"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Professor Freeza]

But they lived on to fight another day.

Vegeta was dead for less than a minute, can't you just let it slide ? For all we know he was in space holding his breath so maybe he didn't die after all.

Regardless, dying was a small price to pay to see him finally force Freeza to bow down to his Vegetaness.

Correct me if I'm wrong but they never proved Vegeta died. I never heard anyone talk about Vegeta's Energy.

I doubt a warrior like Vegeta couldnt hold him breath for 3 minutes.

[sintzu]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they never proved Vegeta died. I never heard anyone talk about Vegeta's Energy.

I doubt a warrior like Vegeta couldnt hold him breath for 3 minutes.

They just said he was dead but I guess there's a chance the exploasion could've sent him far enough to where they couldn't feel him. They also never tried to sense his energy.

He probably could assuming he was prepared for the blast.

[Professor Freeza]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they never proved Vegeta died. I never heard anyone talk about Vegeta's Energy.

I doubt a warrior like Vegeta couldnt hold him breath for 3 minutes.

They just said he was dead but I guess there's a chance the exploasion could've sent him far enough to where they couldn't feel him. They also never tried to sense his energy.

He probably could assuming he was prepared for the blast.

Hence i choose to believe that he didnt die.

Honestly, even Beerus would have fallen for that, considering he fell for SSG Goku's finger tap to the head and Shoulder hit...

[sintzu]

Honestly, even Beerus would have fallen for that, considering he fell for SSG Goku's finger tap to the head and Shoulder hit...

I know, I mean when the planet started to blow up he could've held his breath in time but if he just stood there doing nothing then he most likely would've died.

[Kanassa]

But they lived on to fight another day.

Vegeta was dead for less than a minute, can't you just let it slide ? For all we know he was in space holding his breath so maybe he didn't die after all.

Regardless, dying was a small price to pay to see him finally force Freeza to bow down to his Vegetaness.

God, that was such a shit scene for Vegeta as a character. They just had to go the Ss2 Gohan route of trying too hard to be 'badass'

[Whatever]

But they lived on to fight another day.

Vegeta was dead for less than a minute, can't you just let it slide ? For all we know he was in space holding his breath so maybe he didn't die after all.

Regardless, dying was a small price to pay to see him finally force Freeza to bow down to his Vegetaness.

Correct me if I'm wrong but they never proved Vegeta died. I never heard anyone talk about Vegeta's Energy.

I doubt a warrior like Vegeta couldnt hold him breath for 3 minutes.

They flat out said he died by the explosion in both versions.
I think even a warrior like Vegeta would have trouble holding his breath after he became SPACE DUST.

[Professor Freeza]

Vegeta was dead for less than a minute, can't you just let it slide ? For all we know he was in space holding his breath so maybe he didn't die after all.

Regardless, dying was a small price to pay to see him finally force Freeza to bow down to his Vegetaness.

Correct me if I'm wrong but they never proved Vegeta died. I never heard anyone talk about Vegeta's Energy.

I doubt a warrior like Vegeta couldnt hold him breath for 3 minutes.

They flat out said he died by the explosion in both versions.
I think even a warrior like Vegeta would have trouble holding his breath after he became SPACE DUST.

No one said anything about his energy. They assumed he died. At the same time they assumed freeza lived because he can breathe. So you tell me ssb Vegeta can't stand a planet destruction?

Vegeta lived. They crudely saying without mentioning energy isn't confirmation

[Whatever]

No one said anything about his energy. They assumed he died. At the same time they assumed freeza lived because he can breathe. So you tell me ssb Vegeta can't stand a planet destruction?

Vegeta lived. They crudely saying without mentioning energy isn't confirmation

Of course nobody said anything about his energy,they can't sense someone who is dead,Beerus and Whis flat out said Vegeta died and Freeza lived because Freeza's species can survive a planet's explosion.

Vegeta died,again they flat out said he died,they never assumed anything,you cannot get any more clear than this.

[sintzu]

Freeza lived because Freeza's species can survive a planet's explosion.

