of that she wasn't even trying to beat Goku and HER attack was the deciding factor that counted. Kefla's dominance was visible due to her not trying to win, with no desperation from her part. Everything Goku did FAILED and had NO LASTING effect. This shows and confirms Whis and Piccolo's statement that she is equal to the Genki Dama and stronger than former UI. I also know about Ki attacks, they are nothing but the users concentrated Ki from all their body. That still comes from the user's own power. This shows Kefla was capable of killing UI Goku cause she was just stronger than the former UI. The whole point of the discussion is based on Current UI > SSJ2 Kefla > former UI > Spirit bomb =SSJ Kefla > KKx20 Blue Goku proven with statements and feats.

[Kenneth La Torre]

An arc for a beerus vs goku rematch is actually useless. Gokus already fighting someone who is just as strong, if not stronger than beerus. Maybe an episode of them fighting, not an arc.

In those terms, somewhat of a mini arc. There is no doubt Beerus will challenge Goku after the Tournament, he is already showing some reactions pointing towards it. It will also clear misinformation and provide some power scaling in terms of Jiren and Beerus. Depending how Goku will do against Jiren Rematch in the TOP and vs Beerus Rematch we will be able ( to some degree ) establish the difference in the power levels of Jiren and Beerus.

Then we at least have to wait for the arc to be over to see if goku even wins against jiren. The manga recently opened up the possibity of jiren leaving the tournament if something does happen in his universe. So we might leave this arc with jiren not being defeated at all.
To me anyways, as soon as whis said "perhaps surpassed it" when he was comparing jiren to the level of gods of destruction, it gave me an idea of jiren being in a league of hia own, above G.O.Ds and below the angels. But we have to see more of jiren, as we havent even seen him anywhere close to full power.

Also, we saw in the manga how gods of destruction are nearly on equal terms in power, only difference is skill set. Jiren being stronger than belmod would give you an indication on how well he will fair against a god of destruction. But thats if you take the manga scaling of gods being roughly equal to each other.

[Liquir]

Then we at least have to wait for the arc to be over to see if goku even wins against jiren. The manga recently opened up the possibity of jiren leaving the tournament if something does happen in his universe. So we might leave this arc with jiren not being defeated at all.
To me anyways, as soon as whis said "perhaps surpassed it" when he was comparing jiren to the level of gods of destruction, it gave me an idea of jiren being in a league of hia own, above G.O.Ds and below the angels. But we have to see more of jiren, as we havent even seen him anywhere close to full power.

Also, we saw in the manga how gods of destruction are nearly on equal terms in power, only difference is skill set. Jiren being stronger than belmod would give you an indication on how well he will fair against a god of destruction. But thats if you take the manga scaling of gods being roughly equal to each other.

I doubt Grand Priest would let Jiren get away from the TOP. Zeno would not be pleased if his TOP is interrupted somehow and if Jiren leaves, Zeno might erase Jiren/Universe 11 on the spot. Jiren will also pursue the Super Dragon Balls Wish, which is also hinted in the anime as being the reason Jiren is there.
As me being part of over 10 Anime Forums I can assure you that there is a fan theory theory that states IIIBeerus=Quitela>/=Jiren=MUI Goku>>>Remaining Gods of Destruction III and this theory is greatly accepted by many because of the manga and the Tom an Jerry rivalry being famous in Japan and few other reasoning the fans might have.
So in these terms, it will at least clear that theory among the fans and have us realize the difference in Jiren vs Beerus to some degree.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Then we at least have to wait for the arc to be over to see if goku even wins against jiren. The manga recently opened up the possibity of jiren leaving the tournament if something does happen in his universe. So we might leave this arc with jiren not being defeated at all.
To me anyways, as soon as whis said "perhaps surpassed it" when he was comparing jiren to the level of gods of destruction, it gave me an idea of jiren being in a league of hia own, above G.O.Ds and below the angels. But we have to see more of jiren, as we havent even seen him anywhere close to full power.

