Who is the most useless DB character?

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:41 pm

Copper. He is so freaking useless that he is only mentioned.

Post by **TripleRach** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:32 pm

DNA wrote:Copper. He is so freaking useless that he is only mentioned.

Brown is also only mentioned, but Copper at least had a rank given.

Although Brown did find the first ball for the RRA, so I guess Copper is more useless.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:05 pm

Huh. I always thought Brown and Copper were the same guy, translated differently...I only remember one of them being listed in the Daizenshuu's RRA flowchart. Oh well. *shrugs*

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:18 pm

Thanos6 wrote:Daizenshuu's RRA flowchart.

Can I see that thang? :3

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:23 pm

DNA wrote:
Thanos6 wrote:Daizenshuu's RRA flowchart.
Can I see that thang? :3

If I had a scanner...or if I could find that translated picture of it I saved from somewhere (PlanetNamek?) literally years ago...

I'll go hunting through my old CDs of pics, but no promises I can find it.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:27 pm

Thanks anyway dude ;]

Toniofalcon · Post by **Toniofalcon** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:39 pm

SaiyamanMS wrote:Ok... How did this change from the "Who is the most useless DB character?" to "Who is the best DB yaoi couple?"?

Also, Goten and Trunks as a couple? No way. Tenshinhan and Chaozu is where it's at. Ever notice how they're always together? And how Tenshinhan lost his will to live both times when Chaozu died? Or how despite the fact that Lunch clearly likes Tenshinhan, he still prefers Chaozu's company over hers? Heck, look at the bedroom scene in DB movie 3! They're totally gay for each other.

Tien and Choazu are brothers, man ( not literately) . Plus Lunch is a crazy bitch and Tienshinhan don't have time to deal with that. Picture doing her when she's blond and then suddenly she turns blue haired and starts to cry or something? Tien don't got time. He'd rather train ( forever ) with his pale friend Choazu.

Actually, that relationship interests me. Why would someone seemingly so strong spend a lot of their life with someone who's seemingly so weak? If only there was some sort of back story that describes where and how they first met .....

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:58 pm

Toniofalcon wrote:Actually, that relationship interests me. Why would someone seemingly so strong spend a lot of their life with someone who's seemingly so weak? If only there was some sort of back story that describes where and how they first met .....

The dark alley behind the Burger King in East City.

Contra Deus · Post by **Contra Deus** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:42 pm

Better yet, why does Tenshinhan almost never wear a shirt?

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:18 pm

Chaozu... umm... inherited lots of crap and got weird powers because of a braintumor (the removal of which resulted in him losing his hair and remaining puppet-like for eternity), so Tsuru Sen'nin's like, "Oooh wealth and power gimme!" And Chaozu's like "*sigh*" so he becomes a student and TaoPaipai beats the crap out of Ten because he's clearly the strongest so they really just keep Chaozu around to telekinesis stuff so it's Ten's job to take care of him and... urm... bonding occurs.
Well, I guess I don't have to write the first half of that fic now. ^___^.

Blue and Zarban.

. Yeah... I think I still vote Yamu as most useless.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:03 pm

Vegeta.

Yeah, I said it.

He gets his ass kicked about as much as Kuririn, he just happens to look cooler. And not even all the time. Rikum- Vegeta manages to give Rikum a warm up. Kuririn makes him eat his own Eraser Gun. Freeza form 2- Vegeta fires a sneak attack that does nothing, tries to run away only to be dragged back to the fight and thrown into a mountain. Kuririn phsycially disfigures Freeza.

The funny thing to me in comparing the two is that Vegeta is soooo much stronger and seen as this uber badass. What he does accomplish is, in my opinion, negated by what he fucks up. He goads Freeza into transforming early. He threatens the earth's safety if anyone tries to take out Gero's lab early. He allows Cell to become perfect. He directly causes Buu's resurrection, and crushes his potara later. All of that greatly outweighs the fact that he killed Gurd, Jheese, #19, and Pui Pui. Look at that trend. his greatest accomplishments (including Dodoria and Zarbon) are in situations where his power makes his opponents laughable. There's none of that struggle and prevail against insurmountable odds like with most other Z Senshi. He's either got the fight in the bag, or he's fucked.

And don't say Trunks. Sleeping with Bulma isn't a feat (in my opinion, but I won't go down that road). His son being everything he isn't doesn't somehow reflect on Vegeta. And it takes two to tango, and Bulma carried the kid and nurtured it. Vegeta got his dick went and then wet into outer space. And people say Goku's a deadbeat dad?

ssorcd · Post by **ssorcd** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:52 pm

Onikage725 wrote:Vegeta.

Yeah, I said it.

