"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[alakazam^]

I did as well but clearly he's special and one must write and say his name correctly. It's probably because he's the big villain giving Goku trouble but once he's kicked around by UI everyone will be writing his name backwords.

If "range" is the origin of his name then "Jiren" is wrong as well so just write whatever you feel like.

[sintzu]

If "range" is the origin of his name then "Jiren" is wrong as well so just write whatever you feel like.

Some of the names have 2 spellings so I personally don't think it's a big deal.

At least I know how to spell Frieza right.

[Hawk9211]

If "range" is the origin of his name then "Jiren" is wrong as well so just write whatever you feel like.

Some of the names have 2 spellings so I personally don't think it's a big deal.

At least I know how to spell Frieza right.

You haven’t learnt your lesson,sentzu

[Professor Freeza]

I just thought it was another form of spelling his name that some used, like Cauliflo or Kafla .

I did as well but clearly he's special and one must write and say his name correctly. It's probably because he's the big villain giving Goku trouble but once he's kicked around by UI everyone will be writing his name backwords.

...I have been pronouncing it shihtzu all these years...

I'll never write someone's name wrong again.

Write "Jiren" 20 times

[Whatever]

If "range" is the origin of his name then "Jiren" is wrong as well so just write whatever you feel like.

Some of the names have 2 spellings so I personally don't think it's a big deal.

At least I know how to spell Frieza right.

I see you are one of those people.

[sintzu]

Write "Jiren" 20 times

I will if he beats Goku, something we know that'll never...(thinks about Goku's win count)...hopefully not happen.

You haven’t learnt your lesson,sentzu

You can change everyone's name and no one thinks twice about it, you slightly misspell someone kicking Goku's ass and everyone loses their minds.

I see you are one of those people.

Keep your time ring on I'm just joking.

[Kenneth La Torre]

To be fair, whis didnt only say that jiren surpasses his god of destruction. He made it clear in episode 110 that jiren may have surpassed the state of god of destruction

"Like a God of destruction. He is one who has reached that state, perhaps even surpassed it". So yeah, This is like the ss vegito vs ssj4, the only difference is that once jiren goes full power, well know if he surpasses the state of god of destruction

[Artorias]

Don't know what you guys problem is with vegeta like wow you guys are worse than gamefaqs and if anything goku intelligence and extremely questionable in super.

What are you talking about? Nothing in anyone's recent posts suggests we have a "problem with Vegeta". Just because we don't think he'll win, or that it would be stupid for him to win, doesn't mean we don't like the character.

And so what if we DIDN'T like Vegeta? Not everyone is going to love the same characters you do. You need to chill out with you intense fanboyism of Vegeta. I've seen you all over this forum just being annoyingly delusional about the character, to the point where you're now giving other people crap for expressing their views and PREDICTIONS on what the story holds for us. Stop viewing it like a sports team. These are fictional characters. There's no need to be so defensive and tribalistic. Grow up.

Ok first off you guys hate boner for vegeta is laughable making threads like is vegeta a smart fighter or oh vegeta has went backwards in development(which I see literally every week on this board),and really chill you didn't need to even respond to my post I was just saying my opinion god I swear you goku fans.

I am willing to concede that there is some unnecessary Vegeta hate HERE AND THERE, but again it goes back to my point of: who cares? You don't need to defend a fictional character that hard. There should be a balance. Those people shouldn't just blindly hate on a character, but you also shouldn't be so aggressively tribalistic in your worship of him. Everyone should just chill out.

And that's also ignoring the fact that me, HeroR, and JazzMazz were not "hating" on Vegeta. We were merely commenting on the narrative legitimacy of the idea of him beating Jiren, and predicting what would happen with him in this tournament. Not once did we offer an opinion on him as a character. So again please calm down.

So it really seems to me like we're setting up for a 3 v 1 fight against Jiren with Freeza, Goku, and Gohan. I can't imagine Dyspo giving Freeza any real trouble, and I'm assuming we'll get a Toppo v Gohan, which could go either way, although I just get the vibe that Gohan's around to stay to the end with the way they've been building him up. And Goku is a given. Vegeta somehow not losing to Jiren will be contrived nonsense, even with UI, so I'm pretty sure he's gone after 123 at the latest.

