"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Tomorrow the spoilers should be out(other series spoilers are already coming out), the thing to look forward is if Vegeta will survive Jiren or not.

I'm sure they will not spoil that out.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

The one that needs to go is 18, she NEEDS to go and become Anizara victim, the moment she goes IMO its the moment Freeza steps in to help Team U7.

Sorry for 18 fans that this arc will be the last time we see her fight, after this back to housewife role.

Honestly after this arc everyone but goku and vegeta are going back to fodder.

[Khandom101]

The one that needs to go is 18, she NEEDS to go and become Anizara victim, the moment she goes IMO its the moment Freeza steps in to help Team U7.

Sorry for 18 fans that this arc will be the last time we see her fight, after this back to housewife role.

Honestly after this arc everyone but goku and vegeta are going back to fodder.

You forgot to mention Gohan and Android 17 (have pretty high hope for them)

[sintzu]

The one that needs to go is 18, she NEEDS to go and become Anizara victim, the moment she goes IMO its the moment Freeza steps in to help Team U7.

Sorry for 18 fans that this arc will be the last time we see her fight, after this back to housewife role.

Honestly after this arc everyone but goku and vegeta are going back to fodder.

You forgot to mention Gohan and Android 17 (have pretty high hope for them)

Good luck to them keeping up with Goku who thanks to UI can't even be touched now and there's a high chance Vegeta is getting it or something to boost his power in the next few episodes. The anime isn't that big on power levels so they might be able to give them a bit of screen time here and there but as things stand now they're done when it comes to serious fighting, especially in the manga where power levels are taken more seriously. This is of course based on Toriyama not powering them up but if they happen to train with Whis then that'll be a different story.

[ArchedThunder]

The Papparoni controlling the Androids stuff was mistranslated by Herms.

Ken Xyro translations were more accurate.

Tomorrow the spoilers should be out(other series spoilers are already coming out), the thing to look forward is if Vegeta will survive Jiren or not.

Herms never said they were being controlled, the preview said that a they bowed their heads when there was a blinding light, as in they put their heads down to guard their eyes.
People just jumped to conclusions, AGAIN.

[Lapislettuce]

The one that needs to go is 18, she NEEDS to go and become Anizara victim, the moment she goes IMO its the moment Freeza steps in to help Team U7.

Sorry for 18 fans that this arc will be the last time we see her fight, after this back to housewife role.

Honestly after this arc everyone but goku and vegeta are going back to fodder.

Is sit even confirmed that there will be another arc after this one ?

[Michsi]

The Papparoni controlling the Androids stuff was mistranslated by Herms.

Ken Xyro translations were more accurate.

Tomorrow the spoilers should be out(other series spoilers are already coming out), the thing to look forward is if Vegeta will survive Jiren or not.

Herms never said they were being controlled, the preview said that a they bowed their heads when there was a blinding light, as in they put their heads down to guard their eyes.
People just jumped to conclusions, AGAIN.

To be fair, how would you have interpreted that sentence?

That was an odd thing to put in a summary.

[Kanassa]

The Papparoni controlling the Androids stuff was mistranslated by Herms.

Ken Xyro translations were more accurate.

Tomorrow the spoilers should be out(other series spoilers are already coming out), the thing to look forward is if Vegeta will survive Jiren or not.

Herms never said they were being controlled, the preview said that a they bowed their heads when there was a blinding light, as in they put their heads down to guard their eyes.
People just jumped to conclusions, AGAIN.

Didn't the spoiler word it as something along the lines of "Instead of shielding their eyes from the blinding light like the others, the Androids bow their heads..."?

[Alruneia]

Herms never said they were being controlled, the preview said that a they bowed their heads when there was a blinding light, as in they put their heads down to guard their eyes.
People just jumped to conclusions, AGAIN.

To be fair, how would you have interpreted that sentence?
That was an odd thing to put in a summary.

Literally? I mean, interpreting it literally is the obvious answer. Not everything needs to have a special meaning beyond what it flat out says. I got the feeling they were trying to fill the word quota, so to speak, way more than I got the feeling they were trying to be cryptic about something. Not to mention the part where these summaries have started flat out lying...

[GodKaio-Ken]

But that wasn't him personally struggling so much as his own teammate more or less screwing him. And Vegeta 'struggled' with Super Saiyan. He has at least two transformations he could have used to stomped them. Hence fans accusing Super of 'fake tension'. And 'Katopesla was way better thans 17's', was that really a fight since Vegeta let Katopesla punch him to get UI while 17 just punched him away? 17 was also hit several times by Damon in the back.

