"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

Jiren can blitz Goku who is far faster than the other characters, there's no way they can connect with any technique unless he allows it.

We're talking about Jiren here. The dude literally said he'd take the Genkidama head-on.

Then again, being Jiren, he'd probably find some way to bullshit his way out of the jar once he gets Mafuba'd.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Jiren can blitz Goku who is far faster than the other characters, there's no way they can connect with any technique unless he allows it.

We're talking about Jiren here. The dude literally said he'd take the Genkidama head-on.

Then again, being Jiren, he'd probably find some way to bullshit his way out of the jar once he gets Mafuba'd.

That was to break the other universes' morale. Who's going to be intimidated by him beating Roshi?

[Doctor.]

That was to break the other universes' morale. Who's going to be intimidated by him beating Roshi?

I was thinking Goku would do the Mafuba himself.

[CriticalThinker]

Man 17 looks really good in that shot and going off of his expression I can make a guess that 18 got knocked out. Also Looking at the screenshot again it made me realize that despite 18 being in for so long she didn't show off a single new technique. I mean sure that's just a variation of his shield but it is something new at the least while 18 hasn't shown off anything. Which also makes realize that I wish 17 was his own character in FighterZ but oh well maybe in the sequel.

[TheOne]

Nothing about the conventional mindset of the fighters would enable them to stand up to Jiren, yeah. The writing staff at Toei and Toriyama would have be to willing to think quite outside the box for a possible team-up amongst the subsidiary members to have a chance at winning. It could definitely be done, though. Heck! It would have been theoretically possible for any of the earthlings to defeat him through any number of strategies. That's not what the creative powers that be want or are familiar with, however. It's not as visually sensational as Jiren and Goku beating each other senseless in a climactic final showdown with sparks flying, wind currents intensifying all around them, and everyone fawning over their insurmountable power.

Here we go again. I thought people would’ve stopped bringing up this nonesense long ago, but I guess not.

When your opponents are overwhelmingly strong, strategy doesn’t work. Unless you're ignorant enough to think Z fighters could’ve “strategically” taken out Beerus at the beginning of Super.

[Hawk9211]

Man 17 looks really good in that shot and going off of his expression I can make a guess that 18 got knocked out. Also Looking at the screenshot again it made me realize that despite 18 being in for so long she didn't show off a single new technique. I mean sure that's just a variation of his shield but it is something new at the least while 18 hasn't shown off anything. Which also makes realize that I wish 17 was his own character in FighterZ but oh well maybe in the sequel.

He is the only U7 contestant to show something new aside from goku who is pirating techniques as usual(old techniques )

[HeroR]

Jiren can blitz Goku who is far faster than the other characters, there's no way they can connect with any technique unless he allows it.

Almost no one in this show speed blitz, otherwise Hit would have been defeated within seconds and Hit wouldn't have time to put Jiren in a Time Cage. Frost could also speed blitz Roshi, yet he got trapped in the Evil Containment Wave. Heck, Freeza got hit by a Solar Flare despite being massively faster than Krillin.

Here we go again. I thought people would’ve stopped bringing up this nonesense long ago, but I guess not.

When your opponents are overwhelmingly strong, strategy doesn’t work. Unless you're ignorant enough to think Z fighters could’ve “strategically” taken out Beerus at the beginning of Super.

This is mostly because Super has shown that strategic can take down someone massively stronger than you like with Piccolo vs Frost, at least it's more successful than it ever was in Z. But Super also made it a point to say, via Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku vs. Krillin, that after a certain point in power, you're screwed outside of some really broken techniques. So far, only the Evil Containment Wave seems to have no real upper limit since Roshi's Evil Containment Wave could entrapped Super Saiyan Vegeta.

[Ki Breaker]

Jiren can blitz Goku who is far faster than the other characters, there's no way they can connect with any technique unless he allows it.

We're talking about Jiren here. The dude literally said he'd take the Genkidama head-on.

