"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Nickolaidas]

If the Androids go down in this episode, I just hope they won't make them irrelevant again after this arc. Honestly, i've enjoyed both of them far better in this arc than ever before in the franchise.

This goes for quite a few characters, imo. Frieza, Roshi and 17 were never more hyped. 18 and Krillin got solid moments too (Krillin especially was godlike in his recruitment episode).

[CJStriker_CBR]

If the Androids go down in this episode, I just hope they won't make them irrelevant again after this arc. Honestly, i've enjoyed both of them far better in this arc than ever before in the franchise.

While I don't think at the Very Least both will go down in episode 121, at least I believe 17 will go much further after this, I don't see the Andriods becoming irrelevant either after this.

I felt that with their personal battles with U2 and the Girls that the ToP was more about developing each U7 member to have a personal connection with members of each universe. So I that in the next arc each personal connect will develop into their own stories both as character development and power increases.

It is the same many see with Goku's connections developed with Kale and Caulifla as well a Vegeta with Cabba.

17, 18 and I believe Krillain as well will have a personal connection to U2 and the Fireballs that will be developed more in the next arc, at least that is my hope, but they teased this rather well.

[HeroR]

Then much more interesting, i can feel the tension just by imagining it (fuck the hole EoZ thing, if the scenes are well handled tension can still be delivered).

Would you believe U7 was actually in danger even without EOZ?

[Ki Breaker]

However the TOP ends, I will always admire it for giving us so many Goku Gohan shots..

[Kenneth La Torre]

Why would 17 go out of all the people remaining ? just because he's her twin brother doesn't mean they should go together ! there's a huge power difference between them.

Well, he goes with fasion, or he gets stomped on by toppo or jiren. Id rather he gets eliminated by taking out aniraza.

Not entirely true. Frieza might not be able to encounter Dyspo's speed so he might need help. Toppo might interrupt Frieza vs Dyspo which would make it possible for 17 to have a fight with Dyspo or 17 and Gohan team up against Toppo. i don't get how people think it's okay for someone as powerful as 17 to go down with someone much weaker than and barely got as much hype as him. they just want their wet dream to become reality which is having all the saiyans at the end and they know 17 would be an obstacle to that.

If 17 goes down by aniraza, it wont be by someone weak, aniraza is very powerful. And if you think 17 has a chance against toppo, you are mistaken. Dyspo, probably, but anyone above him is too much for 17.

[HeroR]

However the TOP ends, I will always admire it for giving us so many Goku Gohan shots..
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I see this pic and think Dull Surprise.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Then much more interesting, i can feel the tension just by imagining it (fuck the hole EoZ thing, if the scenes are well handled tension can still be delivered).

Would you believe U7 was actually in danger even without EOZ?

Without the EOZ? Yes, due to jiren, whos god like powers can glare away ssb kaioken ×20 level opponents. And as far as thinks are, no one is even near ssb kaioken ×20 Goku.

[HeroR]

Without the EOZ? Yes, due to jiren, whos god like powers can glare away ssb kaioken ×20 level opponents. And as far as thinks are, no one is even near ssb kaioken ×20 Goku.

So you would believe that everyone in U7 would be erased?

[perucho1990]

So you would believe that everyone in U7 would be erased?

Yes, and then Jiren decides to revive every erased Universe, including Freeza.

With Freeza alive it would be a perfect chance to making him the main antagonist again in 2018.

[HeroR]

So you would believe that everyone in U7 would be erased?

Yes, and then Jiren decides to revive every erased Universe, including Freeza.

With Freeza alive it would be a perfect chance to making him the main antagonist again in 2018.

So U7 was never in real danger either way. And even if Freeza does come back with the erased U7, he would still be dead and he won't be near main antagonist.

Not to mention, Jiren already have a wished in mind and it sounds like a selfish one. Especially in the manga where his stance was the same as 17.

[precita]

Why does the new character look like one of the crappy designs from the movie villains? You can tell this is a Toei designed character, looks like something right out of GT or the movies.

[perucho1990]

So U7 was never in real danger either way. And even if Freeza does come back with the erased U7, he would still be dead and he won't be near main antagonist.

Not to mention, Jiren already have a wished in mind and it sounds like a selfish one. Especially in the manga where his stance was the same as 17.

He would be alive again due to Super Dragon Balls power, Toei wont bother explaining , you would assume that the SDBs are overpowered, thats all.

[HeroR]

He would be alive again due to Super Dragon Balls power, Toei wont bother explaining , you would assume that the SDBs are overpowered, thats all.

All that would do will bring him back into existence, not undue the fact that he's dead. And it would be Toriyama who decides if Freeza comes back not Toei.

[Lord Frieza]

So you would believe that everyone in U7 would be erased?

Yes, and then Jiren decides to revive every erased Universe, including Freeza.

With Freeza alive it would be a perfect chance to making him the main antagonist again in 2018.

Well if he's gonna be the main antagonist again just let him get his wish and become Omni-King Frieza.

