Would Ultra Instinct Vegetto Rank Among The Top 5 Fighters In All Universes?

[theherodjl]

If SSJB Vegetto is supposedly on the Hakaishin tier then how far would Ultra Instinct take him? Would he reach the Angel tier and/or possibly become one of the top 5 fighters in all the universes that Whis mentioned awhile back?
Or is Ultra Instinct just a tad bit overrated?

[Jackalope89]

The issue for him, is that SSJ Blue form killed the fusion in about 10 real time minutes. Maybe. Ultra Instinct, I'm thinking that would kill the fusion even faster. But for the brief amount of time he would exist, I imagine he would give even Jiren pause.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Do you count Zeno as a fighter or not?

[dragon boss z]

Maybe if he could retain the fussion.

[Jackalope89]

Do you count Zeno as a fighter or not?

It has been stated that Zeno is NOT a fighter, so...

[Lionel]

A hypothetical Ultra Instinct Vegetto would likely surpass Whis since his generic blue form was already stated, in the manga at least, to be comparable with Beerus. We don't have much information on the powers of the other angels sans Vados. You could probably make an argument for Vegetto successfully fighting Daishinkan, depending on what the disparity is between the lesser angels and the patriarch. Once Daishinkan is out of the picture all you have left are the two sentries of Zeno's. I agree with the others who believe that Zeno isn't a bona fide fighter. Zarama could or may not be stronger than the mentioned names. My presumption about him is that he's, at a minimum, in the top 5 listings referenced above. We won't know anything further until he actually makes an appearance.

[theherodjl]

The issue for him, is that SSJ Blue form killed the fusion in about 10 real time minutes. Maybe. Ultra Instinct, I'm thinking that would kill the fusion even faster. But for the brief amount of time he would exist, I imagine he would give even Jiren pause.

Ultra Instinct isn't like a SSJ transformation though, its something more akin to Gohan's Ultimate state. In any case of Goku & Vegeta's fusion time ending prematurely, it was usually the result of the greatest or most powerful transformation that the fusion could achieve like SSJ4 or SSJB. With Ultra Instinct however, the pressures of maintaining a lineage of power-ups isn't so much a priority.
I would like to imagine that Ultra Instinct Vegetto would at least last longer than SSJB if anything.

[Jackalope89]

The issue for him, is that SSJ Blue form killed the fusion in about 10 real time minutes. Maybe. Ultra Instinct, I'm thinking that would kill the fusion even faster. But for the brief amount of time he would exist, I imagine he would give even Jiren pause.

Ultra Instinct isn't like a SSJ transformation though, its something more akin to Gohan's Ultimate state. In any case of Goku & Vegeta's fusion time ending prematurely, it was usually the result of the greatest or most powerful transformation that the fusion could achieve like SSJ4 or SSJB. With Ultra Instinct however, the pressures of maintaining a lineage of power-ups isn't so much a priority.
I would like to imagine that Ultra Instinct Vegetto would at least last longer than SSJB if anything.

Ultra Instinct also seems to badly drain the energy of the user. So clearly, there is something to it.

[theherodjl]

Ultra Instinct also seems to badly drain the energy of the user. So clearly, there is something to it.

That may just be the case for Goku having forcibly activated the state via the Genki Dama, as well as why he doesn't have full power behind his blows. Its certainly treading on new ground if not prematurely.

[RedShift]

Assuming he doesn't de-fuse instantly?
Assuming the series sticks to its own internal logic instead of ignore it for the sake of spectacle or plot?

Considering his raw power and actual fighting abilities, SSj-SSj3 Vegito would outclass everyone in the ToP except Anilaza, Hit, and probably Dyspo, Toppo, and Jiren.

At SSjG he's firmly out of Dyspo & Toppo's league. He could probably overcome Anilaza's supernova death ball by himself.

At SSjB he'd probably give Jiren a serious battle. Though I think Vegito can't overcome Jiren unless he also started using Kioken in combination with Blue. I'd like to think SSBKKx20 Vegito could overpower Jiren.

At Ultra-Instinct I think Vegito is able to start tangling with the more powerful Angels... But not the Grand Priest himself. For that we clearly need Masked LSSjB4KKx20 Vegito with the dark star Dragonballs absorbed.

[Smilodon]

No way. An angel is much more powerful than that.
Even ultra instinct Vegetto fused with Jiren and Hitto won't be stronger than the angels.
The angels didn't showed almost nothing.... But knock off a hakaishin with one tap?
Even perfect Cell didn't that against kuririn.
The fifference must be astronomic

[theherodjl]

No way. An angel is much more powerful than that.
Even ultra instinct Vegetto fused with Jiren and Hitto won't be stronger than the angels.
The angels didn't showed almost nothing.... But knock off a hakaishin with one tap?
Even perfect Cell didn't that against kuririn.
The fifference must be astronomic

Is your post a little incoherent on purpose or were you just really tired and made typos?