They said it's because he can breath in space. If a weakened Freeza can survive a planet exploasion then so can a full powered SsjB Vegeta. If Vegeta died it was because of the lack of air.

[Artorias]

Here's a novel concept: Give Vegeta his OWN thing for once. I'm getting really tired of him just chasing after Goku, and what's even worse is the fans seem to be completely OK with this. What if he made some sort of technique that amplified his speed and power similar to Kaioken? Maybe...I don't know just throwing shit against the wall here...He somehow transfers the overwhelming power of the Final Flash and utilizes it as a power source to boost his power 10 fold for a short time. Call it "Final Assault" or something I don't know lmao. Again, just spit balling. Just SOMETHING, ANYTHING other than what Goku does.

I just think it'd be extremely lame and predictable if he were to achieve UI, or at least achieve it this soon after Goku (literally like 10 minutes of in-universe time).

Also, I think the one saving grace for Vegeta fans is that I can't picture him just getting bodied the whole time, because this time, there's no need for Vegeta to fill the spot he usually does as a jobber that hypes up the big bad. This is because Jiren has ALREADY fought GOKU in a new form that had never been seen before, and he STILL beat him. Jiren has already proven his worth, there's no narrative purpose in building him up anymore. Having Vegeta be used as the sacrificial lamb would be redundant and completely unnecessary at this point.

Or I'm wrong and Vegeta receives the most embarrassing ass raping of all time.

I don't think Vegeta is getting a transformation, I think it's far more likely that he maybe figures out a weakness Jiren holds that when exploited allows Vegeta to hold his own.

THIS. THIS is what we need to happen. No transformations, no contrived holding back by Jiren that allows Vegeta to get some hits in, no predictable Vegeta pummeling. I'd love to see Vegeta actually use his supposed "genius battle tactics" and figure out some gimmick that can allow him to hang with Jiren for a time. Of course, he'll still probably ultimately lose, but that would be FAR better than having Vegeta just charge in without a plan and get curb stomped.

Please Toei, surprise me.

Okay so I'm guessing this might be an unpopular opinion but I really hope 122 isn't Vegeta fighting Jiren. I just have no interest in seeing Jiren rag doll Vegeta for an entire episode. And even if Vegeta unlocks UI I know for a fact that toei wouldn't given Vegeta the win over Goku. I'd rather Vegeta and Toppo resume their fight and then have Vegeta knock him out. I dunno 122 will be great in the art and animation department but I feel little hype if Vegeta gets knocked out without even having a big win, just my thoughts though.

I have a feeling that "the strongest" MIGHT just mean the Pride Troopers in general, not specifically Jiren. I think people may be in for a disappointment (or relief) when that episode spoiler description is released. It just doesn't seem logical that he would challenge Jiren alone, assuming guys like Goku, Gohan, and Freeza are still around.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Freeza lived because Freeza's species can survive a planet's explosion.

They said it's because he can breath in space. If a weakened Freeza can survive a planet exploasion then so can a full powered SsjB Vegeta. If Vegeta died it was because of the lack of air.

Yes...that was the entire point of blowing up the planet. Freeza can breathe in space. Do people not realize it's also why he blew up Namek?

If he wasn't "Dead" he was certainly destined to die without outside help.

[Artorias]

Vegeta will fight Jerin in 122 and will most likely lose in 123. 124 and 125 could focus on Gohan and Freeza fighting Toppo and Jerin. 126 and 127 will most likely have Goku fight Jerin while 128 Freeza gets his wish.

No offense, but I think it's pretty delusional to think Freeza is winning this thing. I would be UTTERLY SHOCKED if that actually happened.

[JazzMazz]

Vegeta will fight Jerin in 122 and will most likely lose in 123. 124 and 125 could focus on Gohan and Freeza fighting Toppo and Jerin. 126 and 127 will most likely have Goku fight Jerin while 128 Freeza gets his wish.

No offense, but I think it's pretty delusional to think Freeza is winning this thing. I would be UTTERLY SHOCKED if that actually happened.