What I mean about 'personal issues' is that you seemed to resent 17 for being so strong and not struggling when the same thing could be said about other characters. You claimed he sucks up scene time despite him disappearing for over a month and not fighting again for over two months. He only recently got focused and he shared his scene time with everyone remaining in U7. Even his dedicated episode was shared with Goku and to a lesser extent Vegeta. I mean not liking a character is one thing, but your entire post about him just reeks of resentment.

And what is up with you going with 'do you have personal issues with people talking bad about Super'?

Personally I'm not reading his posts about 17 in the light of a personal issue.

We all like and dislike characters for different reasons. We don't really need to see Vegeta "struggle" because we know where he stands on the totem pole of Super. We know who he should be stomping through watching him the entirety of Z and Super.

I can see why the same can't be said for 17 in some minds, not saying I agree but here we have a character who has done nothing since we last saw him in Z. Okay he's trained....but to some that isn't a valid reason to have him just be so calm and collected.

Obviously he will struggle at some point but I will admit I find it odd he's so easily able to curb stomp everyone.

We can point out fake tension with top characters, but when did 17 become a top character? Everyone that should be in his tier has at least had to exert themselves fully at one point or another.

I think you're underrestimating him and expect him to be weaker than he is. truth is that 17 just didn't meet an opponent who really challenged him.

I'm really not sure how you took that away from my post. The point wasn't that he's weak, the point was that to many of us "He trained" is one of the worst excuses to ever happen in any anime.

Who pushed him to be that strong? Who did he train with? Where does he find the time with a family and island?

I'm not saying those questions don't have answers but I'm saying when you pull a guy back from the middle of Z and he's so powerful you should give an actual backstory or reason.

Roshi also "trained" but in reality he wasn't actually that strong in the tournament.

I like 17 but like a lot of things in Super he's been poorly fleshed out as a character.

[Lapislettuce]

Personally I'm not reading his posts about 17 in the light of a personal issue.

We all like and dislike characters for different reasons. We don't really need to see Vegeta "struggle" because we know where he stands on the totem pole of Super. We know who he should be stomping through watching him the entirety of Z and Super.

I can see why the same can't be said for 17 in some minds, not saying I agree but here we have a character who has done nothing since we last saw him in Z. Okay he's trained....but to some that isn't a valid reason to have him just be so calm and collected.

Obviously he will struggle at some point but I will admit I find it odd he's so easily able to curb stomp everyone.

We can point out fake tension with top characters, but when did 17 become a top character? Everyone that should be in his tier has at least had to exert themselves fully at one point or another.

I think you're underrestimating him and expect him to be weaker than he is. truth is that 17 just didn't meet an opponent who really challenged him.

I'm really not sure how you took that away from my post. The point wasn't that he's weak, the point was that to many of us "He trained" is one of the worst excuses to ever happen in any anime.

Who pushed him to be that strong? Who did he train with? Where does he find the time with a family and island?

I'm not saying those questions don't have answers but I'm saying when you pull a guy back from the middle of Z and he's so powerful you should give an actual backstory or reason.

Roshi also "trained" but in reality he wasn't actually that strong in the tournament.

I like 17 but like a lot of things in Super he's been poorly fleshed out as a character.

I can't say i disagree with you. i also wanted all these answers to be answered but i guess he's not a main character and they don't have time.

[ArchedThunder]

The Papparoni controlling the Androids stuff was mistranslated by Herms.

Ken Xyro translations were more accurate.

Tomorrow the spoilers should be out(other series spoilers are already coming out), the thing to look forward is if Vegeta will survive Jiren or not.

Herms never said they were being controlled, the preview said that a they bowed their heads when there was a blinding light, as in they put their heads down to guard their eyes.
People just jumped to conclusions, AGAIN.

Didn't the spoiler word it as something along the lines of "Instead of shielding their eyes from the blinding light like the others, the Androids bow their heads..."?

No, it says Gohan, Goku and Vegeta sheild their eyes from a blinding light and the androids bow their heads, then the next sentence mentions what happens when the light dies down.
It was just specifying that the two groups shield their eyes differently because the previews like to include weird details.

[Michsi]

Herms never said they were being controlled, the preview said that a they bowed their heads when there was a blinding light, as in they put their heads down to guard their eyes.
People just jumped to conclusions, AGAIN.

To be fair, how would you have interpreted that sentence?
That was an odd thing to put in a summary.