Also, we saw in the manga how gods of destruction are nearly on equal terms in power, only difference is skill set. Jiren being stronger than belmod would give you an indication on how well he will fair against a god of destruction. But thats if you take the manga scaling of gods being roughly equal to each other.

I doubt Grand Priest would let Jiren get away from the TOP. Zeno would not be pleased if his TOP is interrupted somehow and if Jiren leaves, Zeno might erase Jiren/Universe 11 on the spot. Jiren will also pursue the Super Dragon Balls Wish, which is also hinted in the anime as being the reason Jiren is there.
As me being part of over 10 Anime Forums I can assure you that there is a fan theory theory that states IIIBeerus=Quitela>/=Jiren=MUI Goku>>>Remaining Gods of Destruction III and this theory is greatly accepted by many because of the manga and the Tom an Jerry rivalry being famous in Japan and few other reasoning the fans might have.
So in these terms, it will at least clear that theory among the fans and have us realize the difference in Jiren vs Beerus to some degree.

I disagree on that many agree with that hypothesis. As far as manga goes, belmod was the one who survived unscathe (despite getting hit by liquiir). Many people are agreeing that jiren is above the gods, rather than being above a couple of gods. As far as things are now, people can decide whether jiren is above or below beerus power, no one knows for sure.

[Liquir]

I disagree on that many agree with that hypothesis. As far as manga goes, belmod was the one who survived unscathe (despite getting hit by liquiir). Many people are agreeing that jiren is above the gods, rather than being above a couple of gods. As far as things are now, people can decide whether jiren is above or below beerus power, no one knows for sure.

I 'm just stating what is written among somefans on sites like ComicVine,Vsbattles, NarutoForums,Narutobase,DBZ UK, Youtube comments and few others.
I myself think they are either equal or Jiren is only slightly stronger, like 5-10% increase in Favor to Jiren, even if that. And that is why we need Beerus vs Goku to happen after the Jiren vs Goku fight, to clear misinformation..
Vermouth in my opinion is below Beerus and Quitela. His actions can have two meanings:
1) He knew he could not take out some Gods and so he pretended to be down.
2) He is like Geene in the anime, a good strategist and so he waited others to fight out and take themselves out first, be at full strength and swoop at the injured remaining Gods to take the win easily.
Also he has Toyotaro's favoritism, he has his picture on the twitter account so that can perhaps be taken in account as well.

[Noah]

Many people are agreeing that Jiren is above the Gods, rather than being above a couple of Gods. As far as things are now, people can decide whether Jiren is above or below Beerus power, no one knows for sure.

Pardon, but by people you mean who exactly?

[majinwarman]

I disagree on that many agree with that hypothesis. As far as manga goes, belmod was the one who survived unscathe (despite getting hit by liquiir). Many people are agreeing that jiren is above the gods, rather than being above a couple of gods. As far as things are now, people can decide whether jiren is above or below beerus power, no one knows for sure.

I 'm just stating what is written among somefans on sites like ComicVine,Vsbattles, NarutoForums,Narutobase,DBZ UK, Youtube comments and few others.
I myself think they are either equal or Jiren is only slightly stronger, like 5-10% increase in Favor to Jiren, even if that. And that is why we need Beerus vs Goku to happen after the Jiren vs Goku fight, to clear misinformation..
Vermouth in my opinion is below Beerus and Quitela. His actions can have two meanings:
1) He knew he could not take out some Gods and so he pretended to be down.
2) He is like Geene in the anime, a good strategist and so he waited others to fight out and take themselves out first, be at full strength and swoop at the injured remaining Gods to take the win easily.
Also he has Toyotaro's favoritism, he has his picture on the twitter account so that can perhaps be taken in account as well.

I got to side with you man. But, which God of Destruction in anime do you believe is the strongest? It is just something I like know.

[Liquir]

I got to side with you man. But, which God of Destruction in anime do you believe is the strongest? It is just something I like know.