[perucho1990]

Freeza can be threatening again if he learns about the Namekian Book of Legends, and there is a method that makes him a God or some stuff like that

Thing about Freeza winning the ToP is that Jiren will be erased, and I doubt Toriyama will let it happen.

[CJStriker_CBR]

I hope not. i mean i just feel like it would be a waste to eliminate 17 now. he's been brought back after all this time, built up, hyped up and for him to go in the same episode as his sister ? he didn't even have an episode named after him yet and only eliminated 4 fodder characters. Toshio said he was about to write about him after he already said he wrote a u3 episode. so i don't really know i can't say i'm 100% confident.

When you put it that way, of course it doesn't sound like much. But when you put it my way:

He eliminated Vikal who was BestGirlUniverse2.
He eliminated 2/3 of the Kamikaze Fireballs, who were probably the most notable group of fighters outside of U6, U7, and U11.
He eliminated Damon, which was the elimination that erased Universe 4.

Although honestly, I'd rather he fight Dyspo than Frieza.

I didn't mean to bash Vikale of course she was my favorite design from this arc but everyone 17 faced seemed like fodder and below base Goku level. but i agree i wish he fought Dyspo.

I don't think anything should be taken away from 17, he has proven to be much more powerful then I think most thought he would be even with that display with him fighting SSJB-Goku many nerfed that down, he has proven to be otherwise. So I don't beleive he has reached his climax yet and that will come from someone in U11 like. It seems the U3 battle with be something intense but I don't think it should be his last battle by a mile.

But his battles before where far more important and meaningful then just think of them as fodder. Honestly I don't get why Fodder keeps being used so much, Fodder is used mainly for Nameless Goons like Jame Bond Villian Soilders or Mario Goombas. Fodder is for Characters that have not character or even more even a personal name to them. It is less about power and more about persona.

U4 fans can speak for Damon, I have personal view positive on Damon, but I discussion of him to his more dedicated fans.

Vikal was already spoken for, but Kakunsa and Rozie are Far and Away not even on the same planet comparable to fodder.

Yea 17 has proven to be stronger then them indeed that is without contest, but they were far from pushovers and they where part of the main trio of champions of U2. Kakunsa brought grand speed and X-23/Black Panther like fighting style to the ToP, it complement 17's style of fighting really well and IMO help to cement how cool he would be in this fight. But that would not be possible if Kakunsa did not put up a grand showing of her own, even 17 complemented her fighting style by the end of 102.

Rozie was also the same, Giving Grand showing of lighting fast fighting moves with 17 and great showing of Ki Manipulation and Control.

Someone has to loose, that just is how it will always go, But I was Proud of both My Girls Kakunsa and Rozie for showing how skillful and powerful they where. But most importantly, the starts of their characters, the personias. I wish to see far more of their personas developed in the Future, mainly going along with Development Side-by-Side with 17, 18 and Krillian since it seem Toei has started a bond with them, at least I hope that is what will happen.

So in the end Yea, NOTHING can be taken away form 17 in his Power and Smarts in his fighting skills, but Kakunsa and Rozie where not wasted battles, they where grand showing who they where and certainly I would not see them as fodder.

Again all respects to Lapislettuce and you fav 17, I just want to show why 17's battles with Kakunsa and Rozie should be seen in a different light and why they where not fodder.

[Lapislettuce]

there's a huge power difference between them.

I'm curious ... which fighter did 18 fought and couldn't beat, while 17 beat easily to give you that impression? 17 has definitely proven to be more *resourceful* than 18 (thanks to the bug episode), but we don't have concrete data to prove he's way stronger than 18. Common opponents the twins fought include SSB Goku, Ribrianne and the mecha dude. Both 18 and 17 handled human-fat-sized Ribrianne as a joke, 17 fought SSB Goku on equal terms but 18 was also able to kick away a SSB Goku Kamehameha (so it's hard to see how much stronger 17 is from 18 via Goku). As for the mecha dude, they seemed to do equal damage.

I may be wrong though. If you remember scenes that clearly prove 17 is way stronger than 18, I'd like to remember them as well.

Not entirely true. Frieza might not be able to encounter Dyspo's speed so he might need help.

The fact that Dyspo was too scared to face off a 4th stage Frieza (let alone Golden) gives me the impression he won't prove to be much trouble for the Tyrant. Sure, Dyspo gave Hit a hard time at first, but so did the Yardrat against Gohan, and Frieza utterly crushed the teleporting fighter. We'll know in two weeks.

18 never really fought ssb Goku, it's misleading saying that. she kicked away a blast directed at Krillin while 17 pushed Goku to ssb and fought on par while holding back. 17 always looks like he's just bored or playing along. 18 struggled a lot and used full power already. what about the speed guy from U3 ? 18 couldn't even ecounter him while 17 came out of no where and owned him. it's no brainer that 17 is far ahead of 18 he stated he's been training. 18 has been seen being a housewife and a mom each time she's on screen for over a decade and never stated she liked fighting or kept training.

