"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

LMAO so Vegeta will beat Jiren? What next? Then Vegeta will beat Beerus, all the other angels, and Zeno too?

Sure, why not? Sky is the limit for the prince.

[Totamo]

How Vegeta getting Black in the manga is just fan service despite Black killing his wife, trying to kill his son & destroying the timeline he lives in will be something I'll never understand.

Out of all the 3 in that arc,Vegeta has the least connection to Black,what you said is not much,he has as much connection to Black as Hercule does,you can barely call that a connection so having Black all to himself is a problem itself.
Vegeta having a villain all to himself is fine but there is a time and a place for that and the FT arc was not the place for that,especially when we have 2 other characters around that are more connected to Black as far as his origin and backstory go.

Not only in the manga, in the anime did we also see Vegeta extremely irritated by the pain that Black inflicted on his family (while training in the gravity room, after the fight between Goku SSJ2 and Black).

Black stole Goku's body and killed Chichi and Goten.
Black killed Bulma and destroyed the future of Trunks, in addition to making him suffer for 1 year

Why would Vegeta's connection be less than that of Goku or Trunks?

Because Goku and Trunks are the reasons Black even exist.

[HeroR]

Freeza isn't familiar with Dyspo's speed enhancement technique. Regardless of whether the tyrant holds a power advantage or not, that technique should make Dyspo vastly more quick than what Freeza can perceive. I would hope that the studio doesn't choose to besmirch Hit's struggle in working out how this opponent's strategy operates just to prop Freeza up on an unnecessary pedestal. Knowing what they've done so far with him, though, I almost expect that to happen.

I would be more annoyed at them keeping Dyspo around only for him to be Freeza's toy. You might awhile knocked him out in 104 so he would have some dignity.

[Big Chief]

Sorry but if Aniraza doesnt eliminate anyone then U3 is the biggest joke of the ToP.

Scrub teams like U4 and U9 at least got eliminations.

Dyspo is so getting mangled by Freeza.

He's got to eliminate at least one of the Androids, otherwise they should have just gotten rid of U3 at the end of 120 if they weren't going to have him eliminate anyone.

[MisteryOne]

Out of all the 3 in that arc,Vegeta has the least connection to Black,what you said is not much,he has as much connection to Black as Hercule does,you can barely call that a connection so having Black all to himself is a problem itself.
Vegeta having a villain all to himself is fine but there is a time and a place for that and the FT arc was not the place for that,especially when we have 2 other characters around that are more connected to Black as far as his origin and backstory go.

Not only in the manga, in the anime did we also see Vegeta extremely irritated by the pain that Black inflicted on his family (while training in the gravity room, after the fight between Goku SSJ2 and Black).

Black stole Goku's body and killed Chichi and Goten.
Black killed Bulma and destroyed the future of Trunks, in addition to making him suffer for 1 year

Why would Vegeta's connection be less than that of Goku or Trunks?

Because Goku and Trunks are the reasons Black even exist.

That's only true for the anime version trough, not for the manga one.

[Super_Divine_Genki]

I would hope that the studio doesn't choose to besmirch Hit's struggle in working out how this opponent's strategy operates just to prop Freeza up on an unnecessary pedestal. Knowing what they've done so far with him, though, I almost expect that to happen.

My thoughts exactly. TPTB are trying too hard to make everyone want to love having Freeza around all the time -- the popularity polls aren't going to change that much, if any. It would be refreshing to see Freeza actually struggle for a change instead of him just instantly figuring out an opponents unique abilities to keep propping up how awesome he is. However, I do like that he's been slithering around in the background most of the time.

[HeroR]

Not only in the manga, in the anime did we also see Vegeta extremely irritated by the pain that Black inflicted on his family (while training in the gravity room, after the fight between Goku SSJ2 and Black).

Black stole Goku's body and killed Chichi and Goten.
Black killed Bulma and destroyed the future of Trunks, in addition to making him suffer for 1 year

Why would Vegeta's connection be less than that of Goku or Trunks?

Because Goku and Trunks are the reasons Black even exist.

That's only true for the anime version trough, not for the manga one.

Well, it is true in the manga too to an extent. The Supreme Kai dying on Trunks' watch led Black to his timeline and Zamasu did steal Goku's body, creating Goku Black. The connection just isn't as deed compared to the anime.

[perucho1990]

He's got to eliminate at least one of the Androids, otherwise they should have just gotten rid of U3 at the end of 120 if they weren't going to have him eliminate anyone.

I bet more fans will turn on 18 if she survives episode 121, and call her "the worst female character along with Ribrianne"

[MisteryOne]

Because the writers wanted him to. When Goku gets something(s) there's every excuse known to man that justifies it yet when Vegeta does everyone pulls out the fan service card.

How Vegeta getting Black in the manga is just fan service despite Black killing his wife, trying to kill his son & destroying the timeline he lives in will be something I'll never understand.



Goku also fought Cell and Freeza yet Gohan and Trunks were the ones who finished them off so that doesn't hold any ground.

Goku was the main reason Gohan won that fight, You know that and in the original timeline, Goku beat him so both points are moot. If Vegeta's victory was even close like both of these, you wouldn't call it a vegeta victory.


And for the black arc because Black took Goku's body, not Vegeta's, it was becuase of Goku why Zamaus even went bad and Goku knew Bulma longer than Vegeta did so that point is moot. not to mention Black is kind of an evil Goku and Goku and they didn't even fight once. Not Once.