He gets his ass kicked about as much as Kuririn, he just happens to look cooler. And not even all the time. Rikum- Vegeta manages to give Rikum a warm up. Kuririn makes him eat his own Eraser Gun. Freeza form 2- Vegeta fires a sneak attack that does nothing, tries to run away only to be dragged back to the fight and thrown into a mountain. Kuririn phsycially disfigures Freeza.

The funny thing to me in comparing the two is that Vegeta is soooo much stronger and seen as this uber badass. What he does accomplish is, in my opinion, negated by what he fucks up. He goads Freeza into transforming early. He threatens the earth's safety if anyone tries to take out Gero's lab early. He allows Cell to become perfect. He directly causes Buu's resurrection, and crushes his potara later. All of that greatly outweighs the fact that he killed Gurd, Jheese, #19, and Pui Pui. Look at that trend. his greatest accomplishments (including Dodoria and Zarbon) are in situations where his power makes his opponents laughable. There's none of that struggle and prevail against insurmountable odds like with most other Z Senshi. He's either got the fight in the bag, or he's fucked.

And don't say Trunks. Sleeping with Bulma isn't a feat (in my opinion, but I won't go down that road). His son being everything he isn't doesn't somehow reflect on Vegeta. And it takes two to tango, and Bulma carried the kid and nurtured it. Vegeta got his dick went and then went into outer space. And people say Goku's a deadbeat dad?

It's not like he helped Gohan beat Cell or anything because I'm sure Kuririn could have done that.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:20 pm

Mr. Satan throwing a rock at Cell would have the same distracting effect Vegeta's attack did.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:21 pm

Onikage725 wrote:What he does accomplish is, in my opinion, negated by what he fucks up. He goads Freeza into transforming early.

I call shenanigans. Freeza was going to transform anyway as soon as anybody started to get the upper hand on him.

He threatens the earth's safety if anyone tries to take out Gero's lab early.

So does Goku, indirectly. Hell, even Tien and Krillin agree with Vegeta there, IIRC.

He allows Cell to become perfect.

So does Krillin.

He directly causes Buu's resurrection, and crushes his potara later.

So does Goku.

And don't say Trunks. Sleeping with Bulma isn't a feat (in my opinion, but I won't go down that road). His son being everything he isn't doesn't somehow reflect on Vegeta.

Yeah, Vegeta's not as dumb as Trunks.

ssorcd · Post by **ssorcd** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:26 pm

DNA wrote:Mr. Satan throwing a rock at Cell would have the same distracting effect Vegeta's attack did.

Sad thing is Mr. Satan becomes more useful than most of the cast later on.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:18 pm

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:52 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:Whoa now. Neither Goku, Tenshinhan, nor Kuririn actually went and threatened to go off on a rampage attacking civilians if anyone made any move to destroy Gero's lab. That was all Vegeta right there.

I... don't recall Vegeta saying that. He threatens the Z-fighters, yeah, I don't think he said that. Might be anime-only.

Huh? Wha?

Kuririn doesn't "let" Cell become perfect. He actually attempts to stop Cell from absorbing 18. He fails... but he made the honest effort.

Aha, no. He had the perfect chance to destroy #18, but crushed the deactivation switch because he "wuved" her.

Vegeta went and actively helped Cell do it, even going so far as fighting Trunks to keep him off Cell's back.

I contend that crushing the only way to stop Cell from becoming perfect is actively helping him.

But as far as resurrecting Buu goes, Goku didn't start the fight that caused Buu's resurrection; again that was all Vegeta.

Goku threatened to blast Supreme Kai if he didn't move and let him and Vegeta fight.

What has Trunks ever done to establish that he's "dumb"? This I'm curious to hear.

"I gotta have muscles! Gotta have muscles on my muscles! Gotta have muscles on my eyeballs! AHAHAHAmuscles"

At the end of the day, Trunks was the one of the two who was smart enough to know that Cell becoming Perfect was a bad thing and should be stopped.

Aye.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:34 pm

Whoa, I wasn't trying to piss off Vegeta fanboys. A guy's entitled to his opinion right? If that is said, there are some silly things being said... but that's what I expect out of Veggie-fandom. Kinda like how I hear people go on about how awwwwwwwwwwwesome Vegeta was when he powered up to rush Broli, while ignoring the fact that he spent the entire rest of the fight sitting on his ass and whining.

Rocketman wrote:
I... don't recall Vegeta saying that. He threatens the Z-fighters, yeah, I don't think he said that. Might be anime-only.

Could it have been a dub-sub difference? I'll d/l it or something later, unless anyone with the DVD has it on hand. Off the top of your head, do you know the ep number? I'm behind a firewall, so searching that is all kinds of annoying. If I recall correctly (and it is possible I don't) the dub had Vegeta dismiss Bulma's plan as idiotic and when Bulma got huffy everyone was like "well he has a point." In the original, the thing is that Vegeta needs a goal, and this is now it. So he says that if they try to pull this crap and deprive him of his challenge, he'll cause destruction. The others are more like "ok, humour him, we don't want him flying off the handle."