Then again, being Jiren, he'd probably find some way to bullshit his way out of the jar once he gets Mafuba'd.

That was to break the other universes' morale. Who's going to be intimidated by him beating Roshi?

Tien..
Definitely Tien..

[TheUltimateNinja]

That was to break the other universes' morale. Who's going to be intimidated by him beating Roshi?

I was thinking Goku would do the Mafuba himself.

He could probably just throw Jiren off the stage that way, but there's no way Goku would use such a tactic.

Almost no one in this show speed blitz, otherwise Hit would have been defeated within seconds and Hit wouldn't have time to put Jiren in a Time Cage. Frost could also speed blitz Roshi, yet he got trapped in the Evil Containment Wave. Heck, Freeza got hit by a Solar Flare despite being massively faster than Krillin.

That's just bad writing, but UI Goku and Jiren do speedblitz people even in Super.

Tien..
Definitely Tien..

Man, they made him an absolute clown in this arc.

[CriticalThinker]

Man 17 looks really good in that shot and going off of his expression I can make a guess that 18 got knocked out. Also Looking at the screenshot again it made me realize that despite 18 being in for so long she didn't show off a single new technique. I mean sure that's just a variation of his shield but it is something new at the least while 18 hasn't shown off anything. Which also makes realize that I wish 17 was his own character in FighterZ but oh well maybe in the sequel.

He is the only U7 contestant to show something new aside from goku who is pirating techniques as usual(old techniques )

I mean Krillin did have that new and improved solar flare but it didn't do squat since the guy he was fighting was blind. But other than that I think your right in that no one besides Goku and 17 really showed off any new techniques. Which I mean is fine for the most part because it was more so 18 I was hoping would do something new since in terms of techniques she's rather lacking.

[Lord Frieza]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I hope Hatchyack Aniraza putz a good fight against the U7 warriors. Also we only will see the sky turns red in the last 5 minutes of the Tournament?

I hope he puts up a good fight to. Hell I hope he rings out a few of them. I also wonder what kind of state the rings going to be in after this. The warriors have collectively done a number on it but a beast like that could demolish the whole thing with only a few punchs!

[Doctor.]

Man, they made him an absolute clown in this arc.

He's been an absolute clown ever since he jobbed to Drum and still thought of himself relevant.

[HeroR]

That was to break the other universes' morale. Who's going to be intimidated by him beating Roshi?

I was thinking Goku would do the Mafuba himself.

He could probably just throw Jiren off the stage that way, but there's no way Goku would use such a tactic.

Almost no one in this show speed blitz, otherwise Hit would have been defeated within seconds and Hit wouldn't have time to put Jiren in a Time Cage. Frost could also speed blitz Roshi, yet he got trapped in the Evil Containment Wave. Heck, Freeza got hit by a Solar Flare despite being massively faster than Krillin.

That's just bad writing, but UI Goku and Jiren do speedblitz people even in Super.

Tien..
Definitely Tien..

Man, they made him an absolute clown in this arc.

When have UI Goku or Jiren speed speed blitz?

[Hawk9211]

Man 17 looks really good in that shot and going off of his expression I can make a guess that 18 got knocked out. Also Looking at the screenshot again it made me realize that despite 18 being in for so long she didn't show off a single new technique. I mean sure that's just a variation of his shield but it is something new at the least while 18 hasn't shown off anything. Which also makes realize that I wish 17 was his own character in FighterZ but oh well maybe in the sequel.

He is the only U7 contestant to show something new aside from goku who is pirating techniques as usual(old techniques )

I mean Krillin did have that new and improved solar flare but it didn't do squat since the guy he was fighting was blind. But other than that I think your right in that no one besides Goku and 17 really showed off any new techniques. Which I mean is fine for the most part because it was more so 18 I was hoping would do something new since in terms of techniques she's rather lacking.

