"Dragon Ball FighterZ" Official Discussion Thread

[KayDash]

well this is a Z game not a Super one.

This is both.

So far, the only Super thing in this game is Goku Blue Kaioken.

I already listed this multiple times (and others too), so I'll just go briefly about this: Vegeta also has two moves from the Magetta and Zamasu fights. Their outfits are the classic android era ones with the blue hair, which only appeared in Super.
Also: Fat Buu and Ginyu both have poses from Super. There is a destroyed city stage which is aesthetically the same as the one which appeared in the Zamasu Arc.
Many character outfits (and Golden Frieza) also represent the new era of DB, which is started with Battle of the Gods and then continued with Ressurection of F. Sure, those are called 'DBZ', but later adopted into Super, and wasn't present in the classic era of the DBZ anime. Even if you don't consider the first two arcs of DBS as DBS material, there are still many references, and after Jump Festa at next weekend (and Jump Magazine leaks probably coming even earlier), I'm sure there won't be any debate if this game represents Super too, or not.

[supersaiyanZero]

Why in god's name would we have Kale and Broly in the same game? One is a significantly better second attempt of the other. Zamasu, Hit, and Beerus are all good additions thought even if I'm not a fan of the source material. I really would rather this game stay Z based, and instead give us some movie characters. Janemba certainly comes to mind.

edited due to typo.

I don't want to get into it with you, but no, the later incarnation is a ridiculously lazy attempt at a cash grab on an already popular, already paper thin movie character. Kale is a shitty character and while Broly is definitely overrated, a fighting game like this is exactly where he would shine.

[supersaiyanZero]

This is both.

So far, the only Super thing in this game is Goku Blue Kaioken.

I already listed this multiple times (and others too), so I'll just go briefly about this: Vegeta also has two moves from the Magetta and Zamasu fights. Their outfits are the classic android era ones with the blue hair, which only appeared in Super.
Also: Fat Buu and Ginyu both have poses from Super. There is a destroyed city stage which is aesthetically the same as the one which appeared in the Zamasu Arc.
Many character outfits (and Golden Frieza) also represent the new era of DB, which is started with Battle of the Gods and then continued with Ressurection of F. Sure, those are called 'DBZ', but later adopted into Super, and wasn't present in the classic era of the DBZ anime. Even if you don't consider the first two arcs of DBS as DBS material, there are still many references, and after Jump Festa at next weekend (and Jump Magazine leaks probably coming even earlier), I'm sure there won't be any debate if this game represents Super too, or not.

I'm OK with references to Super but this is definitely a Z-based game no matter how you look at it. And as such, I'd rather them focus on giving us a proper Dragonball Z fighting game that we haven't had since Hyper Dimension instead of catering to Super fanboys who need their fix.

[New_Guy]

Welp if this is really a "Z" based game, I really think Videl should get in as another girl fighter rep. I think she could be sick in this game. Besides I heard through the grape vine that #21 may be playable, but can we at least get a girl combatant that ISN'T a jinzoningen? However no real complaints here, I love where this game is going so far.

[mahakaishin1991]

Why in god's name would we have Kale and Broly in the same game? One is a significantly better second attempt of the other. Zamasu, Hit, and Beerus are all good additions thought even if I'm not a fan of the source material. I really would rather this game stay Z based, and instead give us some movie characters. Janemba certainly comes to mind.

edited due to typo.

I don't want to get into it with you, but no, the later incarnation is a ridiculously lazy attempt at a cash grab on an already popular, already paper thin movie character. Kale is a shitty character and while Broly is definitely overrated, a fighting game like this is exactly where he would shine.

Broly was a cash grab on the 'legendary angle' in his movies, while Kale wouldnt really earn money for the studio by herself. She has developed significantly more than Broly ever did, who regressed to mindless screaming, literally a 7 year old's idea of cool.

Kale grew beyond Broly the moment she gained control and continued to do so through her relationships with the cast, Broly has none of that and is dishwater deep.

So objectively speaking, Kale is a better character by proxy of being more developed.

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[supersaiyanZero]

edited due to typo.

I don't want to get into it with you, but no, the later incarnation is a ridiculously lazy attempt at a cash grab on an already popular, already paper thin movie character. Kale is a shitty character and while Broly is definitely overrated, a fighting game like this is exactly where he would shine.

