"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Frieza]

I recalled that much. I just wasn’t sure if Frost had already been weakened.

He was and Frost confirmed it. Although Frost is a lair so you can't take his word as fact, but Goku himself noted that Frost wasn't in the best shape.

Makes me wonder who the better liar is, Frost or Satan?

Edit:

UI Goku's first kick was so fast he was behind Toppo and Dyspo before they even realized what was happening. Jiren easily blitzed Goku right in front of his eyes before the tournament began and in the tournament his attacks against Kaioken x20 Goku were so fast that nobody could see them.

When I think speed bliz, I would think of Jiren just one-shotting Goku out of the ring so quickly that Goku had no chance to counter, like what Goku did with Reccome. Not just hitting him hitting really fast and knocking Goku down and then waiting for him to get up.

Speed Blitzing is defined as the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them. So both count. Edit: The one shooting and multi-hit beat down I mean.

[HeroR]

Makes me wonder who the better liar is, Frost or Satan?

Frost is amusingly an evil Mr. Satan.

[TheUltimateNinja]

When I think speed bliz, I would think of Jiren just one-shotting Goku out of the ring so quickly that Goku had no chance to counter, like what Goku did with Reccome. Not just hitting him hitting really fast and knocking Goku down and then waiting for him to get up.

He could do that if he wanted but he doesn't do it for some reason, doesn't want to be responsible for the universe's erasure I guess. He already demonstrated that he could easily overwhelm Goku even while suppressed.

[HeroR]

When I think speed bliz, I would think of Jiren just one-shotting Goku out of the ring so quickly that Goku had no chance to counter, like what Goku did with Reccome. Not just hitting him hitting really fast and knocking Goku down and then waiting for him to get up.

He could do that if he wanted but he doesn't do it for some reason, doesn't want to be responsible for the universe's erasure I guess. He already demonstrated that he could easily overwhelm Goku even while suppressed.

Could, but didn't. Which is why I said almost no one speed blitzs. They may blitz for one attack, but that's it.

[Big Chief]

Judging from 17's expression, 18 is probably gone. Now the real question is if 17 will also be eliminated or not.

I hope not. i mean i just feel like it would be a waste to eliminate 17 now. he's been brought back after all this time, built up, hyped up and for him to go in the same episode as his sister ? he didn't even have an episode named after him yet and only eliminated 4 fodder characters. Toshio said he was about to write about him after he already said he wrote a u3 episode. so i don't really know i can't say i'm 100% confident.

When you put it that way, of course it doesn't sound like much. But when you put it my way:

He eliminated Vikal who was BestGirlUniverse2.
He eliminated 2/3 of the Kamikaze Fireballs, who were probably the most notable group of fighters outside of U6, U7, and U11.
He eliminated Damon, which was the elimination that erased Universe 4.

Although honestly, I'd rather he fight Dyspo than Frieza.

[Lionel]

Nothing about the conventional mindset of the fighters would enable them to stand up to Jiren, yeah. The writing staff at Toei and Toriyama would have be to willing to think quite outside the box for a possible team-up amongst the subsidiary members to have a chance at winning. It could definitely be done, though. Heck! It would have been theoretically possible for any of the earthlings to defeat him through any number of strategies. That's not what the creative powers that be want or are familiar with, however. It's not as visually sensational as Jiren and Goku beating each other senseless in a climactic final showdown with sparks flying, wind currents intensifying all around them, and everyone fawning over their insurmountable power.

Here we go again. I thought people would’ve stopped bringing up this nonesense long ago, but I guess not.

When your opponents are overwhelmingly strong, strategy doesn’t work. Unless you're ignorant enough to think Z fighters could’ve “strategically” taken out Beerus at the beginning of Super.

