I Perfectly understand and I did not feel you where bashing, but thanks for your concern and I hope I made that clear in my original post but if I did not I am sorry as well.Lapislettuce wrote:I didn't mean to bash characters sorry if i sounded that way as i said Vikale was my favorite design. Kakunsa was also my favorite fighter from U2, Ribrianne was very beautiful as base form wasn't that big of a fan of Rozie but she was skilled as well. i'm just used to argue against 17 lowballers constantly who say 17 only fought "fodder" so that word got stuck in me. what i meant is that we haven't seen him go all out or have someone to really challenge his full power. the power levels are very inconsistent with character getting nerfed and buffed here and there but i know 17 hasn't gone fp yet. the shot from today is the first time i see him this serious and angry.CJStriker_CBR wrote:I don't think anything should be taken away from 17, he has proven to be much more powerful then I think most thought he would be even with that display with him fighting SSJB-Goku many nerfed that down, he has proven to be otherwise. So I don't beleive he has reached his climax yet and that will come from someone in U11 like. It seems the U3 battle with be something intense but I don't think it should be his last battle by a mile.Lapislettuce wrote: I didn't mean to bash Vikale of course she was my favorite design from this arc but everyone 17 faced seemed like fodder and below base Goku level. but i agree i wish he fought Dyspo.
But his battles before where far more important and meaningful then just think of them as fodder. Honestly I don't get why Fodder keeps being used so much, Fodder is used mainly for Nameless Goons like Jame Bond Villian Soilders or Mario Goombas. Fodder is for Characters that have not character or even more even a personal name to them. It is less about power and more about persona.
U4 fans can speak for Damon, I have personal view positive on Damon, but I discussion of him to his more dedicated fans.
Vikal was already spoken for, but Kakunsa and Rozie are Far and Away not even on the same planet comparable to fodder.
Yea 17 has proven to be stronger then them indeed that is without contest, but they were far from pushovers and they where part of the main trio of champions of U2. Kakunsa brought grand speed and X-23/Black Panther like fighting style to the ToP, it complement 17's style of fighting really well and IMO help to cement how cool he would be in this fight. But that would not be possible if Kakunsa did not put up a grand showing of her own, even 17 complemented her fighting style by the end of 102.
Rozie was also the same, Giving Grand showing of lighting fast fighting moves with 17 and great showing of Ki Manipulation and Control.
Someone has to loose, that just is how it will always go, But I was Proud of both My Girls Kakunsa and Rozie for showing how skillful and powerful they where. But most importantly, the starts of their characters, the personias. I wish to see far more of their personas developed in the Future, mainly going along with Development Side-by-Side with 17, 18 and Krillian since it seem Toei has started a bond with them, at least I hope that is what will happen.
So in the end Yea, NOTHING can be taken away form 17 in his Power and Smarts in his fighting skills, but Kakunsa and Rozie where not wasted battles, they where grand showing who they where and certainly I would not see them as fodder.
Again all respects to Lapislettuce and you fav 17, I just want to show why 17's battles with Kakunsa and Rozie should be seen in a different light and why they where not fodder.
I felt your point was about defending 17's honor cause of the constant battles you have here over 17 and have to defend his honor in being powerful when some think he is not and will go soon. I just wanted to put my 2 cents out their not cause I felt you where bashing, you never have on U2 you are cool my friend, just that those battles I wanted to show why I think they where grander then some might think to help you appreciated how I saw 17 in them and for you to gain more appreciation with how he came across in my Eyes, which was Grand! Sometimes a battle does not have to be full power to be awesome and have some great showings, you can have that in battles that are not all out.
It was to show that 17 was cool even in those battles, to maybe find coolness for 17 in those as well.
It was to also remind many that Kakunsa and Rozie maybe not the strongest fights in the ToP, but they where not pushovers either. That point was directed at the theme that has gone around about my U2, not from you but others around the net, about the constant hitting on U2 over their levels and themes, even thought these battles show otherwise.
I am glad you like the Girls Kakunsa, Rozie, Ribrianne and Vikal in your own personal way, means allot to hear when fans like them. I hope Toei is serious about U2 and the Androids having a connection together in the future, I think that would be some great stuff for development for the all of them.
I am just a watcher now, my favorites ToP run is done, so I hope for the best for others.
So My best to you for 17 and the rest of his showing in the ToP Lapislettuce, I hope he achieves what you hope for him, I know how that feels!
