Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

How about we be a bit rationale here and actually wait for the actual episode to air before we pass judgement.

[Legion]

It's just a kick guys, calm down. Remember that Vegeta SSJ2 kicked Beerus.

[Lord Frieza]

How about we be a bit rationale here and actually wait for the actual episode to air before we pass judgement.

What is the "rational" of which you speak oh destroyer?!

[Kenneth La Torre]

How about we be a bit rationale here and actually wait for the actual episode to air before we pass judgement.

You should know by now that people dont wait for the episode, and make irrational assumptions before it comes out.

[Doctor.]

Good thing Freeza seems to be struggling with Dyspo. Would be really stupid if they made him stomp Dyspo just to make him look cool after all the trouble Hit had with him.

[Lord Beerus]

HD (and extended) NEP for Episode 122.

[Lord Frieza]

Got a feeling that Vegeta is able to put up a fight against Jiren because he's using an imperfect version of Ultra Instinct.

[Bullza]

So first with this episode.

Aniraza obviously above Blue level. Considering he's able to push back the co boned force of Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, Gohan and Android 17 then it would seem the best place to put him would be in the Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken range.

Perhaps he's Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken 5-10x level or something.

As for the preview....yeah that's a bit surprising, it looks like Jiren is really serious with his expressions as well and he really put his guard up to defend himself from Vegeta's Final Flash.

He beat Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x20 pretty much straight away so it seems odd they would be able to pressure him like that. Though on the other hand Super Saiyan Blue Goku did put up a reasonable effort and Jiren was concerned when he saw a Kamehameha coming his way so....

[majinwarman]

So first with this episode.

Aniraza obviously above Blue level. Considering he's able to push back the co boned force of Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, Gohan and Android 17 then it would seem the best place to put him would be in the Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken range.

Perhaps he's Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken 5-10x level or something.

As for the preview....yeah that's a bit surprising, it looks like Jiren is really serious with his expressions as well and he really put his guard up to defend himself from Vegeta's Final Flash.

He beat Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x20 pretty much straight away so it seems odd they would be able to pressure him like that. Though on the other hand Super Saiyan Blue Goku did put up a reasonable effort and Jiren was concerned when he saw a Kamehameha coming his way so....

I think Aniraza is around Kaioken Blue level as well. He was way stronger than what people expected from him. As for the preview on the next episode, I think we should wait before we cast judgement on the feats there.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Good thing Freeza seems to be struggling with Dyspo. Would be really stupid if they made him stomp Dyspo just to make him look cool after all the trouble Hit had with him.

Well to be fair, Hit didn't have much trouble in his 2nd round when both were put on an even playing field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C5Sb6VqFNQ

[majinwarman]

Good thing Freeza seems to be struggling with Dyspo. Would be really stupid if they made him stomp Dyspo just to make him look cool after all the trouble Hit had with him.

Well to be fair, Hit didn't have much trouble in his 2nd round when both were put on an even playing field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C5Sb6VqFNQ

I'm sure that Freeza will turn that fight around when he goes Golden on him.

[TheSaiyanGod]

There is a clear difference between the way Jiren defends Goku's punches and the way Jiren defends Vegeta's punches

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Jiren shows much more difficulty with Vegeta's blows.

This may be a rage boost or an UP on his SSB power, we do not know

[Noah]

SSJB Vegeta is cleary stronger than KKx20 + SSJB Goku, I don't see the issue with it.

[precita]

If Vegeta can fight Jiren, then surely Gohan can too.

Now if the final two are Goku/Gohan, it would make sense for Gohan to win.

[Doctor.]

There is a clear difference between the way Jiren defends Goku's punches and the way Jiren defends Vegeta's punches

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Jiren shows much more difficulty with Vegeta's blows.

This may be a rage boost or an UP on his SSB power, we do not know

To be fair, Goku doesn't seem to have much difficulty deflecting Jiren's blows either.

[Noah]

Now if the final two are Goku/Gohan, it would make sense for Gohan to win.

Sure if it the Gohan who got tired of his father's horrible fight against and his anger made him tap into Angel Ki.

[Triggered Vegeta]

So Manga No. 17 Is SS3 level while Anime No. 17 Is SSG + level...

[The_Destroyer]

Vegeta didn't seem to have much of a problem dealing with Toppo, though.

But who says Toppo was going all out when fightibg Vegeta?

By the same metric, we can also assume Vegeta wasn't going all out.

Yeah but I wasn't using that fight to judge their strengths. I was using Goku's comment from the exhibition.

[Bullza]

What's strange with Vegeta is that we all just assume that he and Goku are equal.

But in the Future Trunks saga, SSJR Black beat the tar out of SSJB Goku who then went off and learned the mafuba. Meanwhile Vegeta trained in the Rosat and came out and put a stomping on SSJR Black.

So for a brief period we were all saying that Vegeta was much stronger than Goku.

Then in no time at all and for reasons we either just ignored or couldn't explain we just went back to saying that they were equal but really Vegeta should have been a lot stronger at least then he was, I dunno about now.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Ssb Goku and vegeta are equals. Not sure how anyone is claiming otherwise, but there isn't any material even remotely hinting at vegeta being >>>>Ssb Goku.

Especially not when Goku and Frieza are stated to be tied for the strongest in U7 by Toei, which means that vegeta isn't stronger than either.

Vegeta could surpass his limits next episode since that's what the preview seems to hint at, but any claims of the preview "proving" that vegeta was massively stronger than Goku the entire time despite Toei stating otherwise aren't worth addressing.