Broly was a cash grab on the 'legendary angle' in his movies, while Kale wouldnt really earn money for the studio by herself. She has developed significantly more than Broly ever did, who regressed to mindless screaming, literally a 7 year old's idea of cool.

Kale grew beyond Broly the moment she gained control and continued to do so through her relationships with the cast, Broly has none of that and is dishwater deep.

So objectively speaking, Kale is a better character by proxy of being more developed.

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No, Kale's character is worse because they actually attempted (not tried) to give her a personality and failed miserably. At least with Broly I know what I'm getting - A big fucking legendary Super Saiyan that is unbelievably strong and acts like a giant wrecking ball. At this point, it's all I need. Kale is a ripoff character who is just as dishwater deep, but her motivations are even worse than Broly's and THAT my friend is a hard thing to trump. Hell, even her legendary saiyan debut had LESS background about the transformation than the movie did AND they completely reused frames from movie 8 (except animated even more poorly than the original). That my friend is a fail on all levels.

[mahakaishin1991]

I don't want to get into it with you, but no, the later incarnation is a ridiculously lazy attempt at a cash grab on an already popular, already paper thin movie character. Kale is a shitty character and while Broly is definitely overrated, a fighting game like this is exactly where he would shine.

Broly was a cash grab on the 'legendary angle' in his movies, while Kale wouldnt really earn money for the studio by herself. She has developed significantly more than Broly ever did, who regressed to mindless screaming, literally a 7 year old's idea of cool.

Kale grew beyond Broly the moment she gained control and continued to do so through her relationships with the cast, Broly has none of that and is dishwater deep.

So objectively speaking, Kale is a better character by proxy of being more developed.

end

No, Kale's character is worse because they actually attempted (not tried) to give her a personality and failed miserably. At least with Broly I know what I'm getting - A big fucking legendary Super Saiyan that is unbelievably strong and acts like a giant wrecking ball. At this point, it's all I need. Kale is a ripoff character who is just as dishwater deep, but her motivations are even worse than Broly's and THAT my friend is a hard thing to trump. Hell, even her legendary saiyan debut had LESS background about the transformation than the movie did AND they completely reused frames from movie 8 (except animated even more poorly than the original). That my friend is a fail on all levels.

hahahahaha

broly is angry at the universe because of a crying child

kale started as meek and insecure and grew to support the person she loved the most, who cared for her and helped her grow.

The animators only did that to go 'this is a broly reference' as a tribute to the fans, thats not a knock at Kale at all.

[Olympian]

and even perjaps Jaco as the gag in.

They already said they won't have any gag characters.

Ah I missed that.

It`s for the better, anyone other than Arale would be dissapointing to me but Jaco at least is Toryama fresh and has some narrative potential on the whole.

[Olympian]

No kidding, how much cash grab was Broly? Was his first movie the one that made most back out of every other release, or what?

[mahakaishin1991]

No kidding, how much cash grab was Broly? Was his first movie the one that made most back out of every other release, or what?

Broly may be a cash grab on the legendary super saiyan shtick, but kale is already part of the most hyped arc and frankly is controversial because of how Broly is percieved (the marmite of the series)

shes by no means loved and adored, but shes a damn sight more interesting than him

[FortuneSSJ]

It's actually just a matter of time until new fans start calling "Male Kale" to Broly and that will be hilarious.

Anyway, Ultimate Gohan trailer should be out this week and there's also the PSX Event. Hopefully they are smart and play their cards right, instead of saving everything for the Jump Festa.

[BrolyKale]

Broly was a cash grab on the 'legendary angle' in his movies, while Kale wouldnt really earn money for the studio by herself. She has developed significantly more than Broly ever did, who regressed to mindless screaming, literally a 7 year old's idea of cool.

Kale grew beyond Broly the moment she gained control and continued to do so through her relationships with the cast, Broly has none of that and is dishwater deep.

So objectively speaking, Kale is a better character by proxy of being more developed.

end

No, Kale's character is worse because they actually attempted (not tried) to give her a personality and failed miserably. At least with Broly I know what I'm getting - A big fucking legendary Super Saiyan that is unbelievably strong and acts like a giant wrecking ball. At this point, it's all I need. Kale is a ripoff character who is just as dishwater deep, but her motivations are even worse than Broly's and THAT my friend is a hard thing to trump. Hell, even her legendary saiyan debut had LESS background about the transformation than the movie did AND they completely reused frames from movie 8 (except animated even more poorly than the original). That my friend is a fail on all levels.

hahahahaha

broly is angry at the universe because of a crying child

kale started as meek and insecure and grew to support the person she loved the most, who cared for her and helped her grow.

