Net Neutrality and Dragon Ball

[Kamiccolo9]

Since no one seems to have mentioned this since this 2011 thread: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18683&hilit=Net+Neutrality

The big FCC vote is coming up in a couple of weeks. Anyone who has been remotely paying attention knows what a disaster this will be, but given the coverage that the media has (not) been giving it, you may not be aware. In short, in two weeks, the FCC is going to give ISPs (Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, etc.) the power to essentially control the speeds at which sites on the Internet run.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/23/net-neutr ... t-matters/

To bring this on-topic, what does this mean for Dragon Ball? Well, at the bare minimum, streaming sites such as Crunchyroll and Funimation have a chance of being affected as speeds decrease. I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, so feel free to discuss here.

[DSB]

Since no one seems to have mentioned this since this 2011 thread: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18683&hilit=Net+Neutrality

The big FCC vote is coming up in a couple of weeks. Anyone who has been remotely paying attention knows what a disaster this will be, but given the coverage that the media has (not) been giving it, you may not be aware. In short, in two weeks, the FCC is going to give ISPs (Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, etc.) the power to essentially control the speeds at which sites on the Internet run.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/23/net-neutr ... t-matters/

To bring this on-topic, what does this mean for Dragon Ball? Well, at the bare minimum, streaming sites such as Crunchyroll and Funimation have a chance of being affected as speeds decrease. I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, so feel free to discuss here.

Probably defends on if the big ISPs hate DragonBall and anime in general. Otherwise i hardly think it woudl affect us. Its an entirely foreign thing. Crunchyroll isnt even a USA thing.

[Kamiccolo9]

Probably defends on if the big ISPs hate DragonBall and anime in general. Otherwise i hardly think it woudl affect us. Its an entirely foreign thing. Crunchyroll isnt even a USA thing.

Crunchyroll is an American domain based in America run by Americans. Just because it hosts Japanese content does not make it "not a USA thing."

[dbgtFO]

Yeah this is a very big topic on Reddit with every massive subreddit imploring their community to contact their Congressman about the issue. I think someone made a program to easily fill out a form and make the Representatives aware of just how bad this really is.
As a non American I hope you guys won't get that ridiculous law put in place, as that may also something other western countries could be inspired by.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yeah this is a very big topic on Reddit with every massive subreddit imploring their community to contact their Congressman about the issue. I think someone made a program to easily fill out a form and make the Representatives aware of just how bad this really is.
As a non American I hope you guys won't get that ridiculous law put in place, as that may also something other western countries could be inspired by.

It's going to pass. No one above the age of 30 seems to care. America is far too apathetic to actually do anything about this.

[Hellspawn28]

Yeah this is a very big topic on Reddit with every massive subreddit imploring their community to contact their Congressman about the issue. I think someone made a program to easily fill out a form and make the Representatives aware of just how bad this really is.

I already call my Congressman about the issue. I'm glad that a lot of people have been trying to take action against it instead of sitting around and do nothing about it. I feel like with so many people wanting the Internet to stay free at this rate, I doubt anything bad is going to happen. I remember with SOPA, we all thought it would ruin everything and it didn't. It was thanks to millions of people standing up against SOPA to stop it.

[sintzu]

You bring up a great point about the media, with them being quite on it not many people will be aware until it's too late but even then I think most won't care enough to do or say anything which is how these companies are getting so powerful.

In terms of DB, this will negatively affect anything these providers don't like wheather it's media based like DB, political issues, religion, basic opinions, etc.

This will also spread across the world because once everyone sees America doing it and getting away with it you can be sure they'll follow.

It was thanks to millions of people standing up against SOPA to stop it.

Things have changed now. I was in a business class early this year and the first thing our teacher said was to support the companies regardless of it being in our best interest or not and after doing some research I found out that it's a pretty popular opinion nowadays. People don't think "what's good for us" but "how can we make these companies richer ?". They think that the more $$$ companies have the more people will and that's very WRONG as statistics show that companies and CEOs are getting more while everyone else are getting less.