It's really hard to determine in the anime. The 3 Gods fight yielded in deadlock and no conclusion could be established. Geene being a good prognosticator doesn't mean he is well above them. Their claiming for the Gods of the Four exempt Universes that their power is greater as well cannot be taken serious as of now. Even Champa has stated to be above Beerus which is not true as to Vados statement, but yet he continues to do claim so and act so.
Tho, it can be to some degree said Sydra to be the weakest or in the lowest tier among the Gods from some of his actions in the anime.
I personally think they will keep Beerus in the Top Tier God as to make the upcoming battle vs Goku in more suspense. And considering the Arm wrestle is also mentioned in the anime as well and the Tom and Jerry reference, Quitela will be there with Beerus, just as in the manga.

[Kenneth La Torre]

I disagree on that many agree with that hypothesis. As far as manga goes, belmod was the one who survived unscathe (despite getting hit by liquiir). Many people are agreeing that jiren is above the gods, rather than being above a couple of gods. As far as things are now, people can decide whether jiren is above or below beerus power, no one knows for sure.

I 'm just stating what is written among somefans on sites like ComicVine,Vsbattles, NarutoForums,Narutobase,DBZ UK, Youtube comments and few others.
I myself think they are either equal or Jiren is only slightly stronger, like 5-10% increase in Favor to Jiren, even if that. And that is why we need Beerus vs Goku to happen after the Jiren vs Goku fight, to clear misinformation..
Vermouth in my opinion is below Beerus and Quitela. His actions can have two meanings:
1) He knew he could not take out some Gods and so he pretended to be down.
2) He is like Geene in the anime, a good strategist and so he waited others to fight out and take themselves out first, be at full strength and swoop at the injured remaining Gods to take the win easily.
Also he has Toyotaro's favoritism, he has his picture on the twitter account so that can perhaps be taken in account as well.

I'm on those sites, I'm pretty sure (especially vs battles wiki) think jiren is above the gods. But like i said, that is just assumptions, and no one knows for sure. All we know is that the gap between gods is very miniscule and that jiren surpasses his own god. Thats it. The only think that would put jiren above the gods is if what whis said about him surpassing god level becomes true. We have to wait till he unleashes his full power.

[AvatarReiko]

How strong is GT Base Uub and how does he rank against the other Buus such as Buuhan and Kid?

[Liquir]

I'm on those sites, I'm pretty sure (especially vs battles wiki) think jiren is above the gods. But like i said, that is just assumptions, and no one knows for sure. All we know is that the gap between gods is very miniscule and that jiren surpasses his own god. Thats it. The only think that would put jiren above the gods is if what whis said about him surpassing god level becomes true. We have to wait till he unleashes his full power.

The theory itself exists, as to is it accepted by the majority or the minority is unclear. But it is mentioned by fans.
That's what I'm stating as well. And it is reason there has to be a Goku vs Beerus mini arc Rematch after the TOP and give us the final result.

[majinwarman]

I got to side with you man. But, which God of Destruction in anime do you believe is the strongest? It is just something I like know.

It's really hard to determine in the anime. The 3 Gods fight yielded in deadlock and no conclusion could be established. Geene being a good prognosticator doesn't mean he is well above them. Their claiming for the Gods of the Four exempt Universes that their power is greater as well cannot be taken serious as of now. Even Champa has stated to be above Beerus which is not true as to Vados statement, but yet he continues to do claim so and act so.
Tho, it can be to some degree said Sydra to be the weakest or in the lowest tier among the Gods from some of his actions in the anime.
I personally think they will keep Beerus in the Top Tier God as to make the upcoming battle vs Goku in more suspense. And considering the Arm wrestle is also mentioned in the anime as well and the Tom and Jerry reference, Quitela will be there with Beerus, just as in the manga.

Maybe!!

[TheSaiyanGod]

And those final Ki attacks are STILL the power of the user themselves. Meaning Kefla had enough power to still KILL UI Goku.
That is just another fact proving Piccolo's statement was about Kefla's SSJ2 surpassing UI Goku's "former level" and NOT KKx20Blue Goku.
Which proves her SSJ was stronger than KKx20 Blue. Cause in order to match UI Goku, SSJ2 would HAVE to be on par or greater than UI. Which means her SSJ is stronger than KKx20 Blue.

