"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[MR.Mark]

Exactly, he's not the most complex character in the world, but some fans make him out to be a souless husk, a vessel only made to fight. Goku is more of a monster than Cell apparently.

[Jigurashi]

Well, if Vegeta does not get UI, he can use some variation of Blue to overtake Goku SSB KK x20 and be able to do something against Jiren

Just being above SSBKKx20 alone won't mean much though. A heavily suppressed Jiren blinked away a Genki Dama which SSJ Kefla was compared to. For Vegeta to do much of anything, he needs to have something that's far and away above SSBKKx20, not just overtake it. Even then, it's unfortunate that the possibility of that not happening isn't zero.

So maybe Vegeta really outdoes VERY Goku SSB KK x20 (I'll disregard this comparison between Kefla SSJ and Genki Dama, after all Kefla did not beat even a tired Goku SSB). But why the '' unfortunately ''? Is that a bad thing?

Maybe he developed some technique to stop Jiren as well.
We know that SSB is nothing to Jiren. It would make no sense to dedicate a single EP to the fight between him and Vegeta, with two of the best animators in the series, only for Jiren to easily defeat him.

I think you have it confused. I said it unfortunately because there's no guarantee he will perform well against Jiren. I never claimed he will or won't I'm simply saying it's unfortunate that the chance of him performing well isn't at all a guaranteed fact.

[BlueBasilisk]

Unless Goku and/or Frieza fight Jiren first it's pretty likely Vegeta is going to get his ass kicked by Jiren. It's just a question of how humiliating it is and whether he gets eliminated or not. Jiren might not be as careless as he was with Goku and Kale when they're the only other team left.

[OLKv3]

I'm confident Vegeta is going to unveil some new powerup that allows him to do better than Kaioken Goku before losing

[Noah]

I'm confident Vegeta is going to unveil some new powerup that allows him to do better than Kaioken Goku before losing

He won't lose, mate.

[GodKaio-Ken]

And what if Toyo suggests this too? Imagine if Toyo, as a kid, had looked forward to seeing what a fusion between Goku and Gohan would look like only for that to never materialize.

That still runs into the problem that Goku isn't fusion to fight a non-fusion since it would be 'unfair'.

I agree and disagree. I agree he won't but at the same time if he had to it's universal destruction at stake. They have fused for less. I mean he didn't have an issue fusing for Buu. Buy does absorb however so you can argue that's similar.

Janemba was a movie so I'm not sure if anyone will count that instance either.

You mean like Kid Buu who was also classified as an universal threat? He fused for Super Buu after he ate several people, but not Kid Buu since he wasn't a fusion anymore so it wasn't for for Goku and Vegeta for him to fuse. Yes, Goku actually used this argument.

The only non-fusion he humored was for Beerus and it's questionable if he would have done it or was just thinking how Vegetto compared to Beerus.

I could counter that by saying the people who died still had souls. In this case the erased lose everything.

I'm not arguing from the perspective of Goku so much as a rational person as well

Also at the time he thought fusion was permanent.

[Totamo]

Yamcha deserves better, his manga is still doing good with the backlog sales, but sad that Toriyama sees him as a joke. the japanese fans clearly like him and wouldve been more interesting seeing him fight than the Androids(who already overstayed their welcome imo)..

You can't really use the 'Yamcha' Manga as something that suggests Yamcha is popular (Though I wouldn't be surprised if Yamcha was); it's a story that is only about Yamcha in name.

Well...you can. It`s a story about his whole legacy, the good and bad and particularly the connection with the fanbase. People got hold on it before they knew how the story would unfold and the good sales number followed. At the very least it gives credence that Yamcha is indeed popular narrative and that there`s clearly fanbase that wants to see the underdog get his award and respect.

Bro, come on. Yamcha's death pose is still used as parody in both western and eastern media.


There is a reason they picked Yamcha and not Tien or Piccolo, is because Yamcha is seen as a joke. Even the moments that weren't to be funny have now become funny because how bad this character gets it.

[Totamo]

I'm confident Vegeta is going to unveil some new powerup that allows him to do better than Kaioken Goku before losing

Do you predict rage at the fandom for powerups with no explanation because they won't get an explanation.

[sintzu]

I'm confident Vegeta is going to unveil some new powerup that allows him to do better than Kaioken Goku before losing

Do you predict rage at the fandom for powerups with no explanation because they won't get an explanation.

Vegeta can get anything no matter how little sense it makes and his loyal fans will defend it. He is Vegeta after all.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

I'm confident Vegeta is going to unveil some new powerup that allows him to do better than Kaioken Goku before losing

Do you predict rage at the fandom for powerups with no explanation because they won't get an explanation.

Vegeta can get anything no matter how little sense it makes and his loyal fans will defend it. He is Vegeta after all.

Agree.