The animators only did that to go 'this is a broly reference' as a tribute to the fans, thats not a knock at Kale at all.

The crying thing is just a misconception.

I suggest you to read this
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Thread ... skin=oasis

[LightBing]

It's actually just a matter of time until new fans start calling "Male Kale" to Broly and that will be hilarious.

Anyway, Ultimate Gohan trailer should be out this week and there's also the PSX Event. Hopefully they are smart and play their cards right, instead of saving everything for the Jump Festa.

Bandai isn't listed for the PSX event. However there's the chance that's on purpose because they might came out with huge announcements like Soul Calibur 6, which has been talked about extensively in rumours lately.

I wouldn't expect anything about FighterZ even if Bandai is there. Jump Festa is here it's at.

[mahakaishin1991]

No, Kale's character is worse because they actually attempted (not tried) to give her a personality and failed miserably. At least with Broly I know what I'm getting - A big fucking legendary Super Saiyan that is unbelievably strong and acts like a giant wrecking ball. At this point, it's all I need. Kale is a ripoff character who is just as dishwater deep, but her motivations are even worse than Broly's and THAT my friend is a hard thing to trump. Hell, even her legendary saiyan debut had LESS background about the transformation than the movie did AND they completely reused frames from movie 8 (except animated even more poorly than the original). That my friend is a fail on all levels.

hahahahaha

broly is angry at the universe because of a crying child

kale started as meek and insecure and grew to support the person she loved the most, who cared for her and helped her grow.

The animators only did that to go 'this is a broly reference' as a tribute to the fans, thats not a knock at Kale at all.

The crying thing is just a misconception.

I suggest you to read this
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Thread ... skin=oasis

So quoting yourself?

Ok but how do you account for Broly waking up in a mad rage at Goten crying then in the next movie?? because clearly the crying is a factor here.


Say it however you like, Broly's insane rampages are triggered by memories of a crying child, which is really dumb. It's never going to make him more reasonable to me than Kale no matter how it's dissected and spun. He's got no personality beyond silent and meak to a death machine. Kale was powerful but lacked confidence and self belief, but she grew from the relationships she had around her and found a way to accept herself and wanted to help her team and friends, becoming selfless. You see that throughout the tournament and particularly after she gains control, and of course, the True Legendary Super Saiyan form.

Broly just stays bland and gets worse as his films went on. Kale blossomed from tournament prep up to her eventual defeat/fusing into Kefla in a way that felt like it made sense.

[BrolyKale]

hahahahaha

broly is angry at the universe because of a crying child

kale started as meek and insecure and grew to support the person she loved the most, who cared for her and helped her grow.

The animators only did that to go 'this is a broly reference' as a tribute to the fans, thats not a knock at Kale at all.

The crying thing is just a misconception.

I suggest you to read this
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Thread ... skin=oasis

So quoting yourself?

Ok but how do you account for Broly waking up in a mad rage at Goten crying then in the next movie?? because clearly the crying is a factor here.


Say it however you like, Broly's insane rampages are triggered by memories of a crying child, which is really dumb. It's never going to make him more reasonable to me than Kale no matter how it's dissected and spun. He's got no personality beyond silent and meak to a death machine. Kale was powerful but lacked confidence and self belief, but she grew from the relationships she had around her and found a way to accept herself and wanted to help her team and friends, becoming selfless. You see that throughout the tournament and particularly after she gains control, and of course, the True Legendary Super Saiyan form.

Broly just stays bland and gets worse as his films went on. Kale blossomed from tournament prep up to her eventual defeat/fusing into Kefla in a way that felt like it made sense.

Did you even read the whole thing? I don't think so.

Broly is able to remember Goku's cries because all the trauma that he suffered when he was defeated by Goku in the first movie made him and his mind destabilized. In that state, he was able to remember even long forgotten memories, like Goku crying next to him, but that memory only enrages him because he links that memory to adult Goku and how he was defeated and hurt by Goku in the first movie, not because the crying was annoying. That is why even in the second movie we get the flashback to Broly's defeat IMMEDIATELY after Broly remembers Goku's crying, because he is linking the two.