[Lapislettuce]

When you put it that way, of course it doesn't sound like much. But when you put it my way:

He eliminated Vikal who was BestGirlUniverse2.
He eliminated 2/3 of the Kamikaze Fireballs, who were probably the most notable group of fighters outside of U6, U7, and U11.
He eliminated Damon, which was the elimination that erased Universe 4.

Although honestly, I'd rather he fight Dyspo than Frieza.

I didn't mean to bash Vikale of course she was my favorite design from this arc but everyone 17 faced seemed like fodder and below base Goku level. but i agree i wish he fought Dyspo.

I don't think anything should be taken away from 17, he has proven to be much more powerful then I think most thought he would be even with that display with him fighting SSJB-Goku many nerfed that down, he has proven to be otherwise. So I don't beleive he has reached his climax yet and that will come from someone in U11 like. It seems the U3 battle with be something intense but I don't think it should be his last battle by a mile.

But his battles before where far more important and meaningful then just think of them as fodder. Honestly I don't get why Fodder keeps being used so much, Fodder is used mainly for Nameless Goons like Jame Bond Villian Soilders or Mario Goombas. Fodder is for Characters that have not character or even more even a personal name to them. It is less about power and more about persona.

U4 fans can speak for Damon, I have personal view positive on Damon, but I discussion of him to his more dedicated fans.

Vikal was already spoken for, but Kakunsa and Rozie are Far and Away not even on the same planet comparable to fodder.

Yea 17 has proven to be stronger then them indeed that is without contest, but they were far from pushovers and they where part of the main trio of champions of U2. Kakunsa brought grand speed and X-23/Black Panther like fighting style to the ToP, it complement 17's style of fighting really well and IMO help to cement how cool he would be in this fight. But that would not be possible if Kakunsa did not put up a grand showing of her own, even 17 complemented her fighting style by the end of 102.

Rozie was also the same, Giving Grand showing of lighting fast fighting moves with 17 and great showing of Ki Manipulation and Control.

Someone has to loose, that just is how it will always go, But I was Proud of both My Girls Kakunsa and Rozie for showing how skillful and powerful they where. But most importantly, the starts of their characters, the personias. I wish to see far more of their personas developed in the Future, mainly going along with Development Side-by-Side with 17, 18 and Krillian since it seem Toei has started a bond with them, at least I hope that is what will happen.

So in the end Yea, NOTHING can be taken away form 17 in his Power and Smarts in his fighting skills, but Kakunsa and Rozie where not wasted battles, they where grand showing who they where and certainly I would not see them as fodder.

Again all respects to Lapislettuce and you fav 17, I just want to show why 17's battles with Kakunsa and Rozie should be seen in a different light and why they where not fodder.

I didn't mean to bash characters sorry if i sounded that way as i said Vikale was my favorite design. Kakunsa was also my favorite fighter from U2, Ribrianne was very beautiful as base form wasn't that big of a fan of Rozie but she was skilled as well. i'm just used to argue against 17 lowballers constantly who say 17 only fought "fodder" so that word got stuck in me. what i meant is that we haven't seen him go all out or have someone to really challenge his full power. the power levels are very inconsistent with character getting nerfed and buffed here and there but i know 17 hasn't gone fp yet. the shot from today is the first time i see him this serious and angry.

[Lapislettuce]

Well, he goes with fasion, or he gets stomped on by toppo or jiren. Id rather he gets eliminated by taking out aniraza.

Not entirely true. Frieza might not be able to encounter Dyspo's speed so he might need help. Toppo might interrupt Frieza vs Dyspo which would make it possible for 17 to have a fight with Dyspo or 17 and Gohan team up against Toppo. i don't get how people think it's okay for someone as powerful as 17 to go down with someone much weaker than and barely got as much hype as him. they just want their wet dream to become reality which is having all the saiyans at the end and they know 17 would be an obstacle to that.

If 17 goes down by aniraza, it wont be by someone weak, aniraza is very powerful. And if you think 17 has a chance against toppo, you are mistaken. Dyspo, probably, but anyone above him is too much for 17.

He never went full power yet so we don't know. i also said 17 AND Gohan vs Toppo.

[Nickolaidas]

18 never really fought ssb Goku, it's misleading saying that. she kicked away a blast directed at Krillin while 17 pushed Goku to ssb and fought on par while holding back. 17 always looks like he's just bored or playing along. 18 struggled a lot and used full power already. what about the speed guy from U3 ? 18 couldn't even ecounter him while 17 came out of no where and owned him. it's no brainer that 17 is far ahead of 18 he stated he's been training. 18 has been seen being a housewife and a mom each time she's on screen for over a decade and never stated she liked fighting or kept training.

She kicked a SSB Kamehameha - this is no small feat. That's all I said - I never said she fought him which is why I said we don't have enough to go by. As for the SSB Goku vs 17 fight, it's also inconclusive, since both fighters admitted they were holding back (even though 17 shouts a lot once Goku went Blue, indicating he was indeed being serious, as opposed to plain SSJ Goku whom he indeed just humoured along). In the manga it's even worse to figure it out since 17 only fights Goku at SSJ3.

I think this is what I like about Super the most - the show's being purposefully vague about power levels in order to encourage debates like this one.