This is one of biggest complains I have with top.I want to see new stuff,actual new stuff like kienzan and makansoppo not like final flash which is a bigger beam than galick gun.I am one of the few people that are annoyed by og dragon ball techniques even though that's my favourite series.That's why I don't consider improved solar flare a new technique,it's more in realm of feet kamehameha or warp kamehameha.

[TheOne]

Jiren can blitz Goku who is far faster than the other characters, there's no way they can connect with any technique unless he allows it.

Almost no one in this show speed blitz, otherwise Hit would have been defeated within seconds and Hit wouldn't have time to put Jiren in a Time Cage. Frost could also speed blitz Roshi, yet he got trapped in the Evil Containment Wave. Heck, Freeza got hit by a Solar Flare despite being massively faster than Krillin.

Here we go again. I thought people would’ve stopped bringing up this nonesense long ago, but I guess not.

When your opponents are overwhelmingly strong, strategy doesn’t work. Unless you're ignorant enough to think Z fighters could’ve “strategically” taken out Beerus at the beginning of Super.

This is mostly because Super has shown that strategic can take down someone massively stronger than you like with Piccolo vs Frost, at least it's more successful than it ever was in Z. But Super also made it a point to say, via Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku vs. Krillin, that after a certain point in power, you're screwed outside of some really broken techniques. So far, only the Evil Containment Wave seems to have no real upper limit since Roshi's Evil Containment Wave could entrapped Super Saiyan Vegeta.

I don’t think Piccolo vs Frost is a good example. If I recall correctly, Frost said he was tired after fighting Goku. Did that happen?

[HeroR]

I don’t think Piccolo vs Frost is a good example. If I recall correctly, Frost said he was tired after fighting Goku. Did that happen?

Goku outright told Piccolo that he stood absolute no chance against Frost. When Piccolo asked if he should forfeit, Goku said no since he could at least drain Frost further for Vegeta. So Frost was weakened, but the show also made it very clear that Piccolo had little chance, which was why everyone was shocked that he was about to win. Granted, a full power Frost would have smashed Piccolo, but the show didn't mixed words about him fighting a weakened Frost.

[TheOne]

I don’t think Piccolo vs Frost is a good example. If I recall correctly, Frost said he was tired after fighting Goku. Did that happen?

Goku outright told Piccolo that he stood absolute no chance against Frost. When Piccolo asked if he should forfeit, Goku said no since he could at least drain Frost further for Vegeta. So Frost was weakened, but the show also made it very clear that Piccolo had little chance, which was why everyone was shocked that he was about to win. Granted, a full power Frost would have smashed Piccolo, but the show didn't mixed words about him fighting a weakened Frost.

I recalled that much. I just wasn’t sure if Frost had already been weakened.

[TheUltimateNinja]

When have UI Goku or Jiren speed speed blitz?

UI Goku's first kick was so fast he was behind Toppo and Dyspo before they even realized what was happening. Jiren easily blitzed Goku right in front of his eyes before the tournament began and in the tournament his attacks against Kaioken x20 Goku were so fast that nobody could see them.

[Lord Frieza]

When have UI Goku or Jiren speed speed blitz?

UI Goku's first kick was so fast he was behind Toppo and Dyspo before they even realized what was happening. Jiren easily blitzed Goku right in front of his eyes before the tournament began and in the tournament his attacks against Kaioken x20 Goku were so fast that nobody could see them.

As evidence...

[HeroR]

I recalled that much. I just wasn’t sure if Frost had already been weakened.

He was and Frost confirmed it. Although Frost is a lair so you can't take his word as fact, but Goku himself noted that Frost wasn't in the best shape.

UI Goku's first kick was so fast he was behind Toppo and Dyspo before they even realized what was happening. Jiren easily blitzed Goku right in front of his eyes before the tournament began and in the tournament his attacks against Kaioken x20 Goku were so fast that nobody could see them.

When I think speed bliz, I would think of Jiren just one-shotting Goku out of the ring so quickly that Goku had no chance to counter, like what Goku did with Reccome. Not just hitting him hitting really fast and knocking Goku down and then waiting for him to get up.