Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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batistabus
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by batistabus » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:12 pm
I think Zamasu, and the Future Trunks arc of Super in general, are excellent examples of stupid ideas executed brilliantly. If you told me that there was going to be an arc of Dragon Ball featuring evil Goku, and evil Kaioshin, Future Trunks coming back, and Mai being an important character again, I'd call it the worst of fanficiton. I would not have been more wrong. In my view, nobody besides Toriyama would have been able to pull all of that off. Tons of great character moments, appropriate throwbacks that didn't feel cheap, and a way to raise the stakes while not letting things get unbelievably weird (in the manga at least).
Here's a standout manga moment for me:
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by Cetra » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:14 pm
By all means, it was not Akira Toriyama who made Zamasu as good as he was. Credit to whom it belongs to. He already deserves it for design and base idea.
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by Timetraveller » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:03 pm
I think he's a promising character let down by terrible story telling and pacing. Zamasu is your stereotypical god turned evil, a classic trope done (better) many times before in other mediums. No one can really sympathize with his motivation since so little of it was shown and he slowly devolves into a cliche'd DBZ villain. His final form (wallpaper Zamasu) was just ridiculously stupid.
I'd rate him below villains like Baby, Frieza and Cell but above Garlic jr and kid Buu. Middle of the pack
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by MKCSTEALTH » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:37 pm
I think the one thing that would have made Zamasu for me would be a show of conflict in his decisions. Instead what we got seemed fairly generic "Mortals are disgusting and are a blight to the gods"
I will say his immortality added an interesting factor to the mix. But he was definitely overshadowed by Black.
As for fused Zamasu, I like is Manga incarnation personality wise and concept wise (the idea he's now a full kaioshin) but I liked the powers he had in the anime better (Blades of Judgement is still one of my favs)
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by Asura » Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:36 pm
WittyUsername wrote:I’d put him on the same level as Baby. He’s a decent enough villain, but he could’ve been so much more interesting if they really went through the effort of actually making him a morally grey antagonist, as opposed to your typical megalomaniac.
I would say Baby is better if not just for the fact that his abilities were much cooler. Like what he does to completely take over the Earth and even resurrect his own planet for them to live on, mind controlled forever, is cooler than Zamasu just saying fuck it burn it all down.
Black is still cooler and more interesting than both of them though. Should have somehow written Black as being the sole villain of the arc IMO.