"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Olympian]

It`s not a DBZ hole or Super hole, it`s a retcon..

[HECTOR4]

I'm waiting for the translation to see what's actually said. I find it weird Toyotarõ mentioning Oob just because, it might a reminder because he'll be important later own. Currently I'm on the boat that it's a set up for later.
The mystery part ins't relevant, everyone knows who Oob is.

We'll see what happens, but maybe for us the Oob theme is not a mystery, but for someone who wants to read the Dragon Ball manga in an orderly fashion for the first time since the beginning, it would be a great SPOILER, haha.

We more or less knew something was coming the moment Goku gave his final words to Kid Buu anyway.

I knew it before I saw it because at the time someone made me SPOILER, hahaha, but the appearance of a reincarnation was something that had never been seen before in the series, and many people may not have expected it, maybe some people didn't relate the Goku's words with the mysterious fighter from the tournament.

It's not a Super hole. It's a DBZ hole. 17 knew the voice of Goku without seeing or hearing him. This is only a (futile) try of Toyotaro to fix that.

Exactly. But is a hole in the general plot.

It`s not a DBZ hole or Super hole, it`s a retcon..

Ummm, maybe all the failures of the DB manga and the Dragon Ball franchise are retcons ... It must be the only series that has a retcon in almost every chapter (and I talk about the whole DB manga in general).

[Kanassa]

, but the appearance of a reincarnation was something that had never been seen before in the series

Isn't Piccolo the reincarnation of King Piccolo?

[HECTOR4]

, but the appearance of a reincarnation was something that had never been seen before in the series

Isn't Piccolo the reincarnation of King Piccolo?

This is a good question, haha. Is Piccolo Jr. the reincarnation of King Piccolo or a different character? In the original manga there are contradictory comments about that...O.o

[Bullza]

This is a good question, haha. Is Piccolo Jr. the reincarnation of King Piccolo or a different character? In the original manga there are contradictory comments about that...O.o

King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr are practically the exact same character.

[Whatever]

This is a good question, haha. Is Piccolo Jr. the reincarnation of King Piccolo or a different character? In the original manga there are contradictory comments about that...O.o

King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr are practically the exact same character.

Yes and no,Piccolo Jr is both the son and reincarnation of King Piccolo,numerous times in the series Piccolo is referred to as both his son and reincarnation.
Its kinda weird,it seems its like how Jesus is both God and God's son at the same time.
The only thing we know for sure is that PiccoloJr is King Piccolo to some extent and his own person as well,so yeah go figure.

[TKA]

This is a good question, haha. Is Piccolo Jr. the reincarnation of King Piccolo or a different character? In the original manga there are contradictory comments about that...O.o

King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr are practically the exact same character.

Uhm, no.

Piccolo and King Piccolo are such different characters that they even have different physical designs.

In terms of diegesis, Piccolo is the son and reincarnation of Piccolo Jr. Reincarnation, not resurrection. He is a different person.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

That`s what I mean. We already saw how Toryama intended Ubb to be powerful in the final chapter of his manga and that was before he had any oficial training in using his raw power. He was all instinct and emotion.

Bra is a shopping girl until they do something with her, if they ever.

That was gt in end of z she was 3 and it’s obvious they will do something with her.

[Bullza]

Uhm, no.

Piccolo and King Piccolo are such different characters that they even have different physical designs.

In terms of diegesis, Piccolo is the son and reincarnation of Piccolo Jr. Reincarnation, not resurrection. He is a different person.

That's just an art style. Piccolo Jr actually refers to King Piccolo's actions as "I".

"I began as evil incarnate, separated from Kami Sama". Or Tien referring to how Piccolo Jr used to be the Great Demon King.

Piccolo Jr refers to himself as King Piccolo, he has all of his memories and even joined with Kami to become the exact same Namekian they originally split from.

It's the same character pretty much just in a different body that still looks exactly the same.

[HECTOR4]

Piccolo and King Piccolo are such different characters that they even have different physical designs.

Uuuummm... King Piccolo in his youth had the same look as his son.



This means that when Junior reaches the (physical) age that his father had in the King Piccolo saga (when rejuvenated), Piccolo Jr. should have the same features on his face.

[nato25]

I would say the Piccolo we have now is the son of the King Piccolo we knew back from Dragon Ball. King Piccolo creates an egg to give birth to his offspring, sort of similarly to how he spawns demons such as Drum and Tambourine.

