"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Michsi]

Children would grow up in an incubator until they were 3 years old!
There were also children that would be turned into combatants as soon as they left the incubator!
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This is new, at least I don't remember it ever being mentioned before. Is this why Goku looked like a toddler in Db minus instead of a baby?

[dbgtFO]

Children would grow up in an incubator until they were 3 years old!
There were also children that would be turned into combatants as soon as they left the incubator!
.

This is new, at least I don't remember it ever being mentioned before. Is this why Goku looked like a toddler in Db minus instead of a baby?

DB Minus established that Goku had been in tge incubator for about 3 years, so yeah.
This being universal for Saiyans is new info.

[ArchedThunder]

Sadly only the main transformations are included, so no Ultra, Ikari or Berserk.

Would Toriyama even address Ikari considering it was anime only?

The whole thing wasn't Toriyama, just the Q&A.

[Michsi]

Children would grow up in an incubator until they were 3 years old!
There were also children that would be turned into combatants as soon as they left the incubator!
.

This is new, at least I don't remember it ever being mentioned before. Is this why Goku looked like a toddler in Db minus instead of a baby?

DB Minus established that Goku had been in tge incubator for about 3 years, so yeah.
This being universal for Saiyans is new info.

It...would make sense that they're not newborn babies when sent to destroy planets, but I've gotten so used to baby Goku in that space pod.

[GodVegetto91]

Would Toriyama even address Ikari considering it was anime only?

Whats an “ikari”? Did i miss something..? Never heard that word in the entire show! Yet everyone is using it.

I'm pretty sure it means rage.

Okay thanks.

[Ki Breaker]

Yamcha + Roshi = Yamoshi

Coincidence? I think not

[Noah]

DB Minus established that Goku had been in tge incubator for about 3 years, so yeah.
This being universal for Saiyans is new info.

Minus sucks, Goku coming to Earth as a newborn baby feels so much better:

Sadly only the main transformations are included, so no Ultra, Ikari or Berserk.

Ultra Instinct is not a transformation.

[Totamo]

DB Minus established that Goku had been in tge incubator for about 3 years, so yeah.
This being universal for Saiyans is new info.

Minus sucks, Goku coming to Earth as a newborn baby feels so much better:

Sadly only the main transformations are included, so no Ultra, Ikari or Berserk.

Ultra Instinct is not a transformation.

It does but it also makes little sense when you give it 4 seconds of thought. Like how is a newborn baby supposed to know he must destroy a planet and how will he survive if he is just a baby, anyway.

while 3 years old is a bit of a stretch, it is a bit more believable.

[Totamo]

How? Dragon balls have kind of existed since the beginning and they all for the most part end happily. What were you expecting?

This is different now, they're going against Zen-Oh purposes with the tournament by wishing everyone erased back. This arc is called "Universe Survival" so I'm expecting to see more consequences due all that struggle, some univeses/characters that we might never see again for example.

No, Zen oh started this tournament because he thought it looked cool and he wanted to have fun. There is no seriousness in any of this. This arc was simply an introduction of the other universes.



This arc may say universal survival but not many characters actually care and i feel that may be intentional. It mean its a toriyama thing. Take the easy way out. instead of making several arcs introducing them individually come up with an excuse to do it all in one shot then another to bring them back.


I mean, we know dragon ball, we know its history.

[BlueBasilisk]

No, Zen oh started this tournament because he thought it looked cool and he wanted to have fun. There is no seriousness in any of this. This arc was simply an introduction of the other universes.



This arc may say universal survival but not many characters actually care and i feel that may be intentional. It mean its a toriyama thing. Take the easy way out. instead of making several arcs introducing them individually come up with an excuse to do it all in one shot then another to bring them back.


I mean, we know dragon ball, we know its history.

Right. Zeno had the idea for the Tournament of Power in the Universe 6 arc because he had fun watching that tournament and thought it would be even more fun to have a big tournament with all the universes fighting. The universe erasure thing wasn't brought up until this arc, and in the manga's version of events the Grand Priest suggested getting rid of some when the Zenos complained that there were too many because it was making their game boring. Neither version of the Zenos, anime or manga, seem to pay much attention to the things going on inside the Universes since the Grand Priest has to bring them up to speed all the time.

[TheOne]

Children would grow up in an incubator until they were 3 years old!
There were also children that would be turned into combatants as soon as they left the incubator!
.

This is new, at least I don't remember it ever being mentioned before. Is this why Goku looked like a toddler in Db minus instead of a baby?

DB Minus established that Goku had been in tge incubator for about 3 years, so yeah.
This being universal for Saiyans is new info.

What is DB minus? I keep seeing it everywhere

[HeroR]

DB Minus established that Goku had been in tge incubator for about 3 years, so yeah.
This being universal for Saiyans is new info.

Minus sucks, Goku coming to Earth as a newborn baby feels so much better:

Sadly only the main transformations are included, so no Ultra, Ikari or Berserk.

Ultra Instinct is not a transformation.