This was proved by Whis statement of SSJ Kefla rivaling the bomb, Kefla not being DAMAGED by any of Goku's attacks that made a difference. So what, she couldn't keep up with Goku's speed ONE time, it made no difference in the battle. She [ forced Goku to use his best attack against her generic Ki blasts and Goku not being able to keep up with her and getting ONE SHOTTED back into normal mode with a single kick. That alone proved superiority. She did all this while not wanting the fight to stop. She was happy when Goku got back up. Goku actually tried to defeat her, being in desperation using KK Blue, putting more strain on his body. The statements and action prove that SSJ kefla =Spirit bomb > KKx20 Goku.

Anger always increases exponentially the power of the Saiyans, and that is exactly what happened to Kefla, so this was not just the power of Kefla itself ...

His last resort was a fully concentrated Ki attack being used as a laser (cutting). KI attacks concentrated in this way ALWAYS outweigh the power of the user himself and this became clear in the series.
Piccolo was much weaker than Raditz and was not able to beat him even with Goku's help, but with a Special Beam Cannon he was able to easily kill the Saiyajin.
That final attack of Kefla supposedly been able to kill Goku (only in Roshi's view) does not prove that she is level UI Goku (although that is not even the main point of the discussion).

You CONTINUE ignoring that Kefla was ONLY able to hit Goku because he attacked him in a blind spot after he lowered his guard. And she did NOT knock him out, Goku returned to his normal form for lack of energy.
In SSB he was already able to rival SSJ Kefla, he only used Kaioken because he needed to finish it quickly before his energy ran out.
It does not matter if he used Kamehameha against Kefla's Ki attacks, this technique can be used at several different power levels, this does not mean that he used a Kamehameha with full power. The superiority of Goku SSB KK over Kefla was visible, including Kefla's own reactions (annoyed that she had taken Goku's coup and surprised her when she could not keep pace with Saiyajin)

Whis speech does not match what was shown on EP 115

No, everything KKBlue Goku did to Kefla meant nothing cause she was never damaged. Kefla tags Goku ONE TIME and he got KO'd back to normal mode. His guard being down IN the middle of battle? Never stated or shown, he simply didn't see through Kefla's tactic or speed. On top of that she wasn't even trying to beat Goku and HER attack was the deciding factor that counted. Kefla's dominance was visible due to her not trying to win, with no desperation from her part. Everything Goku did FAILED and had NO LASTING effect. This shows and confirms Whis and Piccolo's statement that she is equal to the Genki Dama and stronger than former UI. I also know about Ki attacks, they are nothing but the users concentrated Ki from all their body. That still comes from the user's own power. This shows Kefla was capable of killing UI Goku cause she was just stronger than the former UI. The whole point of the discussion is based on Current UI > SSJ2 Kefla > former UI > Spirit bomb =SSJ Kefla > KKx20 Blue Goku proven with statements and feats.

And you CONTINUE to ignore the whole context of the fight just to state that Kefla SSJ> SSB KK ... ignores that Vados herself said that Goku SSB full power would be dangerous to Kefla (including saying she only had chances to win because Goku was tired ), ignores that Kefla increased his power before facing the SSB KK and could not even keep up with Goku's speed, ignore that she was shaking with only one blow ... always using as a shield Whis speech (which have several interpretations ) and the supposed level of Kefla SSJ2 (which has nothing to do with this discussion). Really, it's pointless to keep arguing, this is going to be endless.

[Miracles]

Anger always increases exponentially the power of the Saiyans, and that is exactly what happened to Kefla, so this was not just the power of Kefla itself ...