As stated in the analysis, there is nothing to suggest that he remembered Goku in the first movie, only that he managed to remember that AFTER he was traumatized by Goku and left in a very destabilized state in which he can only say Kakarotto.

The whole scene of Goku's crying is used with a different purpose in the first movie, while in the second it's actually used as a memory, but not as the motivation for Broly (his defeat was the motivation in the second coming).

[mahakaishin1991]

The crying thing is just a misconception.

I suggest you to read this
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Thread ... skin=oasis

So quoting yourself?

Ok but how do you account for Broly waking up in a mad rage at Goten crying then in the next movie?? because clearly the crying is a factor here.


Say it however you like, Broly's insane rampages are triggered by memories of a crying child, which is really dumb. It's never going to make him more reasonable to me than Kale no matter how it's dissected and spun. He's got no personality beyond silent and meak to a death machine. Kale was powerful but lacked confidence and self belief, but she grew from the relationships she had around her and found a way to accept herself and wanted to help her team and friends, becoming selfless. You see that throughout the tournament and particularly after she gains control, and of course, the True Legendary Super Saiyan form.

Broly just stays bland and gets worse as his films went on. Kale blossomed from tournament prep up to her eventual defeat/fusing into Kefla in a way that felt like it made sense.

Did you even read the whole thing? I don't think so.

Broly is able to remember Goku's cries because all the trauma that he suffered when he was defeated by Goku in the first movie made him and his mind destabilized. In that state, he was able to remember even long forgotten memories, like Goku crying next to him, but that memory only enrages him because he links that memory to adult Goku and how he was defeated and hurt by Goku in the first movie, not because the crying was annoying. That is why even in the second movie we get the flashback to Broly's defeat IMMEDIATELY after Broly remembers Goku's crying, because he is linking the two.

As stated in the analysis, there is nothing to suggest that he remembered Goku in the first movie, only that he managed to remember that AFTER he was traumatized by Goku and left in a very destabilized state in which he can only say Kakarotto.

The whole scene of Goku's crying is used with a different purpose in the first movie, while in the second it's actually used as a memory, but not as the motivation for Broly (his defeat was the motivation in the second coming).

Oh I read it, like I said, I still find him pathetic and I dont think being triggered by a crying child is anything but laughable. As I said, no matter how its analysized, he got blander and lamer the longer he was around, and his appearance in broly second coming going totally insane over goten crying makes him look like a joke

Maybe you should read my posts a bit better? I dont think you did

[supersaiyanZero]

So quoting yourself?

Ok but how do you account for Broly waking up in a mad rage at Goten crying then in the next movie?? because clearly the crying is a factor here.


Say it however you like, Broly's insane rampages are triggered by memories of a crying child, which is really dumb. It's never going to make him more reasonable to me than Kale no matter how it's dissected and spun. He's got no personality beyond silent and meak to a death machine. Kale was powerful but lacked confidence and self belief, but she grew from the relationships she had around her and found a way to accept herself and wanted to help her team and friends, becoming selfless. You see that throughout the tournament and particularly after she gains control, and of course, the True Legendary Super Saiyan form.

Broly just stays bland and gets worse as his films went on. Kale blossomed from tournament prep up to her eventual defeat/fusing into Kefla in a way that felt like it made sense.

Did you even read the whole thing? I don't think so.

Broly is able to remember Goku's cries because all the trauma that he suffered when he was defeated by Goku in the first movie made him and his mind destabilized. In that state, he was able to remember even long forgotten memories, like Goku crying next to him, but that memory only enrages him because he links that memory to adult Goku and how he was defeated and hurt by Goku in the first movie, not because the crying was annoying. That is why even in the second movie we get the flashback to Broly's defeat IMMEDIATELY after Broly remembers Goku's crying, because he is linking the two.

As stated in the analysis, there is nothing to suggest that he remembered Goku in the first movie, only that he managed to remember that AFTER he was traumatized by Goku and left in a very destabilized state in which he can only say Kakarotto.

The whole scene of Goku's crying is used with a different purpose in the first movie, while in the second it's actually used as a memory, but not as the motivation for Broly (his defeat was the motivation in the second coming).