I contend that crushing the only way to stop Cell from becoming perfect is actively helping him.

I can respect that opinion. It's just that, in my own opinion, I don't see the two the same. #18 wasn't the same evil thing she was in the alternate future. Kuririn deciding he can't kill her in cold blood may have been kinda cheesy (ok, very cheesy), but that doesn't compare to what Vegeta did. You know why? Destroying 17/18 was the last ditch plan, but supposedly Vegeta was on the ball after his training. The artificial humans were, for all intents and purposes, no longer an issue. Vegeta could have finished Cell off at any time. That sure as hell would have stopped his perfection far more efficiently. He had to die anyway, right?

When Vegeta started acting like a punk, Trunks was more than up to the task of killing Cell. Vegeta actually attacks Trunks to keep him from killing Cell. I'd say that Vegeta teaming up with Cell in order to facilitate his perfection was of a bigger help.

Goku threatened to blast Supreme Kai if he didn't move and let him and Vegeta fight.

And? First off, if you want to go on about how retarded Goku is, I am more than up to the task. But this thread is on usefullness. As ridiculous as Goku can get, I can't deny he does accomplish quite a bit. That said, on the Majin Vegeta affair... are you kidding me? Vegeta LET himself be possessed, just to fight Goku. He murdered innocents and threatened to murder a lot more. Goku only agreed to fight him to save others, hoping that Gohan could kill Dabura and Babidi in time. He also didn't think Vegeta would take that long to defeat until Vegeta unveiled SSJ2. So no, Vegeta gets loads more credit for that shit than Goku. What was he supposed to do? Ignore Vegeta? Do you think Vegeta would let that happen?

"I gotta have muscles! Gotta have muscles on my muscles! Gotta have muscles on my eyeballs! AHAHAHAmuscles"

Agreed... but I wouldn't call one mistake "dumb." He wasn't strong enough at the first stage anyway. One could say he was fucked either way, but at least at the 2nd stage he packed a bit of a punch. I don't think "failing at speed" comes anywhere close to "let Cell become Perfect."

Oh, and on your response about Freeza- Freeza didn't fight anyone stronger than him until Goku went SSJ (except possibly Piccolo, but that was close). And when Freeza went for 100%, Goku could have chosen to stop him. So I would contend that if they had fought Freeza at form 1, and Piccolo arrived (fused and everything) he may well have crushed the little runt before he could transform. And he may have been strong enough to stop the transformation if Freeza tried. He was twice as strong as Freeza's first form, roughly. Pure speculation, I realize. I just think, when faced with an opponent, who is way more badass than you, casually taunting him into becoming twice as strong is not exactly a solid battle strategy.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:11 pm

Onikage725 wrote:Whoa, I wasn't trying to piss off Vegeta fanboys. A guy's entitled to his opinion right? If that is said, there are some silly things being said... but that's what I expect out of Veggie-fandom.

Woah, I'm not a Vegeta fanboy. I just get irritated when he gets ragged on for acting the same way as most of the other characters. Nobody gets on Goku's case about letting Freeza live.

While it's probably backlash against the "Veggie-chan is leetzorz ^_^" crowd, it's still irritating.

Kinda like how I hear people go on about how awwwwwwwwwwwesome Vegeta was when he powered up to rush Broli, while ignoring the fact that he spent the entire rest of the fight sitting on his ass and whining.

Where Vegeta was right about Broly's strength and if it wasn't for it being a movie, Broly would have crushed them all.

Could it have been a dub-sub difference? I'll d/l it or something later, unless anyone with the DVD has it on hand. Off the top of your head, do you know the ep number? I'm behind a firewall, so searching that is all kinds of annoying. If I recall correctly (and it is possible I don't) the dub had Vegeta dismiss Bulma's plan as idiotic and when Bulma got huffy everyone was like "well he has a point." In the original, the thing is that Vegeta needs a goal, and this is now it. So he says that if they try to pull this crap and deprive him of his challenge, he'll cause destruction. The others are more like "ok, humour him, we don't want him flying off the handle."

I'm pretty sure only Krillin says that. The other fighters mostly seem to agree in wanting the new challenge. Unfortunately, I don't know the episode number nor do I have my manga with me.

I can respect that opinion. It's just that, in my own opinion, I don't see the two the same. #18 wasn't the same evil thing she was in the alternate future. Kuririn deciding he can't kill her in cold blood may have been kinda cheesy (ok, very cheesy)

We knew that, Krillin didn't. Given that his 'flashback' in the manga is of her kissing him, it's pretty obvious he's thinking with his lower horn.