His last resort was a fully concentrated Ki attack being used as a laser (cutting). KI attacks concentrated in this way ALWAYS outweigh the power of the user himself and this became clear in the series.
Piccolo was much weaker than Raditz and was not able to beat him even with Goku's help, but with a Special Beam Cannon he was able to easily kill the Saiyajin.
That final attack of Kefla supposedly been able to kill Goku (only in Roshi's view) does not prove that she is level UI Goku (although that is not even the main point of the discussion).

You CONTINUE ignoring that Kefla was ONLY able to hit Goku because he attacked him in a blind spot after he lowered his guard. And she did NOT knock him out, Goku returned to his normal form for lack of energy.
In SSB he was already able to rival SSJ Kefla, he only used Kaioken because he needed to finish it quickly before his energy ran out.
It does not matter if he used Kamehameha against Kefla's Ki attacks, this technique can be used at several different power levels, this does not mean that he used a Kamehameha with full power. The superiority of Goku SSB KK over Kefla was visible, including Kefla's own reactions (annoyed that she had taken Goku's coup and surprised her when she could not keep pace with Saiyajin)

Whis speech does not match what was shown on EP 115

No, everything KKBlue Goku did to Kefla meant nothing cause she was never damaged. Kefla tags Goku ONE TIME and he got KO'd back to normal mode. His guard being down IN the middle of battle? Never stated or shown, he simply didn't see through Kefla's tactic or speed. On top of that she wasn't even trying to beat Goku and HER attack was the deciding factor that counted. Kefla's dominance was visible due to her not trying to win, with no desperation from her part. Everything Goku did FAILED and had NO LASTING effect. This shows and confirms Whis and Piccolo's statement that she is equal to the Genki Dama and stronger than former UI. I also know about Ki attacks, they are nothing but the users concentrated Ki from all their body. That still comes from the user's own power. This shows Kefla was capable of killing UI Goku cause she was just stronger than the former UI. The whole point of the discussion is based on Current UI > SSJ2 Kefla > former UI > Spirit bomb =SSJ Kefla > KKx20 Blue Goku proven with statements and feats.

And you CONTINUE to ignore the whole context of the fight just to state that Kefla SSJ> SSB KK ... ignores that Vados herself said that Goku SSB full power would be dangerous to Kefla (including saying she only had chances to win because Goku was tired ), ignores that Kefla increased his power before facing the SSB KK and could not even keep up with Goku's speed, ignore that she was shaking with only one blow ... always using as a shield Whis speech (which can have several interpretations ) and the supposed level of Kefla SSJ2 (which has nothing to do with this discussion). Really, it's pointless to keep arguing, this is going to be endless.

You are the only one arguing the the story. The context you tried to use don't prove the action. Nothing KKBlue Goku did effected Kefla who wasn't trying to beat Goku AT ALL. So the action overrides the words of Vados. Stay consistent, you wanted action with the text.

[JazzMazz]

No, everything KKBlue Goku did to Kefla meant nothing cause she was never damaged. Kefla tags Goku ONE TIME and he got KO'd back to normal mode. His guard being down IN the middle of battle? Never stated or shown, he simply didn't see through Kefla's tactic or speed. On top of that she wasn't even trying to beat Goku and HER attack was the deciding factor that counted. Kefla's dominance was visible due to her not trying to win, with no desperation from her part. Everything Goku did FAILED and had NO LASTING effect. This shows and confirms Whis and Piccolo's statement that she is equal to the Genki Dama and stronger than former UI. I also know about Ki attacks, they are nothing but the users concentrated Ki from all their body. That still comes from the user's own power. This shows Kefla was capable of killing UI Goku cause she was just stronger than the former UI. The whole point of the discussion is based on Current UI > SSJ2 Kefla > former UI > Spirit bomb =SSJ Kefla > KKx20 Blue Goku proven with statements and feats.

And you CONTINUE to ignore the whole context of the fight just to state that Kefla SSJ> SSB KK ... ignores that Vados herself said that Goku SSB full power would be dangerous to Kefla (including saying she only had chances to win because Goku was tired ), ignores that Kefla increased his power before facing the SSB KK and could not even keep up with Goku's speed, ignore that she was shaking with only one blow ... always using as a shield Whis speech (which can have several interpretations ) and the supposed level of Kefla SSJ2 (which has nothing to do with this discussion). Really, it's pointless to keep arguing, this is going to be endless.

