Net Neutrality and Dragon Ball

[ABED]

I don't know how this will affect DB and quite honestly, I don't think it will be a big deal on that front. DB was successful before streaming sites and it will continue to be.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yes.

Comcast, at the moment, has a "Pledge" on their website, saying that they won't block content on their website.

Funnily enough, as late as the morning that the FCC announced their intention to do away with net neutrality, their pledge included Comcast not offering paid prioritization of individual websites. That part is gone now.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... ed-repeal/

I don't think they'll block the site; I think it more likely that they will just require them to pay more to ensure that they get good speeds. Costs which would naturally be dumped onto the customer. That's also what I see happening for Netflix.

[sintzu]

Yes, I work for a small company. I'm not sure what you are getting at with the question.

It's clear you don't know what a free market is.

I don't know how this will affect DB and quite honestly, I don't think it will be a big deal on that front. DB was successful before streaming sites and it will continue to be.

If the government gave that company true freedom as in letting them pay you what they want (no minimum wage) and no 8 hour workday (again, letting them decide your hours), you'd be working for as little as possible and for however long your body would allow before you shut down and then they'll throw you and anyone else out with a smile on their face. Trust me, you don't want that kind of freedom.

I (and he) may not know the exact definition but we can see its negative effects its having on everything.

This is about everyone's freedoms, not just DB.

[Doctor.]

You're both jumping to doomsday scenarios.

[rereboy]

It's not a matter of whether the companies will do bad stuff for the consumers or not. Safeguards should be in place to prevent people and companies from doing it in case they feel like it in the future. This is basically how a great portion of law should work, it's not about the likelihood of the people or the companies actually doing that kind of stuff, it's about preventing it just in case they feel like it in the future.

[sintzu]

So if Comcast told Mike (VegettoEX) that in order for Kanzenshuu to be accessable he'd have to pay like 1000$ a month, wouldn't that lead to Kanzenshuu having to charge its members a monthly subscription to keep the site up ?

If that's the case and they do that with every web site then someone could end up with 10+ subscriptions on top of their normal internet bill.

[JulieYBM]

The second you give away your legal power to force corporations to stay in line they will fuck you over, take your money, hide it overseas and then lie to you until you start to believe they are the victim and you an unreasonable monster.

We can hope that small providers will rise from this and allow everything to be accessible but even then, will they be supported ? where I lived you'd have people buying 1$ Apples from big stores even though there were vegetable stands next to them selling a POUND for half of that.

These people would rather buy 1 Apple for a doller over an entire bag for half of that and for what ? to support the company, the company that gives nothing back to anyone.

And if you leave people free, they do the equivalent of setting up those stands and people will be free to make that choice for themselves. Also, buying from the big chain is a better guarantee of quality than if you buy from some vendor you've never heard of. The big chain has a reputation it needs to uphold and you know what it is going in. You don't know what that street cart vendor is selling you. Still, you are free to make that decision for yourself.

The company that gives nothing back? They provided a service. They already gave you something.

I work for a mega corporation. I interact with mega corporations. You have to fight like a motherfucker to get your money back when the product they sell you inevitably turns out to be a piece of shit. The idea isn't to make something high-quality, it's to take the risk that they can put out a low-quality product, trick you into buying it, have you assume it was just a fluke and then make you buy another one that may or may not fail like the first one without asking for an exchange or your money on the previous one back.

The claim is that people don't want ISP's to have the powers they do, but the reason the ISP's have monopoly powers in certain areas is because the government grants them that privilege to be the sole providers. The answer is NOT more regulation.

"The government doesn't regulate, therefore the solution is not to regulate!" Wait, what the heck?

[JulieYBM]

On topic, after doing a bit more looking, Crunchyroll is owned by AT&T. I can imagine Verizon and Comcast, especially the former, given their competition with AT&T, charging more to allow for good streaming speeds. Funimation is now owned by Sony, as of recent events, and Sony is a big proponent of repealing net neutrality. Both Sony and these other corporations were also the driving forces behind SOPA.

