Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

SSJ2 Caulifa knocked them all down like they were nothing with one hit each in the episode she first challenges Goku. Then in another ep Vegeta beat up the big one off-screen and we just see him laying in the ground smashed up.

She did that in Base form, unless she also did it at some other point as Super Saiyan 2.

Speaking of which if Base Caulifla effortlessly knocked those three aside but then Base Gohan was about equal with the one then wouldn't that mean Base Caulifla and by extension Base Goku would be far above Base Gohan? Despite them supposedly fighting equally before?

[dragon boss z]

Well U4 ended up being pretty weak. I have no idea why they didn't just use their invisible and bug fighter to hide until the end since the universe with the most fighters wins.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

SSJ2 Caulifa knocked them all down like they were nothing with one hit each in the episode she first challenges Goku. Then in another ep Vegeta beat up the big one off-screen and we just see him laying in the ground smashed up.

She did that in Base form, unless she also did it at some other point as Super Saiyan 2.

Speaking of which if Base Caulifla effortlessly knocked those three aside but then Base Gohan was about equal with the one then wouldn't that mean Base Caulifla and by extension Base Goku would be far above Base Gohan? Despite them supposedly fighting equally before?

Base Caulifla caught them by surprise, just like how Base Vegeta easily blasted away an off-guard Monna even though she could beat up SSJ Cabba.

[Animelover5487]

Now that Universe 4 has been defeated, where would you guys rank the warriors from strongest to weakest? Here's my list:

1 - Monna (By far the strongest member as she owned a Super Saiyan Cabba)

2 - Nink (Even thought he caught Goku off-guard, he did "make" Goku turn Blue which is far more than the majority of fighters could do)

3 - Majora (Gave Kuririn and #18 trouble)

4 - Ganos (Stronger than Roshi. Roshi had to use his physical life force to defeat him.)

5 - Shosa (Shown to be quite a bit weaker than #18. Though he didn't perform too bad.)

6 - Dercori (Nothing to really go off just another fodder character though I don't think she is as weak as the other four on this list)

7 - Caway (Very, very weak. Much weaker than even Base Roshi, though she was able to damage the stadium which is stated to be made of Kachi Katchin)

8 - Damon (Incredibly weak. Was chosen for ability, not power. Though his punches did make dents in the stadium)

9 - Shantza (Not at all strong. It is obvious that he was picked for his ability of being able to create illusions rather than any actual fighting power)

10 - Damon (Chose for ability, not power)

[DBZ Macky]

Base Caulifla caught them by surprise, just like how Base Vegeta easily blasted away an off-guard Monna even though she could beat up SSJ Cabba.

Maybe SS and SS2 just change the color of your hair, and the actual power-up depends on how angry you are?

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Now that Universe 4 has been defeated, where would you guys rank the warriors from strongest to weakest? Here's my list:

1 - Monna (By far the strongest member as she owned a Super Saiyan Cabba)

2 - Nink (Even thought he caught Goku off-guard, he did "make" Goku turn Blue which is far more than the majority of fighters could do)

3 - Majora (Gave Kuririn and #18 trouble)

4 - Ganos (Stronger than Roshi. Roshi had to use his physical life force to defeat him.)

5 - Shosa (Shown to be quite a bit weaker than #18. Though he didn't perform too bad.)

6 - Dercori (Nothing to really go off just another fodder character though I don't think she is as weak as the other four on this list)

7 - Caway (Very, very weak. Much weaker than even Base Roshi, though she was able to damage the stadium which is stated to be made of Kachi Katchin)

8 - Damon (Incredibly weak. Was chosen for ability, not power. Though his punches did make dents in the stadium)

9 - Shantza (Not at all strong. It is obvious that he was picked for his ability of being able to create illusions rather than any actual fighting power)

10 - Damon (Chose for ability, not power)

How is Caway not #9? She's the biggest fodder in this tournament, besides Shantsa. Her attacks got stopped by Roshi pinching them... Damon and Gamisaras may have been disappointing, but they're definitely stronger than Caway. The only one lower than her is Shantsa since he can't damage people with his illusions (Damon was the one doing the attacks) which means that he has no offense, and his durability is shit since he got knocked off by one small ki blast.

[Animelover5487]

Now that Universe 4 has been defeated, where would you guys rank the warriors from strongest to weakest? Here's my list:

1 - Monna (By far the strongest member as she owned a Super Saiyan Cabba)

2 - Nink (Even thought he caught Goku off-guard, he did "make" Goku turn Blue which is far more than the majority of fighters could do)

3 - Majora (Gave Kuririn and #18 trouble)

4 - Ganos (Stronger than Roshi. Roshi had to use his physical life force to defeat him.)