It does but it also makes little sense when you give it 4 seconds of thought. Like how is a newborn baby supposed to know he must destroy a planet and how will he survive if he is just a baby, anyway.

while 3 years old is a bit of a stretch, it is a bit more believable.

I personally always hated the Goku coming as a newborn since it never made sense. Goku could barely walk, was naked, and was expected to wipe a planet. How was even expected to come home since he wasn't even old enough to work his own spaceship and who would have taught him how to fly once he was old enough? Goku being a toddler able to communicate, learn how to work a space ship, walked, wearing armor makes far more sense and I welcomed the addition.

Also, Noah, UI Goku is called a transformation in all marketing for UI Goku. Unless you just mean UI itself.

[Michsi]

This is new, at least I don't remember it ever being mentioned before. Is this why Goku looked like a toddler in Db minus instead of a baby?

DB Minus established that Goku had been in tge incubator for about 3 years, so yeah.
This being universal for Saiyans is new info.

What is DB minus? I keep seeing it everywhere

A special chapter drawn by Toriyama that is basically a retelling of how Goku escaped planet Vegeta's destruction. It features Bardock, but ignores everything else about the OVA. Gine, Goku's mother, first appears here.

[Olympian]

So Vegeta sucked. In other news, water is wet.

Damn, late to the party, what happened?

[Olympian]

Yamcha + Roshi = Yamoshi

Coincidence? I think not

Can I use it as my signature? Because I just recently read all the new info from Toryama`s Q&A and this is beautiful.

[Grimlock]

It features Bardock, but ignores everything else about the OVA.

Not quite everything. Bardock going to face Freeza is still valid, as summed up in chapter 307.

[Noah]

Minus sucks, Goku coming to Earth as a newborn baby feels so much better.

It does but it also makes little sense when you give it 4 seconds of thought. Like how is a newborn baby supposed to know he must destroy a planet and how will he survive if he is just a baby, anyway. While 3 years old is a bit of a stretch, it is a bit more believable.

Sure, but didn't Raditz confirmed that to Goku, moments after they met? Something like low class Saiyans are send as babies to planets with low battle power individuals? So even not making much sense how a baby even being a Saiyan could survive by his own until he grows, still seems to be standard to their race.

No, Zen oh started this tournament because he thought it looked cool and he wanted to have fun. There is no seriousness in any of this. This arc was simply an introduction of the other universes. This arc may say universal survival but not many characters actually care and i feel that may be intentional. It mean its a toriyama thing. Take the easy way out. instead of making several arcs introducing them individually come up with an excuse to do it all in one shot then another to bring them back. I mean, we know dragon ball, we know its history.

Right. Zeno had the idea for the Tournament of Power in the Universe 6 arc because he had fun watching that tournament and thought it would be even more fun to have a big tournament with all the universes fighting. The universe erasure thing wasn't brought up until this arc, and in the manga's version of events the Grand Priest suggested getting rid of some when the Zenos complained that there were too many because it was making their game boring. Neither version of the Zenos, anime or manga, seem to pay much attention to the things going on inside the Universes since the Grand Priest has to bring them up to speed all the time.

Even if it was Grand Priest idea when he actually said otherwise, the general idea of this whole tournament was to get rid of low mortal level universes, something that Zen-Oh himself would do it anyway without any competition to decide.
Goku gave the chance to these universes to fight for their survival. You could also say the Grand Priest is pulling the strings and not Zen-Oh, but even so... Would he allow a wish to put everything back to square one? I don't think so.

Goku being a toddler able to communicate, learn how to work a space ship, walked, wearing armor makes far more sense and I welcomed the addition.

Also, Noah, UI Goku is called a transformation in all marketing for UI Goku. Unless you just mean UI itself.

Yeah I meant UI itself, also Goku coming to Earth as a 3 years old don't mess up with his age in the original manga?

Not quite everything. Bardock going to face Freeza is still valid, as summed up in chapter 307.

But his character was sadly softened and there was also no comrade love in the story

[HeroR]

DB Minus established that Goku had been in tge incubator for about 3 years, so yeah.
This being universal for Saiyans is new info.

What is DB minus? I keep seeing it everywhere

A special chapter drawn by Toriyama that is basically a retelling of how Goku escaped planet Vegeta's destruction. It features Bardock, but ignores everything else about the OVA. Gine, Goku's mother, first appears here.

More specifically, it's a bonus chapter found at the end of the Jaco manga. It isn't really a 'retelling' since Toriyama never showed the events of Goku escaping Vegeta in his own work. So it would be better to say that it's Toriyama's take of events that is different from the Bardock Special.

Minus sucks, Goku coming to Earth as a newborn baby feels so much better.

It does but it also makes little sense when you give it 4 seconds of thought. Like how is a newborn baby supposed to know he must destroy a planet and how will he survive if he is just a baby, anyway. While 3 years old is a bit of a stretch, it is a bit more believable.