I'm not even that much of a Vegeta fan, but it is kinda annoying that they're YET AGAIN likely going to use him as the hype man for the villain, because Jiren ALREADY fought and beat Goku. GOKU was actually the jobber this time. We don't need another instance of Jiren showing off by beating one of our strong guys. Would've much preferred Vegeta to stick around and work with Goku, Gohan, or even Freeza. Obviously that could still happen, but that seems very unlikely at this point. Sorry Vegeta fans, but I think ya boi is done.

Vegeta isn't fighting Jiren to hype him up, Vegeta is fighting Jiren because that is only person who can take him out of the ring and if you want a nice 3v3. Someone has to go and he is the only one who would charge a much much stronger enemy.

That is a good point, but it also comes as a detriment to his character. I just get tired of the same old thing of "Vegeta charges in all arrogant, get's shreked, and Goku steps up in his place." Wish they'd have him go in with some sort of strategy or gimmick. It still wouldn't work, obviously, but at least give him SOMETHING other than continuing to make stupid battle decision despite supposedly being a "genius" in battle.

[Jigurashi]

An SSB Vegeta would get glared away by Jiren.

And that's the problem, isn't it. Though this is more a problem that's been caused by the anime, due to the Kaioken. If Jiren is much more powerful than Blue Kaioken x20 Goku, then he's over 20 times stronger than Vegeta too. As it is, Vegeta logically has absolutely no chance, so it's difficult to get excited and expect anything. I wish I could be more optimistic, hoping for UI Vegeta or something, but I just don't see it happening here.
At least in the manga he can have the same role as he did in the Kid Buu fight, where he was getting wrecked as an SS2 while buying time for SS3 Goku, showing extreme resilience and just not giving up despite being outmatched. The power scaling isn't too crazy for something like that to happen in that version. I'd like that.

Would the manga do that though? Toei was the one that gave Vegeta "extreme resilience" in that fight. In the original manga, Vegeta was beaten by Pure Boo with no "extreme resilience" within a couple pages then Good Boo stepped in.

[Alruneia]

An SSB Vegeta would get glared away by Jiren.

And that's the problem, isn't it. Though this is more a problem that's been caused by the anime, due to the Kaioken. If Jiren is much more powerful than Blue Kaioken x20 Goku, then he's over 20 times stronger than Vegeta too. As it is, Vegeta logically has absolutely no chance, so it's difficult to get excited and expect anything. I wish I could be more optimistic, hoping for UI Vegeta or something, but I just don't see it happening here.
At least in the manga he can have the same role as he did in the Kid Buu fight, where he was getting wrecked as an SS2 while buying time for SS3 Goku, showing extreme resilience and just not giving up despite being outmatched. The power scaling isn't too crazy for something like that to happen in that version. I'd like that.

Would the manga do that though? Toei was the one that gave Vegeta "extreme resilience" in that fight. In the original manga, Vegeta was beaten by Pure Boo with no "extreme resilience" within a couple pages then Good Boo stepped in.

Considering that it's Toyotaro who's writing the manga? It could do that, sure. We don't know what he'll decide to do when the time comes. No need to get so tripped up over the phrase "extreme resilience" though.

[Totamo]

What are you talking about? Nothing in anyone's recent posts suggests we have a "problem with Vegeta". Just because we don't think he'll win, or that it would be stupid for him to win, doesn't mean we don't like the character.

And so what if we DIDN'T like Vegeta? Not everyone is going to love the same characters you do. You need to chill out with you intense fanboyism of Vegeta. I've seen you all over this forum just being annoyingly delusional about the character, to the point where you're now giving other people crap for expressing their views and PREDICTIONS on what the story holds for us. Stop viewing it like a sports team. These are fictional characters. There's no need to be so defensive and tribalistic. Grow up.

Ok first off you guys hate boner for vegeta is laughable making threads like is vegeta a smart fighter or oh vegeta has went backwards in development(which I see literally every week on this board),and really chill you didn't need to even respond to my post I was just saying my opinion god I swear you goku fans.

I am willing to concede that there is some unnecessary Vegeta hate HERE AND THERE, but again it goes back to my point of: who cares? You don't need to defend a fictional character that hard. There should be a balance. Those people shouldn't just blindly hate on a character, but you also shouldn't be so aggressively tribalistic in your worship of him. Everyone should just chill out.

And that's also ignoring the fact that me, HeroR, and JazzMazz were not "hating" on Vegeta. We were merely commenting on the narrative legitimacy of the idea of him beating Jiren, and predicting what would happen with him in this tournament. Not once did we offer an opinion on him as a character. So again please calm down.