5 - Shosa (Shown to be quite a bit weaker than #18. Though he didn't perform too bad.)

6 - Dercori (Nothing to really go off just another fodder character though I don't think she is as weak as the other four on this list)

7 - Caway (Very, very weak. Much weaker than even Base Roshi, though she was able to damage the stadium which is stated to be made of Kachi Katchin)

8 - Damon (Incredibly weak. Was chosen for ability, not power. Though his punches did make dents in the stadium)

9 - Shantza (Not at all strong. It is obvious that he was picked for his ability of being able to create illusions rather than any actual fighting power)

10 - Damon (Chose for ability, not power)

How is Caway not #9? She's the biggest fodder in this tournament, besides Shantsa. Her attacks got stopped by Roshi pinching them... Damon and Gamisaras may have been disappointing, but they're definitely stronger than Caway. The only one lower than her is Shantsa since he can't damage people with his illusions (Damon was the one doing the attacks) which means that he has no offense, and his durability is shit since he got knocked off by one small ki blast.

She damaged the stadium, which is made of Kachi Katchin. Even Boo arc Base Gohan couldn't do anything to Katchin. There is little to go off of Damon and Gamisaras power since they were picked for their ability. All we know is that all three of them are incredibly weak when it comes to power.

[DainIronfoot]

I think kudos are in order to Katopesla. While I'd say he's somewhat near SSJ Vegeta level in Ultimate mode, his resistances are really good. He's been hit countless times and he always seems to come back with no damage. He even took Vege's final flash this episode and seemed unaffected by it besides the fact that it pushed him close to the edge. Damage wise though it did nothing to him. He seemed fine.

[dragon boss z]

Now that Universe 4 has been defeated, where would you guys rank the warriors from strongest to weakest? Here's my list:

1 - Monna (By far the strongest member as she owned a Super Saiyan Cabba)

2 - Nink (Even thought he caught Goku off-guard, he did "make" Goku turn Blue which is far more than the majority of fighters could do)

3 - Majora (Gave Kuririn and #18 trouble)

4 - Ganos (Stronger than Roshi. Roshi had to use his physical life force to defeat him.)

5 - Shosa (Shown to be quite a bit weaker than #18. Though he didn't perform too bad.)

6 - Dercori (Nothing to really go off just another fodder character though I don't think she is as weak as the other four on this list)

7 - Caway (Very, very weak. Much weaker than even Base Roshi, though she was able to damage the stadium which is stated to be made of Kachi Katchin)

8 - Damon (Incredibly weak. Was chosen for ability, not power. Though his punches did make dents in the stadium)

9 - Shantza (Not at all strong. It is obvious that he was picked for his ability of being able to create illusions rather than any actual fighting power)

10 - Damon (Chose for ability, not power)

How is Caway not #9? She's the biggest fodder in this tournament, besides Shantsa. Her attacks got stopped by Roshi pinching them... Damon and Gamisaras may have been disappointing, but they're definitely stronger than Caway. The only one lower than her is Shantsa since he can't damage people with his illusions (Damon was the one doing the attacks) which means that he has no offense, and his durability is shit since he got knocked off by one small ki blast.

She damaged the stadium, which is made of Kachi Katchin. Even Boo arc Base Gohan couldn't do anything to Katchin. There is little to go off of Damon and Gamisaras power since they were picked for their ability. All we know is that all three of them are incredibly weak when it comes to power.

Damon damaged the stadium as well. And Gohan never tried to break katchin with his bear hands, it was the sword that broke. And do you really think Roshi is stronger than buu saga base Gohan?
Caway<<<Roshi<<<<buu saga base Gohan<Damon

[Bullza]

I think kudos are in order to Katopesla. While I'd say he's somewhat near SSJ Vegeta level in Ultimate mode, his resistances are really good. He's been hit countless times and he always seems to come back with no damage. He even took Vege's final flash this episode and seemed unaffected by it besides the fact that it pushed him close to the edge. Damage wise though it did nothing to him. He seemed fine.

Yeah I'd say Katopesla was inbetween Frost and Magetta or something.

[TheDipDap1234]

Now that Universe 4 has been defeated, where would you guys rank the warriors from strongest to weakest?