You are the only one arguing the the story. The context you tried to use don't prove the action. Nothing KKBlue Goku did effected Kefla who wasn't trying to beat Goku AT ALL. So the action overrides the words of Vados. Stay consistent, you wanted action with the text.

They were both going at each other full throttle and with the same intent. SSB KK's attack against Kelfa had everyone worried and that Kelfa had been defeated and it was stated by Roshi that fighting SS Kefla had pushed Kefla beyond what she would normally be able to do.

[Miracles]

And you CONTINUE to ignore the whole context of the fight just to state that Kefla SSJ> SSB KK ... ignores that Vados herself said that Goku SSB full power would be dangerous to Kefla (including saying she only had chances to win because Goku was tired ), ignores that Kefla increased his power before facing the SSB KK and could not even keep up with Goku's speed, ignore that she was shaking with only one blow ... always using as a shield Whis speech (which can have several interpretations ) and the supposed level of Kefla SSJ2 (which has nothing to do with this discussion). Really, it's pointless to keep arguing, this is going to be endless.

You are the only one arguing the the story. The context you tried to use don't prove the action. Nothing KKBlue Goku did effected Kefla who wasn't trying to beat Goku AT ALL. So the action overrides the words of Vados. Stay consistent, you wanted action with the text.

They were both going at each other full throttle and with the same intent. SSB KK's attack against Kelfa had everyone worried and that Kelfa had been defeated and it was stated by Roshi that fighting SS Kefla had pushed Kefla beyond what she would normally be able to do.

Still, Kefla wanted to keep fighting Goku so she could get stronger. She was sad when he didn't get up and was happy when he did. Whis stated that Goku was forced. Nothing Goku did made a difference. Kefla was never damaged. Goku tried to win and failed.

[TheSaiyanGod]

You are the only one arguing the the story. The context you tried to use don't prove the action. Nothing KKBlue Goku did effected Kefla who wasn't trying to beat Goku AT ALL. So the action overrides the words of Vados. Stay consistent, you wanted action with the text.

They were both going at each other full throttle and with the same intent. SSB KK's attack against Kelfa had everyone worried and that Kelfa had been defeated and it was stated by Roshi that fighting SS Kefla had pushed Kefla beyond what she would normally be able to do.

Still, Kefla wanted to keep fighting Goku so she could get stronger. She was sad when he didn't get up and was happy when he did. Whis stated that Goku was forced. Nothing Goku did made a difference. Kefla was never damaged. Goku tried to win and failed.

It does not matter if Kefla wanted to fight more against Goku or if he was saddened by his '' defeat '', this is not going to change what we saw in the fight and what levels of power were established (I do not understand why you keep quoting it).

Kefla is a Saiyajin who was extremely excited about the fight against Goku, regardless of the power the enemy had, she just wanted to get stronger and experience that power she'd never felt before (it's normal for her to get excited, like I said, will not change nothing).
Kefla was never damaged? Watch the EP again.

First, Kefla got her arms numb ONLY with a punch from Goku (Goku deflected from Ki's attacks and managed to hit her and even pushes her back):

[spoiler][/spoiler]

After she increases her Ki and tries to attack Goku again, but can not keep up with Goku's speed and takes a punch directly (it was clear the face of pain she did):

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Not only Shin, but Kyabe and Champa were also thinking that Kefla might have been defeated by that punch:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

And after she emerges from the rubble, she is breathless, scratched (before she was not) and shows difficulty in getting up:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

In the end, cornered, Kefla needed to use Ki attacks to distract Goku and catch him with low guard (even in a difficult situation, Kefla SSJ did not simply increase his Ki and overcame Goku, she did not demonstrate that power you affirm in no time , on the contrary, Champa and Vados were always worried about her facing Goku with full power)

[Miracles]

They were both going at each other full throttle and with the same intent. SSB KK's attack against Kelfa had everyone worried and that Kelfa had been defeated and it was stated by Roshi that fighting SS Kefla had pushed Kefla beyond what she would normally be able to do.