So it really seems to me like we're setting up for a 3 v 1 fight against Jiren with Freeza, Goku, and Gohan. I can't imagine Dyspo giving Freeza any real trouble, and I'm assuming we'll get a Toppo v Gohan, which could go either way, although I just get the vibe that Gohan's around to stay to the end with the way they've been building him up. And Goku is a given. Vegeta somehow not losing to Jiren will be contrived nonsense, even with UI, so I'm pretty sure he's gone after 123 at the latest.

I'm not even that much of a Vegeta fan, but it is kinda annoying that they're YET AGAIN likely going to use him as the hype man for the villain, because Jiren ALREADY fought and beat Goku. GOKU was actually the jobber this time. We don't need another instance of Jiren showing off by beating one of our strong guys. Would've much preferred Vegeta to stick around and work with Goku, Gohan, or even Freeza. Obviously that could still happen, but that seems very unlikely at this point. Sorry Vegeta fans, but I think ya boi is done.

Vegeta isn't fighting Jiren to hype him up, Vegeta is fighting Jiren because that is only person who can take him out of the ring and if you want a nice 3v3. Someone has to go and he is the only one who would charge a much much stronger enemy.

That is a good point, but it also comes as a detriment to his character. I just get tired of the same old thing of "Vegeta charges in all arrogant, get's shreked, and Goku steps up in his place." Wish they'd have him go in with some sort of strategy or gimmick. It still wouldn't work, obviously, but at least give him SOMETHING other than continuing to make stupid battle decision despite supposedly being a "genius" in battle.

But, thats why it would make sense! Because its not out of character for him to do that.


Is it overused, Yes. Does it make sense? Yes.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

This is way too true
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[CriticalThinker]

Most likely the fight between Jiren and Vegeta is going to be like the Goku and Jiren fight in 109. Not that I doubt Vegeta but I can't really see him doing much against Jiren. Even if he unlocks UI during the fight I still doubt it would do much against Jiren. Looking at Vegeta's track record when it comes to facing the big bad of each arc I can't see them changing it up now. Who knows maybe they'll throw us a curveball but I can safely assume that they won't and they will go with the predictable route instead.

[Supersaiyanbulla]

Most likely the fight between Jiren and Vegeta is going to be like the Goku and Jiren fight in 109. Not that I doubt Vegeta but I can't really see him doing much against Jiren. Even if he unlocks UI during the fight I still doubt it would do much against Jiren. Looking at Vegeta's track record when it comes to facing the big bad of each arc I can't see them changing it up now. Who knows maybe they'll throw us a curveball but I can safely assume that they won't and they will go with the predictable route instead.

Put do know this isn’t z right and if we bring up track record let’s look every character including goku

[CriticalThinker]

Most likely the fight between Jiren and Vegeta is going to be like the Goku and Jiren fight in 109. Not that I doubt Vegeta but I can't really see him doing much against Jiren. Even if he unlocks UI during the fight I still doubt it would do much against Jiren. Looking at Vegeta's track record when it comes to facing the big bad of each arc I can't see them changing it up now. Who knows maybe they'll throw us a curveball but I can safely assume that they won't and they will go with the predictable route instead.

Put do know this isn’t z right and if we bring up track record let’s look every character including goku

I know that this is not Z but is indeed Super and I also know that Goku doesn't have the best track record either. And yet despite all that it's pretty easy to tell that the one who's going to knock out Jiren is Goku. Well more likely that Jiren knocks him out but my point still stands and as much as I hate to say it, Vegeta won't be beating Jiren. At most he may be able to survive Jiren onslaught if Jiren doesn't feel like knocking him out like he did with Kale.

[Jigurashi]

And that's the problem, isn't it. Though this is more a problem that's been caused by the anime, due to the Kaioken. If Jiren is much more powerful than Blue Kaioken x20 Goku, then he's over 20 times stronger than Vegeta too. As it is, Vegeta logically has absolutely no chance, so it's difficult to get excited and expect anything. I wish I could be more optimistic, hoping for UI Vegeta or something, but I just don't see it happening here.
At least in the manga he can have the same role as he did in the Kid Buu fight, where he was getting wrecked as an SS2 while buying time for SS3 Goku, showing extreme resilience and just not giving up despite being outmatched. The power scaling isn't too crazy for something like that to happen in that version. I'd like that.