1) Monna
2) Nink
3) Shosa
4) Majora
5) Ganos
6) Dercori
7) Damon
Gamisaras
9) Caway
10) Shantsa

[DBZ Macky]

Now that Universe 4 has been defeated, where would you guys rank the warriors from strongest to weakest?

1. Monna (Expansion Jutsu)
2. Damon
3. Gamisaras
4. Majora
5. Shosa
6. Ganos (Transformed)
Monna
Ganos
7. Dercori (Darkness)
Dercori
8. Nink
9. Caway
10. Shantsa

[Bullza]

So I'd say these are the Top 10 fighters of the Tournament.

1. Jiren
2. Goku
3. Kefla
4. Hit
5. Vegeta
6. Frieza
7. Toppo
8. Dyspo
9. Gohan
10. Pirina

Frieza, Vegeta and Toppo are interchangeable, they all seem to be on the exact same level.

Dyspo could be lower perhaps, depending on how strong Gohan is then you could probably remove Dyspo and replace him with Saonel. Android 17 could also edge in there.

Next week that Universe 3 Fusion Robot will surely knock Pirina off.

[The_Destroyer]

Katopesla fought SSJ Vegeta and was able to regain composure after getting hit by a Final Flash. He's not weak and is fairly strong in the scheme of ToP, since a lot of fighters in the ToP are weaker than Base Sayains, while Katopesla was going toe-to-toe with SSJ Vegeta. He'd probably beat Frost, the trio de dangers(1v1 not together), and all of Universe 2 by himself.

[Kenneth La Torre]

I do agree with that. It's what i've been trying to prove. I don't believe Fused Zamasu would be able to defeat Beerus, but he would definitely make Beerus fight seriously (which is quite an impressive feat anyway). I reckon Corrupted Fused Zamasu is stronger, since he used the Light of Justice to damage himself and draw strength from his pain and anger (like Goku Black did, actually, prior to fusing). Regardless, i give up and accept that Jiren and Kefla would both defeat Fused Zamasu. Not even Zamasu can shatter their thick plot armor.

Also, as a side note, i don't think the Hakai of a God of Destruction can erase a being who has been granted immortality by the Super Dragon Balls. In the manga, Beerus confirms it, whereas in the anime Whis implies it. So Beerus can't just get rid of Fused Zamasu by using the Hakai, because half of Zamasu's body (the Future Zamasu's part) and Fused Zamasu's soul are immortal.

As much as it pains me, and you as well, i too have to accept that merged crybaby would lose to Super Kaliflower. Which is bullshit writting to be honest. Blue vegetable would probably do it tho, but even then its iffy.

Also, i think beerus stated in the manga that he cant hakai immortal beings, so i guess you are right on that.

What makes you think that Kafla would beat merged Zamasu?

from looking at the manga and the anime I think it goes like this

SSG Goku<=base Caulifla<SSB Goku<=base Vegito<=ssj Caulifla<=kkx20 Goku<ssj2 Caulifla<=merged Zamasu<=UI Goku<Beerus<=>SSB Vegito<=>Jiren

The fact that kefla acutually graced UI goku twice with her beams, the fact that UI Goku wouldnt be abke to take the beams head on. Merged zamasu is so last arc. I dont know whats so special about zamasu now that we jave an antagonisg above G.o.D power, and a fusion that can be near G.o.D power.

[SupremeKai25]

Merged zamasu is so last arc. I dont know whats so special about zamasu now that we jave an antagonisg above G.o.D power, and a fusion that can be near G.o.D power.

Probably because Zamasu is a fan-favourite and, unlike Jiren, has a convincing and compelling personality, as well as a complex, extensive and in-depth backstory and a relatable ideology that drives him forward. Also, the fact that he became the Universe and was spreading his influence throughout all realities. Besides, Zamasu didn't have such thick plot armor like Kefla and Jiren do. Which is why he is considered 'weaker' than them.

But don't worry, when the eternal Zamasu will come back, you will see the truth.

[The gr]

I'm gonna scale from strongest to weakest from the universes with the expection of U3,i will have to wait for 120-121.