What is it that they tried that differed at all from the humdrum fist flurries we all know and expect? I don't recall them proposing any kind of alternative strategy for incapacitating Beerus. Being who they are, the first inclination they have is to leap onto the enemy with their fingers curled, their legs shot out, and with a cookie-cutter snarl displayed that everyone seems to know when to bear on-cue. The most original attempts at defeating the Hakaishin didn't even come from the Z-fighters. It was the insectoid natives of the planet seen at the very beginning of the Super manga who tried bringing him in down in an original style. Turns out Beerus is immune to whatever poisons they used, but biological agents come in many different varieties and with different effects. Some can induce hallucinatory images while others are meant to disarrange the nervous system where you don't even have motor functions anymore while causing paralysis like tabun. Dehydration with things like arsenic can also lead to fatal demise. If that doesn't work then you take advantage of his biology in some other manner like his hearing and perception. With the latter, an intense concentration of infrared light would cause the water molecules in his body to vibrate, heating his core body temperature high enough to likely induce death. With hearing, decibels close to 200 or higher would in fact have the capacity to kill in a matter of seconds worth of exposure due to vibrational trauma to the lungs and internal organs.

Surely a "genius" like Piccolo could have thought of something like the above and set about creating the effect with his magic. I can't see why the others wouldn't come up with their own means for trying to win. Doesn't Vegeta have a flame based technique he used on Goku once? Try to aim for the eyes. Dehydrate and burn out the pupils. Maybe the intense heat will travel through the optic nerve to the brain and hinder blood flow and/or the neuronal transference process.

[Lapislettuce]

Judging from 17's expression, 18 is probably gone. Now the real question is if 17 will also be eliminated or not.

I hope not. i mean i just feel like it would be a waste to eliminate 17 now. he's been brought back after all this time, built up, hyped up and for him to go in the same episode as his sister ? he didn't even have an episode named after him yet and only eliminated 4 fodder characters. Toshio said he was about to write about him after he already said he wrote a u3 episode. so i don't really know i can't say i'm 100% confident.

When you put it that way, of course it doesn't sound like much. But when you put it my way:

He eliminated Vikal who was BestGirlUniverse2.
He eliminated 2/3 of the Kamikaze Fireballs, who were probably the most notable group of fighters outside of U6, U7, and U11.
He eliminated Damon, which was the elimination that erased Universe 4.

Although honestly, I'd rather he fight Dyspo than Frieza.

I didn't mean to bash Vikale of course she was my favorite design from this arc but everyone 17 faced seemed like fodder and below base Goku level. but i agree i wish he fought Dyspo.

[Ki Breaker]

If someone told me this is freeza going into another transformation, I would totally believe them..

[BlueBasilisk]

Hopefully Aniraza manages to take out 18 and 17 before he goes down. I'd rather he take down Frieza but there's absolutely no chance of that happening. Eh, what can you do?

[Hawk9211]

It just occurred to me,a potential shit storm is coming.We are reaching to the end and if it is underwhelming especially freeza then all hell will break lose.

[Lapislettuce]

Hopefully Aniraza manages to take out 18 and 17 before he goes down. I'd rather he take down Frieza but there's absolutely no chance of that happening. Eh, what can you do?

Why would 17 go out of all the people remaining ? just because he's her twin brother doesn't mean they should go together ! there's a huge power difference between them.

[MR.Mark]

If someone told me this is freeza going into another transformation, I would totally believe them..

Looks like something out of Plan to eradicate the Saiyans.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Hopefully Aniraza manages to take out 18 and 17 before he goes down. I'd rather he take down Frieza but there's absolutely no chance of that happening. Eh, what can you do?

Why would 17 go out of all the people remaining ? just because he's her twin brother doesn't mean they should go together ! there's a huge power difference between them.

Well, he goes with fasion, or he gets stomped on by toppo or jiren. Id rather he gets eliminated by taking out aniraza.

[Lapislettuce]

Hopefully Aniraza manages to take out 18 and 17 before he goes down. I'd rather he take down Frieza but there's absolutely no chance of that happening. Eh, what can you do?

Why would 17 go out of all the people remaining ? just because he's her twin brother doesn't mean they should go together ! there's a huge power difference between them.

Well, he goes with fasion, or he gets stomped on by toppo or jiren. Id rather he gets eliminated by taking out aniraza.

Not entirely true. Frieza might not be able to encounter Dyspo's speed so he might need help. Toppo might interrupt Frieza vs Dyspo which would make it possible for 17 to have a fight with Dyspo or 17 and Gohan team up against Toppo. i don't get how people think it's okay for someone as powerful as 17 to go down with someone much weaker than and barely got as much hype as him. they just want their wet dream to become reality which is having all the saiyans at the end and they know 17 would be an obstacle to that.