Would the manga do that though? Toei was the one that gave Vegeta "extreme resilience" in that fight. In the original manga, Vegeta was beaten by Pure Boo with no "extreme resilience" within a couple pages then Good Boo stepped in.

Considering that it's Toyotaro who's writing the manga? It could do that, sure. We don't know what he'll decide to do when the time comes. No need to get so tripped up over the phrase "extreme resilience" though.

Nobody's tripped up lol. You mentioned it, so I brought it up since it's relevant to your statement. His last stand was noble and a good moment, but I'm asking if that will happen since the manga has never really portrayed him as this massively durable dude. It was Toei who made Vegeta durable as fuck in that scene. It's why it's so odd for Toei to make his durability worse in Super than it was in that fight.

[sintzu]

This is way too true
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"The lack of faith in Vegeta from this fandom is truly saddening".

You can thank Toei for that. Toyotarou so far has surpassed my highest expectations so I fully believe he'll be getting amazing moments throughout the tournament in the manga but the anime...If Vegeta doesn't live up to what we're expecting from the next 3 episodes then I'll just give up on them giving him anything major to do and instead just keep my attention on the manga as it seems like Toyotarou has a better understanding on how to write him.

[Professor Freeza]

This is way too true
https://mobile.twitter.com/delenafraser ... 6334946304

"The lack of faith in Vegeta from this fandom is truly saddening".

You can thank Toei for that. Toyotarou so far has surpassed my highest expectations so I fully believe he'll be getting amazing moments throughout the tournament in the manga but the anime...If Vegeta doesn't live up to what we're expecting from the next 3 episodes then I'll just give up on them giving him anything major to do and instead just keep my attention on the manga as it seems like Toyotarou has a better understanding on how to write him.

Agree. Bura is born and this is probably Vegeta's last stand. I mean as a out of universe way. His fight with Jiren is the last chance for Toriyama and Toei. You Job him out this time and he is done. No other big win can fix him.

And i think we already know whats gonna happen come January

[sintzu]

His fight with Jiren is the last chance for Toriyama and Toei. You Job him out this time and he is done. No other big win can fix him.

Not just in the tournament but for the rest of the anime. I don't expect him to win but if he doesn't put up a good fight, a really good fight then his fans are going to give up on him when it comes to the anime because this'll be the 3rd arc in a row that makes him look like a complete idiot.

[Artorias]

Ok first off you guys hate boner for vegeta is laughable making threads like is vegeta a smart fighter or oh vegeta has went backwards in development(which I see literally every week on this board),and really chill you didn't need to even respond to my post I was just saying my opinion god I swear you goku fans.

I am willing to concede that there is some unnecessary Vegeta hate HERE AND THERE, but again it goes back to my point of: who cares? You don't need to defend a fictional character that hard. There should be a balance. Those people shouldn't just blindly hate on a character, but you also shouldn't be so aggressively tribalistic in your worship of him. Everyone should just chill out.

And that's also ignoring the fact that me, HeroR, and JazzMazz were not "hating" on Vegeta. We were merely commenting on the narrative legitimacy of the idea of him beating Jiren, and predicting what would happen with him in this tournament. Not once did we offer an opinion on him as a character. So again please calm down.

Vegeta isn't fighting Jiren to hype him up, Vegeta is fighting Jiren because that is only person who can take him out of the ring and if you want a nice 3v3. Someone has to go and he is the only one who would charge a much much stronger enemy.

That is a good point, but it also comes as a detriment to his character. I just get tired of the same old thing of "Vegeta charges in all arrogant, get's shreked, and Goku steps up in his place." Wish they'd have him go in with some sort of strategy or gimmick. It still wouldn't work, obviously, but at least give him SOMETHING other than continuing to make stupid battle decision despite supposedly being a "genius" in battle.

But, thats why it would make sense! Because its not out of character for him to do that.


Is it overused, Yes. Does it make sense? Yes.

I think it is out of character from the way he was originally portrayed. In his first few sagas, he was presented as a cunning, little sneaky strategist, so much so that Piccolo stopped to suck him off and say he was a "genius". It's just always annoyed me that the writers just kinda dropped that after Namek, especially because that's when I actually liked the character. But I guess it's been two decades, so maybe I should just come to terms with the fact that this is the correct Vegeta now.