"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[DSB]

My two cents are that Vegeta WILL actually make Jiren bother enough to try and fight. Much less than Hit but more than KKx20 SSB Goku. Then he's gonna be thrown out by Jiren with his Signature Pose.

[Freeza9000]

Huh? Piccolo eliminated this early ALL BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENTAL TRIP??!! AAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!

[OLKv3]

Vegeta vs Jiren is going to look beautiful judging by who's the lead animator.

[precita]

I'm just thanking god Gohan seems to be making it to the end.

All these indications of Piccolo, Vegeta, etc. going has me scared shitless. I just can't handle Gohan jobbing again, we'll never live it down.

[Lionel]

I'm sure it must be easy to handwave any potential quality action undertaken with Piccolo's two hands when you have #18 and the U6 Saiyans siphoning away more time than what seems appropriate. Formulaic writing is a bit of a tough pill to swallow when you compare what the studio offered this character while giving so much to others who aren't the protagonist nor have any just cause to be afforded so much in the first place.

[Whatever]

..accidentally falls of the ring....

Hello darkness my old friend.

I am fairly certain it's not as funny as it seems, and if Shantsa's ability is illusion based then it's possible he gets tricked out of bonds.

actually made things worse and in Buu saga

Heh?

By fusing with kami, piccolo rendered the dragon balls useless and if Goku had died during that time, they ain't finding namek and it was Piccolo's fight with 17 that alerted Cell to where he was and where 18 was. Basically, Piccolo fucked up big there.


Which is why whenever someone tells you the android saga was the best in dragon ball z, remind them that every character was brain dead even the ones that shouldn't be.

I am not too sure what you are trying to say here,you just started attacking people for not liking the treatment Piccolo got despite 18 and Roshi actually getting good treatment.
Also Goku and Vegeta fucked up way worse than Piccolo in the Cell saga.

[Kenneth La Torre]

My two cents are that Vegeta WILL actually make Jiren bother enough to try and fight. Much less than Hit but more than KKx20 SSB Goku. Then he's gonna be thrown out by Jiren with his Signature Pose.

If you think vegetas SSB is more than 20x stronger than gokus SSB, then you are delusional.

[DSB]

My two cents are that Vegeta WILL actually make Jiren bother enough to try and fight. Much less than Hit but more than KKx20 SSB Goku. Then he's gonna be thrown out by Jiren with his Signature Pose.

If you think vegetas SSB is more than 20x stronger than gokus SSB, then you are delusional.

Vegeta trained for Months inside ROSAT. Also he was stronger than Goku as SSB in the end of Black saga. I dont see why he cant go beyond Goku as of now, before UI. Last time he trained in Rosat for half a day, he came from much below to Goku to Much above Goku.

[OLKv3]

My two cents are that Vegeta WILL actually make Jiren bother enough to try and fight. Much less than Hit but more than KKx20 SSB Goku. Then he's gonna be thrown out by Jiren with his Signature Pose.

If you think vegetas SSB is more than 20x stronger than gokus SSB, then you are delusional.

I hope it happens. Screenshotting this just in case

[Totamo]

Hello darkness my old friend.

I am fairly certain it's not as funny as it seems, and if Shantsa's ability is illusion based then it's possible he gets tricked out of bonds.




Heh?

By fusing with kami, piccolo rendered the dragon balls useless and if Goku had died during that time, they ain't finding namek and it was Piccolo's fight with 17 that alerted Cell to where he was and where 18 was. Basically, Piccolo fucked up big there.


Which is why whenever someone tells you the android saga was the best in dragon ball z, remind them that every character was brain dead even the ones that shouldn't be.

I am not too sure what you are trying to say here,you just started attacking people for not liking the treatment Piccolo got despite 18 and Roshi actually getting good treatment.
Also Goku and Vegeta fucked up way worse than Piccolo in the Cell saga.

No, I'm not attacking anyone for disliking Piccolo's treatment, they have a right to. I'm just saying a lot of people are overestimating how much he actually mattered in the original and shouldn't say he was important in all of z or that he was special, he wasn't especially in the manga.


2. Everyone was stupid in that arc, man. No one is intelligent or off the hook.

[Michsi]

By fusing with kami, piccolo rendered the dragon balls useless and if Goku had died during that time, they ain't finding namek and it was Piccolo's fight with 17 that alerted Cell to where he was and where 18 was. Basically, Piccolo fucked up big there.


Which is why whenever someone tells you the android saga was the best in dragon ball z, remind them that every character was brain dead even the ones that shouldn't be.

I disagree. The androids were much stronger than any of them, by far, and with Goku out of commission this was the only way at that point to gain enough strength to combat a threat that, as far as they were told, was out to get them. They had no idea they could get stronger than a super saiyan back then so this seemed to be the only option to get to their level at least. He might've failed to stop Cell the first time around because he was taken by surprise, but he was still able to find out who and what he was, and it was him he was hunting afterwards instead of going after the androids, since he was the easier target. He led Cell to 17 and 18 because the androids came to them, so he had no choice but to fight, and if Piccolo had managed to destroy at least one then things would've been over once Vegeta came out of the RoSaT. No one is particularly stellar as far as smarts go in DB, but saying he actually made things worse is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Aaaanyway, that's all I have to say on the matter.Don't want to prolong this discussion here.