In another class a teacher asked about who had part time jobs cause some weren't doing very well so she told them they'd have to improve or otherwise they'd be stuck with those bare minimum paying jobs and someone said that's what she wanted to do, she wanted to work at burger king for the rest of her life. We live in an era where kids are brought up to worship companies and anyone who tries to break away from that will face countless walls and obstacles to do so. It's this mindset that's allowed things like the possiblity of NN going away become a reality, something no one would've thought about 20 or so years ago.

[LightBing]

Yeah this is a very big topic on Reddit with every massive subreddit imploring their community to contact their Congressman about the issue. I think someone made a program to easily fill out a form and make the Representatives aware of just how bad this really is.
As a non American I hope you guys won't get that ridiculous law put in place, as that may also something other western countries could be inspired by.

It's going to pass. No one above the age of 30 seems to care. America is far too apathetic to actually do anything about this.

I believe there's going to be a mass protest or an attempt at one. That could alert a bunch of people who are ignorant to it and force the mainstream media to cover it. I wouldn't call it a done deal. People protesting on the streets is very different from people sending letters and making posts about it from their comfy chair. Such purpose scares people in power.

Hope you Americans can win this one out.

In regards to Dragon Ball, they could make streaming sites barely watchable. Let me imagine a scenario, Comcast and such decide to launch their on streaming platform to grab a monopoly and force you to pay much higher prices.

[sintzu]

I'm finally at 10000.

I believe there's going to be a mass protest or an attempt at one.

If this was 10 (or more) years ago then I'd fully agree but America now lives in an era where things like living pay check to pay check, barely being able to pay rent, tens of thousands dying every year from lack of health care, going into debt for life just to get an education, homeless people everywhere, etc. has become the norm.

If it came out 30 years ago that someone lost their job because of an opinion or joke then everyone would've flipped the country upside down but now ? not only is that going on everywhere but people are encouraging it.

If no one will do anything about all that, why would they this ?

[ABED]

But the internet isn't all equal. Would you say all mail is equal and that some packages shouldn't take priority over others?

We live in an era where kids are brought up to worship companies

Who? If anything, they are taught that corporations are bad and the profit motive is wrong or at the very least is questionable.

[sintzu]

But the internet isn't all equal. Would you say all mail is equal and that some packages shouldn't take priority over others?

This is one thing you don't want to argue everyone with cause trust me, if this goes through you and everyone else will pay dearly for it.

[JulieYBM]

But the internet isn't all equal. Would you say all mail is equal and that some packages shouldn't take priority over others?

The second you give away your legal power to force corporations to stay in line they will fuck you over, take your money, hide it overseas and then lie to you until you start to believe they are the victim and you an unreasonable monster.

All while you spend sixty seconds waiting for a page on Kanzenshuu to load or need to shell out extra money to be fast enough to stream videos.

[sintzu]

The second you give away your legal power to force corporations to stay in line they will fuck you over, take your money, hide it overseas and then lie to you until you start to believe they are the victim and you an unreasonable monster.

We can hope that small providers will rise from this and allow everything to be accessible but even then, will they be supported ? where I lived you'd have people buying 1$ Apples from big stores even though there were vegetable stands next to them selling a POUND for half of that.

These people would rather buy 1 Apple for a doller over an entire bag for half of that and for what ? to support the company, the company that gives nothing back to anyone.

[ABED]

The second you give away your legal power to force corporations to stay in line they will fuck you over, take your money, hide it overseas and then lie to you until you start to believe they are the victim and you an unreasonable monster.

We can hope that small providers will rise from this and allow everything to be accessible but even then, will they be supported ? where I lived you'd have people buying 1$ Apples from big stores even though there were vegetable stands next to them selling a POUND for half of that.

These people would rather buy 1 Apple for a doller over an entire bag for half of that and for what ? to support the company, the company that gives nothing back to anyone.

And if you leave people free, they do the equivalent of setting up those stands and people will be free to make that choice for themselves. Also, buying from the big chain is a better guarantee of quality than if you buy from some vendor you've never heard of. The big chain has a reputation it needs to uphold and you know what it is going in. You don't know what that street cart vendor is selling you. Still, you are free to make that decision for yourself.