Literally? I mean, interpreting it literally is the obvious answer. Not everything needs to have a special meaning beyond what it flat out says. I got the feeling they were trying to fill the word quota, so to speak, way more than I got the feeling they were trying to be cryptic about something. Not to mention the part where these summaries have started flat out lying...

Obviously, I didn't mean literally. When you read 'bows their head' a very clear implication is that of submission or reverence. Whatever the reason was for that wording, it was a reasonable conjecture to make.
And that's all that it was in the end, people talking about possible scenarios based on what the summaries told us.

[precita]

Honestly after this arc everyone but goku and vegeta are going back to fodder.

You forgot to mention Gohan and Android 17 (have pretty high hope for them)

Good luck to them keeping up with Goku who thanks to UI can't even be touched now and there's a high chance Vegeta is getting it or something to boost his power in the next few episodes. The anime isn't that big on power levels so they might be able to give them a bit of screen time here and there but as things stand now they're done when it comes to serious fighting, especially in the manga where power levels are taken more seriously. This is of course based on Toriyama not powering them up but if they happen to train with Whis then that'll be a different story.

Goku and Vegeta are ALWAYS going to be stronger than everyone else (except maybe Gohan), but that doesn't mean everyone else is not going to do anything. This TOP proved you can have tons of weaker characters in a main fight and still use them.

Realistically speaking I can see the humans like Krillin, Roshi, Tien, and maybe the Androids sitting the next arc out. I think Gohan and Piccolo can easily remain relevant, and I suspect we'll see more focus on the other characters as we move into EOZ like Trunks, Goten, Uub, etc. Especially now that the manga even gave Uub a flashback.

[Kenneth La Torre]

The Papparoni controlling the Androids stuff was mistranslated by Herms.

Ken Xyro translations were more accurate.

Tomorrow the spoilers should be out(other series spoilers are already coming out), the thing to look forward is if Vegeta will survive Jiren or not.

Herms never said they were being controlled, the preview said that a they bowed their heads when there was a blinding light, as in they put their heads down to guard their eyes.
People just jumped to conclusions, AGAIN.

Didn't the spoiler word it as something along the lines of "Instead of shielding their eyes from the blinding light like the others, the Androids bow their heads..."?

No. "Instead of shielding their eyes from the blinding light like the others" was not there at all. they only mentioned them bowing their heads do to the sheer light.

[Lionel]

It's interesting how the recent set-up with the ancillary characters appearing during tournament arcs seems to mirror the arrangement back in DB where you had a trade off between tournaments and conflict-related doomsday scenarios where Goku, the protagonist, was at the forefront except for a few rare occasions. The others don't seem to have very good prospects because I think Toriyama and Toyotaro don't want to be bothered with investing in a long-term plan with all these different faces. They could easily bring them back up to par with Goku and Vegeta if they wanted. I think they just can't be bothered to do anything about it outside of tournaments, unfortunately.

[Xeogran]

But what is the "Dragon Ball Room" for then? It's weird beecause it seemed like things would be more organized after it was announced. Like, you now have a bunch people brainstorming solely on DB in one place, but for some reason not much has changed story-wise.

[HeroR]

But what is the "Dragon Ball Room" for then? It's weird beecause it seemed like things would be more organized after it was announced. Like, you now have a bunch people brainstorming solely on DB in one place, but for some reason not much has changed story-wise.

They effect stuff like the Yamcha manga, not Super which is a product of Toriyama, Toyo, and Toei.

[Noah]

But what is the "Dragon Ball Room" for then? It's weird beecause it seemed like things would be more organized after it was announced. Like, you now have a bunch people brainstorming solely on DB in one place, but for some reason not much has changed story-wise.

I don't know you could say characters like the Androids and Freeza are being treated fairly well than we actually expected, but then you could say that's all part of Toriyama original plot anyway.

[precita]

I don't think Toriyama really cared much for 17, he certainly had no problem letting him fade into obscurity after Cell absorbed him. If you stop to think about it, besides that 10 second cameo he made in the Buu arc when Goku was asking energy for the Spirit Bomb, Android 17 went a 20 year and nearly 200 episode gap without appearances.

After Cell absorbs him you never see 17 again for the rest of the Cell arc even after everyone is brought back to life. And that happened mid-way into the Cell arc so 17 didn't even have much screentime to begin with, wasn't he only around for less than 20 episodes? Then of course he's gone for the entire Buu arc. He doesn't appear in the Beerus movie or the 2008 special. He's gone for Return of F. He's gone for all the fillers and the Zamasu/Black arc. He's gone for most of the TOP arc until Goku meets him.

17 really was completed excluded from the series for the longest time.