[Beyond]

17 better take charge in that u3 fight.

[Totamo]

By fusing with kami, piccolo rendered the dragon balls useless and if Goku had died during that time, they ain't finding namek and it was Piccolo's fight with 17 that alerted Cell to where he was and where 18 was. Basically, Piccolo fucked up big there.


Which is why whenever someone tells you the android saga was the best in dragon ball z, remind them that every character was brain dead even the ones that shouldn't be.

As you said, that's the Android/Cell Saga, not the Buu Saga.

But regardless, I disagree. The androids were much stronger than any of them, by far, and with Goku out of commission this was the only way at that point to gain enough strength to combat a threat that, as far as they were told, was out to get them. They had no idea they could get stronger than a super saiyan back then so this seemed to only option to get to their level at least. He might've failed to stop Cell the first time around because he was taken by surprise, but he was still able to find out who and what he was, and it was him he was hunting afterwards instead of going after the androids, since he was the easier target. He led Cell to 17 and 18 because the androids came to them, so he had no choice but to fight, and Piccolo managed to destroy at least one then things would've been over once Vegeta came out of the RoSaT. No one is particularly stellar as far as smarts go in DB, but saying he actually made things worse is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Aaaanyway, that's all I have to say on the matter.Don't want to prolong this discussion here.

i can respect this view, Still think he was dumbass in that arc and just like Vegeta, who was pretty tactical on namek lost all of that

[DainIronfoot]

*Plays theme song for U3 from "Support your Universe" thread*

We did it boys...we made it to top Three. Good going Dai San Uchuu!!!! Oh man, this is funny on so many levels lol.

[Totamo]

Its pretty obvious that the big fight will be Goku, Freeza and Gohan vs Jiren, Toppo and Dyspo.

[Whatever]

No, I'm not attacking anyone for disliking Piccolo's treatment, they have a right to. I'm just saying a lot of people are overestimating how much he actually mattered in the original and shouldn't say he was important in all of z or that he was special, he wasn't especially in the manga.


2. Everyone was stupid in that arc, man. No one is intelligent or off the hook.

In the Freeza saga Piccolo saved Goku from Freeza as well.
Also,its thanks to Piccolo that Trunks and Krillin discovered Present Cell and killed him,also if not for Piccolo being strong in that point in the series,Cell would simply go and absorb Goku and Vegeta's energy instead of hiding and absorbing humans.
So yeah Piccolo did important things in the Cell saga even outside of him becoming the strongest of the team for one point.
In the Buu saga he did nothing and was irrelevant in every aspect,so yeah for 2/3 parts of Z Piccolo was important both story and power wise.

[precita]

In the Buu saga he did nothing and was irrelevant in every aspect,so yeah for 2/3 parts of Z Piccolo was important both story and power wise.

Piccolo training Gotenks and stopping Buu from immediately killing everyone on Kami's lookout, as well as slicing Babidi in half and saving Trunks/Goten when Vegeta blew himself up, plus coming up with the plan to lock themselves in the time chamber, work with Gotenks to escape, is all pretty relevant.

[DSB]

Its pretty obvious that the big fight will be Goku, Freeza and Gohan vs Jiren, Toppo and Dyspo.

Freeza and Toppo will be mad fun. For Freeza it will like seeing a stronger Ginyu...

[Michsi]

Huh? Piccolo eliminated this early ALL BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENTAL TRIP??!! AAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!
[spoiler][/spoiler]

As disappointing as this reveal is, damn this made me laugh

I'll wait for the episode to see where exactly this will fall on the heartbreak scale, since it often ends up being at least somewhat better than the previews make it out to be.
Though it will be seriously upsetting if this does end up being as bad as it sounds in the summary

Edit: * I wonder if this is punishment for laughing at all those Vegeta trips off the edge pics. Thank you, karma.

[Whatever]

In the Buu saga he did nothing and was irrelevant in every aspect,so yeah for 2/3 parts of Z Piccolo was important both story and power wise.

Piccolo training Gotenks and stopping Buu from immediately killing everyone on Kami's lookout, as well as slicing Babidi in half and saving Trunks/Goten when Vegeta blew himself up, plus coming up with the plan to lock themselves in the time chamber, work with Gotenks to escape, is all pretty relevant.

Not at all.
1)Gotenks ended up being irrelevant and a waste of time so all the time Piccolo spent up training him was a waste as well.
2)Babidi being sliced in half did not matter at all,as for him saving Trunks/Goten,again they ended up being irrelevant.
3)Good plan but it ended up being pointless since it was undone by the narrative,with Super Buu being allowed to escape dimensions by screaming for some reason.