The company that gives nothing back? They provided a service. They already gave you something.

[sintzu]

And if you leave people free, they do the equivalent of setting up those stands and people will be free to make that choice for themselves. Also, buying from the big chain is a better guarantee of quality than if you buy from some vendor you've never heard of. The big chain has a reputation it needs to uphold and you know what it is going in. You don't know what that street cart vendor is selling you. Still, you are free to make that decision for yourself.

The company that gives nothing back? They provided a service. They already gave you something.

This mindset right here is what's killing America.

[ABED]

And if you leave people free, they do the equivalent of setting up those stands and people will be free to make that choice for themselves. Also, buying from the big chain is a better guarantee of quality than if you buy from some vendor you've never heard of. The big chain has a reputation it needs to uphold and you know what it is going in. You don't know what that street cart vendor is selling you. Still, you are free to make that decision for yourself.

The company that gives nothing back? They provided a service. They already gave you something.

This mindset right here is what's killing America.

What, that people should be left alone to make their own decisions?

The claim is that people don't want ISP's to have the powers they do, but the reason the ISP's have monopoly powers in certain areas is because the government grants them that privilege to be the sole providers. The answer is NOT more regulation.

[sintzu]

Buying from the big chain is a better guarantee of quality than if you buy from some vendor you've never heard of.

You don't know what that street cart vendor is selling you.

The company that gives nothing back? They provided a service.

Weren't those "big chains" also small back when they started ? if we took this mindset then nothing would ever grow. Just because they're a company doesn't mean they're better. Telling people to just trust the company and dump everything else is what's hurting the country cause it makes it harder for people to get into a market and be competative.

Never mind the fact that they're legal, regulated, in the open and been there for years but somehow no company name=bad and company name=good.

Do you work for one ?

[rereboy]

Internet access for a modern life is a matter of human rights. In modern life, it's essential for study, commerce, banking, policy, taxes, you name it. As such, it should be viewed as a matter of human rights and have adequate safeguards put in place, one of which is net neutrality. Thankfully, in Europe, people have realized this for a while now and thus it has been viewed as such and has been given adequate protection for some time now as a matter of law. Imo, the US seems to be lagging behind again, just like it's lagging behind other apparently obvious issues, like climate change.

[Kamiccolo9]

Because Verizon and Comcast have a long, rich, storied history of encouraging new competition. Right.

Please, do continue going on living in your Ayn Rand induced fantasy world, where Atlas Shrugged and corporations cared, and the Free Market descended, raising everyone from poverty as we walk together arm and arm into a glorious future.

Or hey, we can look at what unregulated capitalism has actually done in this country, when you were forced by your boss to live in the company town, and paid just not enough to cover the rent at the company house, so you end up in perpetual debt as the company loans you money to pay your rent.

Don't bother responding. Do not PM me. I'm not going to spend hours "debating" with a person so deluded to think that unregulated capitalism is a good thing in general, and especially you in particular, because i'm sure you'll point out a semantics error in the first sentence that I've overlooked and dwell on it for hours. Frankly, I'd rather you just get out of my thread. This is here to discuss the effect that this will have on Dragon Ball, not for you to go on a free market soapbox.


On topic, after doing a bit more looking, Crunchyroll is owned by AT&T. I can imagine Verizon and Comcast, especially the former, given their competition with AT&T, charging more to allow for good streaming speeds. Funimation is now owned by Sony, as of recent events, and Sony is a big proponent of repealing net neutrality. Both Sony and these other corporations were also the driving forces behind SOPA.

[sintzu]

After doing a bit more looking, Crunchyroll is owned by AT&T. I can imagine Verizon and Comcast, especially the former, given their competition with AT&T, charging more to allow for good streaming speeds.

Couldn't they outright make it impssible to use ? If AT&T has crunchyroll then couldn't comcast say we have our own site now and that's the only anime streaming site you'll have access to ?