Christ, I forgot about Cunchyroll being owned by AT&T. C*mc*st is going to have a field day trying to get me to pay more to use it.

[Kamiccolo9]

So if Comcast told Mike (VegettoEX) that in order for Kanzenshuu to be accessable he'd have to pay like 1000$ a month, wouldn't that lead to Kanzenshuu having to charge its members a monthly subscription to keep the site up ?

That would be up to Mike.

Honestly, I don't see this site being affected much. It doesn't have the traffic to bother with, compared to Amazon, Netflix, etc. At least I don't think so, anyway

SOPA was a bigger threat to Kanzenshuu, specifically. (Insert additional, "I am not an expert" acknowledgement here)

[sintzu]

Honestly, I don't see this site being affected much. It doesn't have the traffic to bother with, compared to Amazon, Netflix, etc. At least I don't think so, anyway

But it still can if someone on the top thought they could make money from it. They could do that with any site and it would be legal, that's what worries me. Gaming is a big thing now so a site like N4G, VG247 could be affected which are sites I look at on a daily basis so those could end up behind a pay wall.

I really hope this doesn't go through.

[ABED]

"The government doesn't regulate, therefore the solution is not to regulate!" Wait, what the heck?

What? No, I was saying the solution to the problem created by government regulation (ISP monopolies) isn't more regulation (net neutrality).

[sintzu]

"The government doesn't regulate, therefore the solution is not to regulate!" Wait, what the heck?

What? No, I was saying the solution to the problem created by government regulation (ISP monopolies) isn't more regulation (net neutrality).

NN allows all sites and people equal oppurtunity to be on the internet. If NN isn't the solution then what is ? Why would you want the likes of Comecast telling you what you can and can't access ?

[ABED]

The solution is to take away the monopoly rights of the ISP's. Open up competition.

[sintzu]

The solution is to take away the monopoly rights of the ISP's. Open up competition.

Then what ? how can getting rid of NN which will result in all these problems improve things ?

[JulieYBM]

"The government doesn't regulate, therefore the solution is not to regulate!" Wait, what the heck?

What? No, I was saying the solution to the problem created by government regulation (ISP monopolies) isn't more regulation (net neutrality).

Government regulation is not the cause of ISPs. The absence of regulation is the cause of monopolies. Corporations paying off politicians (like they have here with the FCC) to no longer use the Sherman Antitrust Act to prevent mergers has allowed a small number of corporations to amass billions with which to further pay off politicians. It's a self-sustaining monster.

[floofychan333]

Yeah this is a very big topic on Reddit with every massive subreddit imploring their community to contact their Congressman about the issue. I think someone made a program to easily fill out a form and make the Representatives aware of just how bad this really is.
As a non American I hope you guys won't get that ridiculous law put in place, as that may also something other western countries could be inspired by.

I'm less worried about our countries being inspired by it. Mainly, I'm concerned that since the United States controls so much of the internet, we'll be affected anyway to some degree. As somebody who's on his computer way too much and who's never lived in a house without a computer, I'll be considerably affected by painfully slow internet speeds. If the computers in schools get any slower here, the education system will probably have to take a huge step back in the project and essay creating department because we students are tremendously dependent on the internet for our assignments.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

Could this Bill affect other country like European country ?

[sintzu]

Could this Bill affect other country like European country ?

It depends on how the laws are there.

[Kepiaschkz]

I'm French. And during the last presidential campaign, there was a candidate ( Fillon to not name him) that had
a similar project ( which would have ended the net neutrality in France) in his program.

Back then, at first, he was considered as the favourite by a very large margin. But hopefully for us he was revealed publicy as a corrupt politician, and one of the worst. Then he lost the elections before the 2nd round and his currently facing numerous charges in justice
( corruption, collusion, frauds, fictional work among others).

This to say that we were very close to experience this abomination and maybe before americans themselves.
It can happen everywhere. And with that kind of douchebags in charge, I doubt the end of net neutrality could end up favorizing the consumers. Quite the opposite.