Sure, but didn't Raditz confirmed that to Goku, moments after they met? Something like low class Saiyans are send as babies to planets with low battle power individuals? So even not making much sense how a baby even being a Saiyan could survive by his own until he grows, still seems to be standard to their race.

No, Zen oh started this tournament because he thought it looked cool and he wanted to have fun. There is no seriousness in any of this. This arc was simply an introduction of the other universes. This arc may say universal survival but not many characters actually care and i feel that may be intentional. It mean its a toriyama thing. Take the easy way out. instead of making several arcs introducing them individually come up with an excuse to do it all in one shot then another to bring them back. I mean, we know dragon ball, we know its history.

Right. Zeno had the idea for the Tournament of Power in the Universe 6 arc because he had fun watching that tournament and thought it would be even more fun to have a big tournament with all the universes fighting. The universe erasure thing wasn't brought up until this arc, and in the manga's version of events the Grand Priest suggested getting rid of some when the Zenos complained that there were too many because it was making their game boring. Neither version of the Zenos, anime or manga, seem to pay much attention to the things going on inside the Universes since the Grand Priest has to bring them up to speed all the time.

Even if it was Grand Priest idea when he actually said otherwise, the general idea of this whole tournament was to get rid of low mortal level universes, something that Zen-Oh himself would do it anyway without any competition to decide.
Goku gave the chance to these universes to fight for their survival. You could also say the Grand Priest is pulling the strings and not Zen-Oh, but even so... Would he allow a wish to put everything back to square one? I don't think so.

Goku being a toddler able to communicate, learn how to work a space ship, walked, wearing armor makes far more sense and I welcomed the addition.

Also, Noah, UI Goku is called a transformation in all marketing for UI Goku. Unless you just mean UI itself.

Yeah I meant UI itself, also Goku coming to Earth as a 3 years old don't mess up with his age in the original manga?

Not as far as I know since Goku's birth was never given an official date in the manga. Goku being born the same year Vegeta got destroyed was only said in the anime to my knowledge.

But I am not an expert. Someone like Darkprince410 would know more on the matter.

[Grimlock]

Goku coming to Earth as a 3 years old don't mess up with his age in the original manga?

Yes. But just by one year. If take Gine's words literal, then Goku was born in AGE 736, which makes him 13 years old when he met Bulma (not 12). But when things like this occur, we just have to assume Gine rounded up how long Goku spent inside the incubator.

The same happens with Bulma. Jaco's manga says she's five years old, but sticking with AGE 733 as her birthdate, that actually would make her six years old at that time. In this case, we just have to assume Jaco's event takes place before her birthday.

[Olympian]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

The planet where Saiyajin were born.

How is Planet Vegeeta like?

We'll disclose the secrets of the planet Goku and Vegeeta were born in.

Several thousand Saiyajin lived there!
A mysterious planet where primitive houses and flying spacecrafts co-existed side by side. It seems their population wouldn't increase since many fell in battle.

Children would grow up in an incubator until they were 3 years old!
There were also children that would be turned into combatants as soon as they left the incubator!

[spoiler][/spoiler]

*right page*

The Saiyajin list is completed!
Every Saiyajin from the manga and anime is reunited.

Son Goku - A Saiyajin raised on Earth, who loves to fight.
Radits - Nicknamed "weakling", he's Goku's older brother.
Nappa - ?????? Earth with Vegeeta.
Son Gohan - Goku's son. He likes studying more than fighting.
Pan - Gohan and Viidel's daughter and Goku's granddaughter.
Son Goten - Gohan's younger brother. He gets along well with Trunks.
Burdock - He opposed Freeza. Goku's father.
Gine

There are many more!!
Lots of Saiyajin lived in Planet Vegeeta.

*left page*

Trunks - The Trunks that came from the future world.
Vegeeta - Goku's rival and the Prince of the Saiyajin.
Trunks - He's Vegeeta and Bloomer's son!
Bra - Vegeeta's daughter and Trunks' younger sister.

Anime "Dragon Ball Z"

King Vegeeta - The King of the Saiyajin and Vegeeta's father.
Sleypar Tooma
Totappo Pumbbkin
The warriors that fought alongside Burdock.

Movies "Dragon Ball Z"

Broli - Transforms into a Legendary Super Saiyajin.
Paragus - He's Broli's father!
Tuulece - An evil warrior that looks like Goku.
Taable - Vegeeta's kindhearted younger brother.

"Neko Majin"

Onio - A super warrior defeated by Neko Majin.

"Dragon Ball Super"
The Saiyajin from Universe 6.

Cabba - A warrior that represents Universe 6.
Rensou - Cauliflo's older brother and former captain of the defense squad.
Cale - Awakens into a violent Super Saiyajin!
Cauliflo - Former deliquent and acts as Cale's older sister.

The new informations about Raditz are interesting. In the G&A it`s said Raditz was part of the warrior cast because he wasn`t considered low level and could go to planets on his own but he was still nicknamed "weakling" by higher up Saiyans, I guess?