Still, Kefla wanted to keep fighting Goku so she could get stronger. She was sad when he didn't get up and was happy when he did. Whis stated that Goku was forced. Nothing Goku did made a difference. Kefla was never damaged. Goku tried to win and failed.

It does not matter if Kefla wanted to fight more against Goku or if he was saddened by his '' defeat '', this is not going to change what we saw in the fight and what levels of power were established (I do not understand why you keep quoting it).

Kefla is a Saiyajin who was extremely excited about the fight against Goku, regardless of the power the enemy had, she just wanted to get stronger and experience that power she'd never felt before (it's normal for her to get excited, like I said, will not change nothing).
Kefla was never damaged? Watch the EP again.

First, Kefla got her arms numb ONLY with a punch from Goku (Goku deflected from Ki's attacks and managed to hit her and even pushes her back):

[spoiler][/spoiler]

After she increases her Ki and tries to attack Goku again, but can not keep up with Goku's speed and takes a punch directly (it was clear the face of pain she did):

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Not only Shin, but Kyabe and Champa were also thinking that Kefla might have been defeated by that punch:

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And after she emerges from the rubble, she is breathless, scratched (before she was not) and shows difficulty in getting up:

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In the end, cornered, Kefla needed to use Ki attacks to distract Goku and catch him with low guard (even in a difficult situation, Kefla SSJ did not simply increase his Ki and overcame Goku, she did not demonstrate that power you affirm in no time , on the contrary, Champa and Vados were always worried about her facing Goku with full power)

Vados and Champa's worries mean nothing, Goku ONLY numbs, not injures the arms of a a SSJ Kefla holding back. After that, SHE powers up. Then Goku powers KK up AGAIN and hits her ONLY to cause discomfort but not impair or give him the advantage. After that attack, Kefla stated "She was FAR FROM OVER" and THEN smiles. Then she KO's Goku back to normal mode with just ONE KICK! Whis stated, just like the Genki Dama that overcame Goku and incited UI, so does Kefla's massive energy, that rivals the bomb and OVERCAME Goku with JUST ONE KICK incited UI. Stop with this bad excuse about Goku being off gaurd, Kefla TOO took a "CLEAN Blow" from Goku and didn't KO her! The statements = the feats.

[ChiefWamsutta]

So, this theory people are mentioning of merging all Erased Universes with Universe 7... If this happens wouldn't that be the End of New Powerful Villains ? There would be no villain powerful enough to defeat all Fighters. UI Goku, UI Vegeta ( UI Vegito ), Jiren, Hit, Toppo, Saiyans and many more. With their combined power no Villain would stand a chance , they could possibly overpower even an Angel with their combined power.
The Villain would literally have to be Grand Priest power level to even stand a chance.

See, what I'd bet we will get are the remaining four universes against these new strong fighters. There was a narrative purpose why they were exempt.

Plus, Universe 1 and Universe 12 are nicknamed the Supreme and Ultimate Universes. They will be fairly strong. U1 has etheric beings at their disposal. How does one even fight that?

[Liquir]

See, what I'd bet we will get are the remaining four universes against these new strong fighters. There was a narrative purpose why they were exempt.
Plus, Universe 1 and Universe 12 are nicknamed the Supreme and Ultimate Universes. They will be fairly strong. U1 has etheric beings at their disposal. How does one even fight that?

I doubt there will be any more Above God of Destruction level fighters from those Universes - (1,5,8,12).
The only possibility I see from those Universes is the same as you said, some fighters with special abilities, who are tricky to defeat and will require more than strength alone.
If another Tournament happens with those Four Universes I'd prefer more 1 v 1 fights Tournament rather then battle Royale as it is now. And not 10 but less like 3-5 best fighters from each Universe at most.