U2[spoiler]The magical guys>Hermira>Jimizu>Ribrianne>Rozie>Kakunsa>Prum>Vikal[/spoiler] U4[spoiler]Monna>Nink>Majora>Shosa>Ganos>Damom>Gamisara>Dercori>Shantsa>Caway[/spoiler]U6 [spoiler]Hit>Kefla>Saonel/Pirina>Kale>Caulifla>Cabba>Magetta>Frost>Botamo>Rota.[/spoiler]U7[spoiler]Goku>Vegeta>Frieza>Gohan=#17>Piccolo>#18>Krillin>Tien>Roshi[/spoiler]U9[spoiler]Bergamo>Basil>Lavender>Hyssop>Chappil>Comfrey>Hop>Oregano>Roselle>Sorrel[/spoiler]U10[spoiler]Obuni>Napapa>Rubalt>Methiop>Murichim>Lilibeu >Jium >Jirasen>Jilcol>Murisam.[/spoiler] U11[spoiler]Jiren>Toppo>Dyspo>Kunshi>Kahseral>Tupper>Vuon>Kettol>Zoiray>Cocotte.[/spoiler]

[dragon boss z]

The fact that kefla acutually graced UI goku twice with her beams, the fact that UI Goku wouldnt be abke to take the beams head on.

First off there is no evidence UI Goku is stronger than SSB Vegitto and merged Zamasu did better against Vegito than Kefla did against Goku.

Merged zamasu is so last arc.

this literally isn't even an argument. Beerus was from the first arc of Super and he is still one of the strongest characters. Golden Frieza was from the second arc and he is one of the strongest in the tournament. Hit was in the 3rd arc and he was one of the strongest as well. Even namek saga Frieza is stronger than like 50% of the people in this tournament and that was from 7 arcs ago.

I dont know whats so special about zamasu now that we jave an antagonisg above G.o.D power, and a fusion that can be near G.o.D power.

It was stated SSB Vegito may be above or around Beerus in the manga. Going off of that merged Zamasu shouldn't be to far behind, plus he is immortal. If it wasn't for his immortality I could maybe see Kefla winning, but with his regen there isn't much she can do. Ssj2 Kefla is in no way supposed to be stronger than SSB Vegito, and if he couldn't put Zamasu down neither would Kefla.

[buutenks]

Merged Zamasu is OP because, he is immortal. Even if you somehow manage to destroy his body, which is nigh impossible for a non GoD(unless u r nakama powered up Trunks, which we all know was pure BS, tho was cool looking lol), u will have to deal with his unrestrained spirit form. Unless u r Zeno, you cannot fully defeat Zamasu.

Plus, it is mentioned in the manga that ssj blue Vegetto is Beerus level and in the anime, kaioshin says Zamasu's ki is bigger than anything he felt before.

About Kefla, only reason she lasted that long vs UI Goku is because Goku lacks the offensive side of UI, so his punches are pretty light. No doubt Kefla is strong, but i doubt she is on the level of Monster Zamasu or ssj blue Vegetto.

[Myzt0gun]

Now that Universe 4 has been defeated, where would you guys rank the warriors from strongest to weakest? Here's my list:

1 - Monna (By far the strongest member as she owned a Super Saiyan Cabba)

2 - Nink (Even thought he caught Goku off-guard, he did "make" Goku turn Blue which is far more than the majority of fighters could do)

3 - Majora (Gave Kuririn and #18 trouble)

4 - Ganos (Stronger than Roshi. Roshi had to use his physical life force to defeat him.)

5 - Shosa (Shown to be quite a bit weaker than #18. Though he didn't perform too bad.)

6 - Dercori (Nothing to really go off just another fodder character though I don't think she is as weak as the other four on this list)

7 - Caway (Very, very weak. Much weaker than even Base Roshi, though she was able to damage the stadium which is stated to be made of Kachi Katchin)

8 - Damon (Incredibly weak. Was chosen for ability, not power. Though his punches did make dents in the stadium)

9 - Shantza (Not at all strong. It is obvious that he was picked for his ability of being able to create illusions rather than any actual fighting power)

10 - Damon (Chose for ability, not power)

1.) Monna (Due to her feats against Cabba)
2.) Nink (Yeah, although Goku was can probably break free by just using SSJ1)
3.) Dercori {in Darkness} (it is stated that she is one of the ace fighters, Roshi only defeated her because of Mafuba}
4.) Damon (Although he is weak, his size makes him dangerous)
5.) Gamisaras (His invisibility can make him a very tricky opponent, but he is not that strong)
6.) Majora (I think if not for Krillin's shoe, he would have defeated him)
7.) Ganos (it is stated that she is one of the ace fighters, though Roshi beated him, he has the ability to increase power which is good)
8.) Shosa (he did fought well for a moment but sadly still one of the weakest of the Universe 4 fighters)
9.) Shantza (Can't even fight well, though his illusions can be dangerous, all u need to do is blast him)
10.) Caway (Humiliated by Roshi, and Skinny Roshi blocks her attacks with just two fingers)