It was forced especially when you watch the anime and see it actually happen.

Did this guy just say that Goku and Black didn’t fight once? Way to completely make yourself lose all credibility and value to anything that comes through your mouth.

There’s absolutely nothing forced about Vegeta fighting and getting an advantage over Black. Especially when this arc involves his son getting tortured and wife getting murdered. Vegeta lost, trained for x amount of months, and was able to get a leg up on Black.

I’ve seen your posts about Vegeta and Vegeta fans. You just need to accept the fact that you’re biased. You can’t even make accurate assessments.

Eh, Goku never faced Black in the manga (for plot reasons since he would have destroyed him with mastered SSB, but still). They don't even have a personal conection in the same way the do in the anime.

[Whatever]

Not only in the manga, in the anime did we also see Vegeta extremely irritated by the pain that Black inflicted on his family (while training in the gravity room, after the fight between Goku SSJ2 and Black).

Black stole Goku's body and killed Chichi and Goten.
Black killed Bulma and destroyed the future of Trunks, in addition to making him suffer for 1 year

Why would Vegeta's connection be less than that of Goku or Trunks?

We were talking more in regards to the manga,this issue does not exist in the anime since Black interacted way more with Goku and Trunks and fought them as well.

As far as the anime goes Goku is responsible for Zamasu's descend to madness and even in the manga Zamasu stole Goku's body to become Black,so that alone still is more connection to Goku than Vegeta.
And Trunks is responsible for the time travel shenanigans in both versions on top of being his own world that Black is destroying,so yeah the creation/appearance of Black is directly or indirectily influenced by Goku and Trunks in one way or another,Vegeta has none of that.

[MisteryOne]

Because Goku and Trunks are the reasons Black even exist.

That's only true for the anime version trough, not for the manga one.

Well, it is true in the manga too to an extent. The Supreme Kai dying on Trunks' watch led Black to his timeline and Zamasu did steal Goku's body, creating Goku Black. The connection just isn't as deed compared to the anime.

For Trunk's part, yes. I mean pretty much everything post-Cell saga has some type of connection, even if distant, with him. Goku however could be replaced by anyone, in fact Zamasu first stole Monaka's body. They are indeed not as deep as in the anime.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

Not only in the manga, in the anime did we also see Vegeta extremely irritated by the pain that Black inflicted on his family (while training in the gravity room, after the fight between Goku SSJ2 and Black).

Black stole Goku's body and killed Chichi and Goten.
Black killed Bulma and destroyed the future of Trunks, in addition to making him suffer for 1 year

Why would Vegeta's connection be less than that of Goku or Trunks?

We were talking more in regards to the manga,this issue does not exist in the anime since Black interacted way more with Goku and Trunks and fought them as well.

As far as the anime goes Goku is responsible for Zamasu's descend to madness and even in the manga Zamasu stole Goku's body to become Black,so that alone still is more connection to Goku than Vegeta.
And Trunks is responsible for the time travel shenanigans in both versions on top of being his own world that Black is destroying,so yeah the creation/appearance of Black is directly or indirectily influenced by Goku and Trunks in one way or another,Vegeta has none of that.

Vegeta had a reason to fight black
-killed future bulma
-tortured his son
-called him a warm up.

[HeroR]

Eh, Goku never faced Black in the manga (for plot reasons since he would have destroyed him with mastered SSB, but still). They don't even have a personal conection in the same way the do in the anime.

I know that. I was talking about Black and Goku did have a connection, even if it was more shallow compared to the anime. You can not have a connection with someone who steals your body and then killed you afterwards.

For Trunk's part, yes. I mean pretty much everything post-Cell saga has some type of connection, even if distant, with him. Goku however could be replaced by anyone, in fact Zamasu first stole Monaka's body. They are indeed not as deep as in the anime.

I'm quite sure that's a joke panel and isn't what actually happened in the manga.

[sintzu]

Vegeta had a reason to fight black
-killed future bulma
-tortured his son
-called him a warm up.

It's amazing how Goku can get everything from the start of the franchise yet when Vegeta or anyone else gets the samallest of things his fanboys are jumping up and down about it.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

Vegeta had a reason to fight black
-killed future bulma
-tortured his son
-called him a warm up.

It's amazing how Goku can get everything from the start of the franchise yet when Vegeta or anyone else gets the samallest of things his fanboys are jumping up and down about it.

So true.

[MajinMan]

I swear, over the past few months I've seen nothing but complaining in every DBS thread made. It doesn't matter what the topic is.

I say we just sit back and wait for the episode to come out before jumping to conclusions and starting petty arguments about Vegeta.

[HeroR]

Vegeta had a reason to fight black
-killed future bulma
-tortured his son
-called him a warm up.

It's amazing how Goku can get everything from the start of the franchise yet when Vegeta or anyone else gets the samallest of things his fanboys are jumping up and down about it.

Except most of the people posting for the last few pages aren't really Goku fans.

[Noah]

I can't wait to see Vegeta using the offensive UI to take down Jiren, his attacks never miss but he can't defend Jiren blows, so he will need Goku to perform the complete UI

[BlueVegerot]

Gokutards are the worst part of the fandom

[Spider-Man]

Really not liking the direction of this arc like seriously what the point of keeping dyspo so long if he is gonna get eliminated by u7 once again.I really hope Frieza struggle with Dyspo if not is gonna be boring and it will discredit Hit kinda liked Goku in 104.