I don't think its that much of a stetch. Freeza's entire plan is to have Goku beat Jiren, because he realizes that he stands absolutely no chance against him, and then knock off Goku while his exhausted from the confrontation.

That to me, seems like whats probably going to go down, but then again, I could be completely wrong and it turns out completely differently.

EDIT: Also, as for Vegeta challenging Jiren alone, I think he just wants to see exactly where he stands in terms of power in comparison to the very best from all universes. I don't think he believes he thinks he can beat Jiren as he is currently(the episode title suggests his going to give it his all to beat Jiren, so who knows), and I think his line in 112 more indicates he wants to fight Jiren in a 1v1 to see where his at.

[BlueBasilisk]

No offense, but I think it's pretty delusional to think Freeza is winning this thing. I would be UTTERLY SHOCKED if that actually happened.

Even if Frieza is the last man standing that doesn't necessarily mean he'll get the wish. That 'best fighter' wording is very vague and might be there just to bite him in the ass. That's also assuming the god/angel translating for him would actually let him have it too.

It seems like the arc is set to wrap up around 132/33 going by that latest box set, so if he did get his wish it might not last long. I think it would be the perfect 'fuck you' to Frieza to have him be the last man standing, not get the wish and go home empty handed knowing he saved his hated enemies and the universe without getting anything he wanted.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

Yeah I know.

Regardless of what the anime does, the manga will give Vegeta more than what any of us are expecting like it did in Black's arc and at the start of the current one. I'm pretty sure Vegeta in the manga will get at least 2 major fights before fighting Jerin and when he does eventually fight him it won't end how we're afraid it will in the anime.

Agree.

[Lionel]

I wonder if we'll see any of that brilliant "talent" of Vegeta's during his fight with Jiren. If he was being shrewd then he would take some inspiration from his fight with Zarbon and attack in the most efficient manner he can which is going after the most sensitive areas of the body like the eyes. In contrast, since certain appearances need to be kept with the antagonist of the arc, it's probably safe to say that Vegeta will be soundly beaten in a manner that's akin to what Hit experienced.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

I wonder if we'll see any of that brilliant "talent" of Vegeta's during his fight with Jiren. If he was being shrewd then he would take some inspiration from his fight with Zarbon and attack in the most efficient manner he can which is going after the most sensitive areas of the body like the eyes. In contrast, since certain appearances need to be kept with the antagonist of the arc, it's probably safe to say that Vegeta will be soundly beaten in a manner that's akin to what Hit experienced.

There no point in that happening to vegeta because that's what we had pre-ui goku and hit for it would be pointless if they just did it again.

[sintzu]

Here's a novel concept: Give Vegeta his OWN thing for once. I'm getting really tired of him just chasing after Goku, and what's even worse is the fans seem to be completely OK with this.

Do we have a choice ? The problem with DB is that the people running it at Toei are afraid to take the camera off Goku because they think kids will lose interest in it (they said this in an interview) so him getting his own forms and even villains is something that will most likely never happen, at least not in the anime. Toyotarou did give him Black so I give him major credit for recognizing that Vegeta at this point deserves a main villain for himself and I think that will continue where possible in the future as long as he's writing the manga.

What they should've done with Vegeta a long time ago is write him like Sasuke where he goes on his own adventures and fights his own villains.

[Kenneth La Torre]

People need to accept that vegeta is nowhere near a God of destruction, which is what jirens power is. He would get blinked to death without UI. So he gets stomped, or gets UI and holds his own for a bit. UI still seems inferior to jiren, so i guess if they do give UI to vegeta, both goku and vegeta can team up against jiren.

[sintzu]

People need to accept that vegeta is nowhere near a God of destruction, which is what jirens power is. He would get blinked to death without UI. So he gets stomped, or gets UI and holds his own for a bit. UI still seems inferior to jiren, so i guess if they do give UI to vegeta, both goku and vegeta can team up against jiren.

I don't even see 2 UI users being able to take him down as Goku barely made him move so I doubt another one will make that much of a difference. An UI fusion on the other hand could give him a run for his $$$.