Oh I read it, like I said, I still find him pathetic and I dont think being triggered by a crying child is anything but laughable. As I said, no matter how its analysized, he got blander and lamer the longer he was around, and his appearance in broly second coming going totally insane over goten crying makes him look like a joke

Maybe you should read my posts a bit better? I dont think you did

Wait, but Kale crying and sniveling to herself because Goku is fighting her sister is any better? It's just as dumb and superficial. At least the Broly movie made a halfassed attempt to include some sort of backstory.

[mahakaishin1991]

Did you even read the whole thing? I don't think so.

Broly is able to remember Goku's cries because all the trauma that he suffered when he was defeated by Goku in the first movie made him and his mind destabilized. In that state, he was able to remember even long forgotten memories, like Goku crying next to him, but that memory only enrages him because he links that memory to adult Goku and how he was defeated and hurt by Goku in the first movie, not because the crying was annoying. That is why even in the second movie we get the flashback to Broly's defeat IMMEDIATELY after Broly remembers Goku's crying, because he is linking the two.

As stated in the analysis, there is nothing to suggest that he remembered Goku in the first movie, only that he managed to remember that AFTER he was traumatized by Goku and left in a very destabilized state in which he can only say Kakarotto.

The whole scene of Goku's crying is used with a different purpose in the first movie, while in the second it's actually used as a memory, but not as the motivation for Broly (his defeat was the motivation in the second coming).

Oh I read it, like I said, I still find him pathetic and I dont think being triggered by a crying child is anything but laughable. As I said, no matter how its analysized, he got blander and lamer the longer he was around, and his appearance in broly second coming going totally insane over goten crying makes him look like a joke

Maybe you should read my posts a bit better? I dont think you did

Wait, but Kale crying and sniveling to herself because Goku is fighting her sister is any better? It's just as dumb and superficial. At least the Broly movie made a halfassed attempt to include some sort of backstory.

And as I stated, Kale grew past that in time, while Broly regressed into just laughing, screaming and destroying till he died.

Kale, well, we saw how she became through the tournament. She grew, he didnt. This is why if I had to, I would take her over him any day. Nothing bores me more than a screaming nutjob like how Broly became in his second movie. He was pretty much everything I hated about the incredible hulk at several points in the character's run

[BrolyKale]

So quoting yourself?

Ok but how do you account for Broly waking up in a mad rage at Goten crying then in the next movie?? because clearly the crying is a factor here.


Say it however you like, Broly's insane rampages are triggered by memories of a crying child, which is really dumb. It's never going to make him more reasonable to me than Kale no matter how it's dissected and spun. He's got no personality beyond silent and meak to a death machine. Kale was powerful but lacked confidence and self belief, but she grew from the relationships she had around her and found a way to accept herself and wanted to help her team and friends, becoming selfless. You see that throughout the tournament and particularly after she gains control, and of course, the True Legendary Super Saiyan form.

Broly just stays bland and gets worse as his films went on. Kale blossomed from tournament prep up to her eventual defeat/fusing into Kefla in a way that felt like it made sense.

Did you even read the whole thing? I don't think so.

Broly is able to remember Goku's cries because all the trauma that he suffered when he was defeated by Goku in the first movie made him and his mind destabilized. In that state, he was able to remember even long forgotten memories, like Goku crying next to him, but that memory only enrages him because he links that memory to adult Goku and how he was defeated and hurt by Goku in the first movie, not because the crying was annoying. That is why even in the second movie we get the flashback to Broly's defeat IMMEDIATELY after Broly remembers Goku's crying, because he is linking the two.

As stated in the analysis, there is nothing to suggest that he remembered Goku in the first movie, only that he managed to remember that AFTER he was traumatized by Goku and left in a very destabilized state in which he can only say Kakarotto.

The whole scene of Goku's crying is used with a different purpose in the first movie, while in the second it's actually used as a memory, but not as the motivation for Broly (his defeat was the motivation in the second coming).

Oh I read it, like I said, I still find him pathetic and I dont think being triggered by a crying child is anything but laughable. As I said, no matter how its analysized, he got blander and lamer the longer he was around, and his appearance in broly second coming going totally insane over goten crying makes him look like a joke

Maybe you should read my posts a bit better? I dont think you did

...ok.

[ShadowBardock89]

So, to get back on topic, it would be hard to imagine a Dragon Ball game nowadays without Beerus. I am certain at this point the GoD will be on the roster. My question is will Super Saiyan God Goku also be on the roster?