[Totamo]

I'm confident Vegeta is going to unveil some new powerup that allows him to do better than Kaioken Goku before losing

Do you predict rage at the fandom for powerups with no explanation because they won't get an explanation.

Vegeta can get anything no matter how little sense it makes and his loyal fans will defend it. He is Vegeta after all.

You know, I can't even get mad at that statement.

[sintzu]

You know, I can't even get mad at that statement.

Thank you. You're this much closer to becming a Vegeta club member.

[SonReggie]

I'm confident Vegeta is going to unveil some new powerup that allows him to do better than Kaioken Goku before losing

Agreed. That IS the time-honoured format we've come to expect and I doubt that any traditions are going to be broken here either.

[HeroR]

I'm confident Vegeta is going to unveil some new powerup that allows him to do better than Kaioken Goku before losing

Agreed. That IS the time-honoured format we've come to expect and I doubt that any traditions are going to be broken here either.

Vegeta went two story arc without matching Kaioken Blue, what time-honoured format are your referring to?

[perucho1990]

Damn, some Vegeta fans on twitter begging for Disney to buy Toei if Vegeta loses to Jiren, because they will feel they will do a better job handling DBS (after Disney bought Fox)

Tomorrow we should get episode 121 spoiler pic, I still believe that they will confirm a movie is set for next year, it seemed that Chioka didnt want to spoil the surprise.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

Damn, some Vegeta fans on twitter begging for Disney to buy Toei if Vegeta loses to Jiren, because they will feel they will do a better job handling DBS

Tomorrow we should get episode 121 spoiler pic, I still believe that they will confirm a movie is set for next year, it seemed that Chioka didnt want to spoil the surprise.

Really show me?!

[TekTheNinja]

You can't really use the 'Yamcha' Manga as something that suggests Yamcha is popular (Though I wouldn't be surprised if Yamcha was); it's a story that is only about Yamcha in name.

Well...you can. It`s a story about his whole legacy, the good and bad and particularly the connection with the fanbase. People got hold on it before they knew how the story would unfold and the good sales number followed. At the very least it gives credence that Yamcha is indeed popular narrative and that there`s clearly fanbase that wants to see the underdog get his award and respect.

Bro, come on. Yamcha's death pose is still used as parody in both western and eastern media.


There is a reason they picked Yamcha and not Tien or Piccolo, is because Yamcha is seen as a joke. Even the moments that weren't to be funny have now become funny because how bad this character gets it.

Thing is, he was never treated as a joke in-universe until Super. He used to be a trusted friend and fighter, but here no one even thought to invite him despite his clear desire to go. Goku even thought of bringing Frieza of all people before thinking of his long-time friend.

[Totamo]

Well...you can. It`s a story about his whole legacy, the good and bad and particularly the connection with the fanbase. People got hold on it before they knew how the story would unfold and the good sales number followed. At the very least it gives credence that Yamcha is indeed popular narrative and that there`s clearly fanbase that wants to see the underdog get his award and respect.

Bro, come on. Yamcha's death pose is still used as parody in both western and eastern media.


There is a reason they picked Yamcha and not Tien or Piccolo, is because Yamcha is seen as a joke. Even the moments that weren't to be funny have now become funny because how bad this character gets it.

Thing is, he was never treated as a joke in-universe until Super. He used to be a trusted friend and fighter, but here no one even thought to invite him despite his clear desire to go. Goku even thought of bringing Frieza of all people before thinking of his long-time friend.

This is true and I will not deny that but what did you think would happen after years and years of Yamcha mockery, that the show would try to change that or make as much money of it as possible.

[Olympian]

Bro, come on. Yamcha's death pose is still used as parody in both western and eastern media..

So is Vegeta crying and the over 9000 line. So is Kuririn dying.

There is a reason they picked Yamcha and not Tien or Piccolo, is because Yamcha is seen as a joke. Even the moments that weren't to be funny have now become funny because how bad this character gets it.

None of us were at the meeting where this was greenlight but the author drapped a story that didn`t present Yamcha as a joke. He wasn`t presented as a joke in story anymore than the others were (they all have gag-elements), until 2008, under Toryama`s direction. The joke comes from the fanbase, so using a Dragon Ball nerd to be reborn as Yamcha is a narrative tool to extrapolate it.

If I had to guess any reasons, I`d say you`re mentioning two characters that while popular are the most stoic of the whole cast. Tenshinhan in particular is too damn serious at a fault, he hardly shows emotions. Yamcha is a popular and more relatable character and got the fan perception you can use to shape a story to his benefit.

[sintzu]

Damn, some Vegeta fans on twitter begging for Disney to buy Toei if Vegeta loses to Jiren, because they will feel they will do a better job handling DBS (after Disney bought Fox)

That's insane, there's no way Disney...but if they give Vegeta his own show and comic...you know what, that's not a bad idea. Come on Disney, another 2-4 billion isn't that much.