Maybe if Vegeta had planted a wet one on Krillin back in the Saiyan Saga, he could've gotten away much easier.

, but that doesn't compare to what Vegeta did. You know why? Destroying 17/18 was the last ditch plan,

Would the last ditch plan be used in the unforeseen event that one of your allies decides he wants to see Cell become perfect?

When Vegeta started acting like a punk, Trunks was more than up to the task of killing Cell. Vegeta actually attacks Trunks to keep him from killing Cell. I'd say that Vegeta teaming up with Cell in order to facilitate his perfection was of a bigger help.

I say they're equal, just because if Krillin had destroyed #18, then Vegeta could strip to his boxers and tango with Cell and it wouldn't matter.

That said, on the Majin Vegeta affair... are you kidding me?

Partially, yeah. Although, since we're talking just plain dumb moves, trusting Gohan to do anything but eat all of his roommate's Bugles tops the list.

Agreed... but I wouldn't call one mistake "dumb." He wasn't strong enough at the first stage anyway. One could say he was fucked either way, but at least at the 2nd stage he packed a bit of a punch. I don't think "failing at speed" comes anywhere close to "let Cell become Perfect."

True, but he didn't pack any of a punch. In the manga, he never so much as touches Cell.

And [Piccolo] may have been strong enough to stop the transformation if Freeza tried.

I doubt it. He didn't try to stop Freeza's third form from showing up.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:42 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Woah, I'm not a Vegeta fanboy. I just get irritated when he gets ragged on for acting the same way as most of the other characters. Nobody gets on Goku's case about letting Freeza live.

While it's probably backlash against the "Veggie-chan is leetzorz ^_^" crowd, it's still irritating.

As I said, I can rip on Goku just as much. But in the interest of staying on topic for this thread, Vegeta's the one I think is pretty useless. I can't say that about Goku. I can say a lot about Goku, but not "useless."

Where Vegeta was right about Broly's strength and if it wasn't for it being a movie, Broly would have crushed them all.

Right or not, it is ironic that captain badass', mr "I love a true challenge," felt that the best response to a superior foe was literally to roll over and die. And the two seconds where he grew a pair is seen by his fanboys as the highlight of the film. Then he gets dropped with one hit, and doesn't get up again. AND when shown a clear path to victory (overpowering Goku), Vegeta acts like his shit doesn't stink- like he'd rather just crawl into a hole and die before actually doing something constructive. Hell, I kinda wish he did.

I'm pretty sure only Krillin says that. The other fighters mostly seem to agree in wanting the new challenge. Unfortunately, I don't know the episode number nor do I have my manga with me.

I think its ep 123 or 124. Ill get back to you.

EDIT: 123. Ok, the difference was basically in Vegeta saying in the dub the idea was stupid. He threatens to kill anyone who tries to kill Gero in the Japanese version. Goku in the dub agreed with Vegeta that the plan was flawed. In the Japanese version, he says that he wants to fight too (Saiya-jin pride, I suppose). So it isn't that he thinks Bulma's plan is stupid, like in the dub, so much as he wants to test himself. Then Ten throws in with them. The whole situation's pretty ridiculous. Yamcha obviously doesn't agree, but this is the part of the series where Yamcha + balls = no. Kuririn gives a speech about how cool it is that everyone is friends now, having once been enemies but always uniting against greater foes. Then he whispers that without a common foe to focus on, Vegeta would pretty much be a total douche. (I don't remember how the dub handled this part).

I say they're equal, just because if Krillin had destroyed #18, then Vegeta could strip to his boxers and tango with Cell and it wouldn't matter.

And if Vegeta had just killed Cell, I wouldn't have that very disturbing image in my head.

Partially, yeah. Although, since we're talking just plain dumb moves, trusting Gohan to do anything but eat all of his roommate's Bugles tops the list.

Yeah but Goku's retarded. And, technically, if Gohan would just grow a pair, he would be badass. That's why Goku gave him the whole "get angry" speech. I think he should have gone for a "try going level 2 you moron" speech, but whatever.

True, but he didn't pack any of a punch. In the manga, he never so much as touches Cell.

Yeah, but can you blame the kid for trying? Vegeta's fight proved that at stage 1 he wasn't going to hurt Cell. He had to try something

I doubt it. He didn't try to stop Freeza's third form from showing up.

That's part of my theory. Form 3 Freeza > Piccolo. So Piccolo could do nothing to stop it. As Freeza's power increased during transformation, he moved further and further out of Piccolo's range. SSJ Goku > 4th form Freeza, even at 100%. And we're told he could have stopped Freeza. So, by that logic, Piccolo being > 1st form Freeza and roughly = 2nd form could have potentially stopped an attempt by 1st form to change to 2nd. But the fight woulda been pretty boring, hence that didn't happen.

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