[Ki Breaker]

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If someone told me this is freeza going into another transformation, I would totally believe them..

Looks like something out of Plan to eradicate the Saiyans.

Yeah, I can see where the earlier confusion of this guy being a fusion with Freeza was coming from..
Dude looks way too much like a Freeza and hatchiyack put together..

[Nickolaidas]

there's a huge power difference between them.

I'm curious ... which fighter did 18 fought and couldn't beat, while 17 beat easily to give you that impression? 17 has definitely proven to be more *resourceful* than 18 (thanks to the bug episode), but we don't have concrete data to prove he's way stronger than 18. Common opponents the twins fought include SSB Goku, Ribrianne and the mecha dude. Both 18 and 17 handled human-fat-sized Ribrianne as a joke, 17 fought SSB Goku on equal terms but 18 was also able to kick away a SSB Goku Kamehameha (so it's hard to see how much stronger 17 is from 18 via Goku). As for the mecha dude, they seemed to do equal damage.

I may be wrong though. If you remember scenes that clearly prove 17 is way stronger than 18, I'd like to remember them as well.

Not entirely true. Frieza might not be able to encounter Dyspo's speed so he might need help.

The fact that Dyspo was too scared to face off a 4th stage Frieza (let alone Golden) gives me the impression he won't prove to be much trouble for the Tyrant. Sure, Dyspo gave Hit a hard time at first, but so did the Yardrat against Gohan, and Frieza utterly crushed the teleporting fighter. We'll know in two weeks.

[BlueBasilisk]

Hopefully Aniraza manages to take out 18 and 17 before he goes down. I'd rather he take down Frieza but there's absolutely no chance of that happening. Eh, what can you do?

Why would 17 go out of all the people remaining ? just because he's her twin brother doesn't mean they should go together ! there's a huge power difference between them.

Because Frieza, Goku, and Vegeta are protected. There is no way they can be eliminated before 123. The remaining options are Gohan and 17 and I don't see Gohan going yet because he's Goku's special snowflake son. That leaves 17 by elimination. Besides that I'd much rather he go down in a cool fight trying to avenge his sister than getting shit on by Toppo or Jiren.

[TheDipDap1234]

If the Androids go down in this episode, I just hope they won't make them irrelevant again after this arc. Honestly, i've enjoyed both of them far better in this arc than ever before in the franchise.

[dbs fanboy]

Goku being eliminated would be interesting, it would be just like when U6 became "Hit -less". We could actually see more strategy based fights, given the fact, that the only one who could take out Jiren without doing any of that would be gone and a Vegeta/Freeza/Gohan team up would be nice (i'm assuming 17 is gone ).

Thing is, U6 still had several cards to play even without Hit, namely the fusion with Kale and Cali. So while he lost of Hit was a mighty blow, it wasn't necessarily a fatal one. The death blow for U6 came when they lost Kefla.

If U7 lost Goku, they're pretty much screwed since they have no emergency plan, other than hoping Goku wears Jiren down or he runs the clock enough for them to pull a hit and run to keep their numbers up.

Also, Jiren's power is such that I doubt no amount a teamwork would do anything. It would be Namek Saga Freeza vs. Piccolo, Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin.

Then much more interesting, i can feel the tension just by imagining it (fuck the hole EoZ thing, if the scenes are well handled tension can still be delivered).

[Supersaiyanbulla]

Hopefully Aniraza manages to take out 18 and 17 before he goes down. I'd rather he take down Frieza but there's absolutely no chance of that happening. Eh, what can you do?

Why would 17 go out of all the people remaining ? just because he's her twin brother doesn't mean they should go together ! there's a huge power difference between them.

Because Frieza, Goku, and Vegeta are protected. There is no way they can be eliminated before 123. The remaining options are Gohan and 17 and I don't see Gohan going yet because he's Goku's special snowflake son. That leaves 17 by elimination. Besides that I'd much rather he go down in a cool fight trying to avenge his sister than getting shit on by Toppo or Jiren.

That doesn’t mean anything just because he’s goku son doesn’t mean crap I can still see him going.