[Jackalope89]

No way. An angel is much more powerful than that.
Even ultra instinct Vegetto fused with Jiren and Hitto won't be stronger than the angels.
The angels didn't showed almost nothing.... But knock off a hakaishin with one tap?
Even perfect Cell didn't that against kuririn.
The fifference must be astronomic

Is your post a little incoherent on purpose or were you just really tired and made typos?

I swear some people insist on being weaboos for the weirdest things.

[theherodjl]

No way. An angel is much more powerful than that.
Even ultra instinct Vegetto fused with Jiren and Hitto won't be stronger than the angels.
The angels didn't showed almost nothing.... But knock off a hakaishin with one tap?
Even perfect Cell didn't that against kuririn.
The fifference must be astronomic

Is your post a little incoherent on purpose or were you just really tired and made typos?

I swear some people insist on being weaboos for the weirdest things.

Its just an honest question. I've seen Smilodon post with excellent grammar before, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he may have simply typed too quickly or spell check might have decided to fail at its job. We're all human though.
Machines, please don't kill me...

[Galan007]

If we take the manga's interpretation of Vegito as the primary canon, and accept 'SSB Vegito ~ Beerus' as fact, his [Vegito's] power would still have to increase many, many times over to even think about KO'ing Beerus with one all out blow -- let alone KO'ing Beerus with just one casual chop, like Whis can... And unless he can do that, a theoretical UI Vegito wouldn't stand a chance in HFIL against most Guide Angels. Moreover, the fact that Whis and Vados do not appear to exert any real effort whatsoever when they chop-KO their Hakaishin, implies that they aren't exerting anywhere near their full power... Which further implies there are vastly greater depths to their power that we've not yet seen(and likely never will.)

That said, I am hard-pressed to imagine a UI Vegito beating some of the more prominent Guide Angels, like Whis or Vados... Never mind the Daishinkan himself, who is FAR more powerful than all of his children.

...Just my 2 cents. /shrug

[theherodjl]

If we take the manga's interpretation of Vegito as the primary canon, and accept 'SSB Vegito ~ Beerus' as fact, his [Vegito's] power would still have to increase many, many times over to even think about KO'ing Beerus with one all out blow -- let alone KO'ing Beerus with just one casual chop, like Whis can... And unless he can do that, a theoretical UI Vegito wouldn't stand a chance in HFIL against most Guide Angels. Moreover, the fact that Whis and Vados do not appear to exert any real effort whatsoever when they chop-KO their Hakaishin, implies that they aren't exerting anywhere near their full power... Which further implies there are vastly greater depths to their power that we've not yet seen(and likely never will.)

That said, I am hard-pressed to imagine a UI Vegito beating some of the more prominent Guide Angels, like Whis or Vados... Never mind the Daishinkan himself, who is FAR more powerful than all of his children.

...Just my 2 cents. /shrug

If the series decides to expand upon the angels being more powerful than they seem then that's a possibility, however since this is not(yet) the case I would imagine Whis is still only 50% more powerful than Beerus thus UI Vegetto definitely has a shot at beating an angel. Though I will admit defeating Daishinkan is another story, the word around the campfire is that he takes the #1 spot out of the 5 greatest fighters in all the universes. Vegetto's limited time in existence may thoroughly prevent him from winning, though he might be content with taking the #2 spot even if it is very brief.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well I'll just give my 2 cents, which is that whenever we think that Goku, Vegeta, or any of the main cast are close to being the strongest around, Toriyama always introduces new characters that are far stronger.

[sintzu]

Vegetto was said to be on or maybe on Beerus' level yet we saw Whis knock him out with one tap so no, I don't think he will.

[theherodjl]

Vegetto was said to be on or maybe on Beerus' level yet we saw Whis knock him out with one tap so no, I don't think he will.

Kami sent Kid Goku back with a flick despite the power difference between them being about 20%, smaller than the difference of Whis & Beerus being 50%. One character doesn't need to be twice as strong to KO another in DB, I'm sure Vegetto would be at least 1.5x stronger with UI if Goku can be 20x stronger with UI.

[Asura]

Would Vegetto even be able to use Ultra Instinct? Think about it. If Vegeta can't do it, how could Vegetto do it? I'd assume you can't master such a technique unless every part of you was able to master it, not just half.