As his son I guess it's just an ability he has to recreate with Kami as he is the bi product of the product of the split. Him saying he is King Piccolo incarnate is also correct I guess, for all intensive purposes King Piccolo birthed current Piccolo to grow up and continue his wrath.

[alakazam^]

Ummm, maybe all the failures of the DB manga and the Dragon Ball franchise are retcons ... It must be the only series that has a retcon in almost every chapter (and I talk about the whole DB manga in general).

This isn't true in the slightest.

[JulianStyles]

In your opinion

To a lot of peoples opinion.

So what? The majority wins and decide?

No but when the creator has more to do with the manga. Actually makes changes and gives suggestions. And proof reads the rough drafts before finalization. Then yea its more canon. Toei take the outlines and runs wild with them. And add crazy filler crap into.

[HECTOR4]

Ummm, maybe all the failures of the DB manga and the Dragon Ball franchise are retcons ... It must be the only series that has a retcon in almost every chapter (and I talk about the whole DB manga in general).

This isn't true in the slightest.

Maybe it's an exaggeration, but Toriyama's manga is full of Toriyama's mistakes and confusions. And Toyotaro's manga too. There are many contradictions and inconsistencies, some more important than others. It would be nice to make a list of everyone ^^

[Pannaliciour]

Good to see the manga is fixing the travesty and disrespect for characters and known power scale that the anime has done. Toriyama gives suggestions, changes things and proof reads Toyotaros manga before it finalized. This is the true canon of Super.

In your opinion

To a lot of peoples opinion.

Actually Toyotaro is more going his own way these last saga's as Toriyama and Toyotaros mention. Thats not close to be canon. The anime had at least the ROF saga (as Toriyama ordered) while the manga skipped it.

[JulianStyles]

In your opinion

To a lot of peoples opinion.

Actually Toyotaro is more going his own way these last saga's as Toriyama and Toyotaros mention. Thats not close to be canon. The anime had at least the ROF saga (as Toriyama ordered) while the manga skipped it.

Youre wrong. Recent interviews confirm the manga is more canon. It made no sense to do the ROF because Toyotaro had already did the manga for the movie. So what you want? 4 adaptions of the same story. The super manga mentioned want happened in ROF.

Toriyama has more to do with the manga. Actually makes changes and gives suggestions. And proof reads the rough drafts before finalization. Then yea its more canon. Toei take the outlines and runs wild with them. And add crazy filler crap into.

[Kenneth La Torre]

To a lot of peoples opinion.

Actually Toyotaro is more going his own way these last saga's as Toriyama and Toyotaros mention. Thats not close to be canon. The anime had at least the ROF saga (as Toriyama ordered) while the manga skipped it.

Youre wrong. Recent interviews confirm the manga is more canon. It made no sense to do the ROF because Toyotaro had already did the manga for the movie. So what you want? 4 adaptions of the same story. The super manga mentioned want happened in ROF.

Toriyama has more to do with the manga. Actually makes changes and gives suggestions. And proof reads the rough drafts before finalization. Then yea its more canon. Toei take the outlines and runs wild with them. And add crazy filler crap into.

Poor you, thinking the manga is more canon. The manga is only just as canon as the anime. The anime is primary canon tho, as it is far ahead of the manga.

[OLKv3]

The added bomb tidbit is a dumb change.

[HeroR]

Actually Toyotaro is more going his own way these last saga's as Toriyama and Toyotaros mention. Thats not close to be canon. The anime had at least the ROF saga (as Toriyama ordered) while the manga skipped it.

Youre wrong. Recent interviews confirm the manga is more canon. It made no sense to do the ROF because Toyotaro had already did the manga for the movie. So what you want? 4 adaptions of the same story. The super manga mentioned want happened in ROF.

Toriyama has more to do with the manga. Actually makes changes and gives suggestions. And proof reads the rough drafts before finalization. Then yea its more canon. Toei take the outlines and runs wild with them. And add crazy filler crap into.

Poor you, thinking the manga is more canon. The manga is only just as canon as the anime. The anime is primary canon tho, as it is far ahead of the manga.

What to add, the Toyo's adaption of Resurrection 'F' isn't even completed. It stops at Goku vs. true form Freeza.

And Toriyama looks at everything regarding Dragon Ball, not just the Super manga. We only know more about the manga since Toriyama did two direct interviews with Toyo.


And chapter's up on Viz: https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapter/ ... 502?read=1

[HeroR]

The added bomb tidbit is a dumb change.

According to the manga, it was Krillin's kindness in removing the bomb that changed 17,