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I laughed when you said Pinocchio because it's true now that you mentioned.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Not a fan of those last two Vegeta's tbh. Face looks squished and the bottom one looks like he's Pinocchio.Lord Beerus wrote:Some more to wet your appetite:
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What exactly are you comparing it to though? This is better than the majority of DBS and a ton of DBZ. So I can't see where you're coming from.Draconic wrote:I love Takahashi. The preview looks underwhelming. The episode itself will probably be great. You don't have to roll your eyes at every single crticisim someone throws at the guy. Either try to have a conversation or piss off. I gave my reasons why I think some of the stuff isn't great. If you don't have anything more to say than "different opinions amirite" just don't say anything.
Is that SSJB Goku on his EoZ gi? Could be that a foreshadowing? Great!FortuneSSJ wrote:Speaking of Takahashi, he has been sharing some drawings:
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People are rolling their eyes because it's like you're putting the Mona Lisa up next to your kid's fridge macaroni drawing and looking at the Mona Lisa and saying "that looks horrendous". Obviously I'm exaggerating here and Takahashi's work is nowhere near the level of the Mona Lisa, nor is Super's art so bad it rivals macaroni drawings (nor is it bad at all actually), but I should think the comparison still makes sense in terms of just how much more detailed and elaborate Takahashi's art is.Draconic wrote:I love Takahashi. The preview looks underwhelming. The episode itself will probably be great. You don't have to roll your eyes at every single crticisim someone throws at the guy. Either try to have a conversation or piss off. I gave my reasons why I think some of the stuff isn't great. If you don't have anything more to say than "different opinions amirite" just don't say anything.
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[/spoiler]The shading on him still doesn't look good. Those drawings are just more detailed, but that doesn't make them better. To me it doesn't feel natural at all, unlike, you know, Takahashi's Gohan, or Vegeta, or Goku... or his Jiren from episode 110. I think the drawings are too cluttered.Asura wrote:People are rolling their eyes because it's like you're putting the Mona Lisa up next to your kid's fridge macaroni drawing and looking at the Mona Lisa and saying "that looks horrendous". Obviously I'm exaggerating here and Takahashi's work is nowhere near the level of the Mona Lisa, nor is Super's art so bad it rivals macaroni drawings (nor is it bad at all actually), but I should think the comparison still makes sense in terms of just how much more detailed and elaborate Takahashi's art is.Draconic wrote:I love Takahashi. The preview looks underwhelming. The episode itself will probably be great. You don't have to roll your eyes at every single crticisim someone throws at the guy. Either try to have a conversation or piss off. I gave my reasons why I think some of the stuff isn't great. If you don't have anything more to say than "different opinions amirite" just don't say anything.
Here's what Jiren usually looks like in every episode, this comes from 121. It's not bad, it's just how he's commonly drawn in the Super art style. Compare that to Takahashi's Jiren in 122...
Jiren from 121
And you can see why calling Takahashi's Jiren "horrendous" makes peoples eyes roll out of their heads.
That was my thought in the beginning, but it's most likely Goku with the blue shirt he usually uses underneath his orange gi. His current state in ToP.Noah wrote:Is that SSJB Goku on his EoZ gi?FortuneSSJ wrote:Speaking of Takahashi, he has been sharing some drawings:
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I think you're suffering from an extreme case of nostalgia blindness. Z didn't look like this. The DBZ MOVIES KIND OF looked like this. A vast majority of DBZ episodes were not of this quality and Takahashi would be considered good even by Z standards.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I think absolutely amazing is a bit of an over statement it only seems that way cuz of the current awful CDs, next to Z these wouldn't be heralded to an amazing standard they'd just considered normal.Asura wrote:Takahashi definitely has a unique style of drawing the face looking a bit squished because of the extremely angular eyes. Even with this fault though, it still looks absolutely amazing.Baggie_Saiyan wrote: Not a fan of those last two Vegeta's tbh. Face looks squished and the bottom one looks like he's Pinocchio.
I'm one for a proper nose definition but it looks absurd here on Vegeta especially on that first pic.
Art only can take you so far I wanna see proper good animation from him that he's capable of. I'd rather have 30secs of great animation rather than 10 mins of so so animation with good art. Plus he's a freelance so he's not guaranteed to stick around if he never comes back and doesn't give us amazing cuts then his involvement will feel like total waste, he's totally being wasted as a supervisor especially since he isn't doing full eps and now that he might even share Part B.
Edit- Okay so apparently he's produced quite a number of cuts for the episodes, feeling a bit better about it. Still not under the crazy hype everyone has fallen under.
The only episodes in the Z anime that I recall looking like anything to what Takahashi is producing for Super were the episodes managed by Studio Cockpit.Artorias wrote:I think you're suffering from an extreme case of nostalgia blindness. Z didn't look like this. The DBZ MOVIES KIND OF looked like this. A vast majority of DBZ episodes were not of this quality and Takahashi would be considered good even by Z standards.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I think absolutely amazing is a bit of an over statement it only seems that way cuz of the current awful CDs, next to Z these wouldn't be heralded to an amazing standard they'd just considered normal.Asura wrote:
Takahashi definitely has a unique style of drawing the face looking a bit squished because of the extremely angular eyes. Even with this fault though, it still looks absolutely amazing.
I'm one for a proper nose definition but it looks absurd here on Vegeta especially on that first pic.
Art only can take you so far I wanna see proper good animation from him that he's capable of. I'd rather have 30secs of great animation rather than 10 mins of so so animation with good art. Plus he's a freelance so he's not guaranteed to stick around if he never comes back and doesn't give us amazing cuts then his involvement will feel like total waste, he's totally being wasted as a supervisor especially since he isn't doing full eps and now that he might even share Part B.
Edit- Okay so apparently he's produced quite a number of cuts for the episodes, feeling a bit better about it. Still not under the crazy hype everyone has fallen under.
It's most likely planned ahead of time due to him having 8 weeks to animate an episode. So, I think he was coming back and they just hide that fact until when the episode was coming out soon. Then, they told everyone through Jump magazine.Asura wrote:Is it possible that Takahashi was given 122 (an extremely important fight, U7 vs U11) because of his performance on 114? Or would those type of things be decided beforehand? If this is the case would the chance of Takahashi reappearing be higher if 122 also makes people explode with excitement?
Yes, Takahashi did episode 114, which in your words is "the episode with Goku vs the 2 saiyans girls."Pannaliciour wrote:Did Takahashi draw the episode with Goku vs the 2 saiyans girls? The art was very good but the fighting (animation) wasn't that good if I remember correctly. His episode with Goku vs Jiren was way better (fighting wise.)
Btw do you guys think Takahashi will do the final battle of this arc? Other then Takahashi who else is great? Who did the episode 116 (ui Goku vs Kefla)? In my opionion that was the best animated episode of super!
- Yuya Takahashi supervised episode 114, yes. He did animate here-and-there, and his cuts were fine animation-wise.Pannaliciour wrote:Did Takahashi draw the episode with Goku vs the 2 saiyans girls? The art was very good but the fighting (animation) wasn't that good if I remember correctly. His episode with Goku vs Jiren was way better (fighting wise.)
Btw do you guys think Takahashi will do the final battle of this arc? Other then Takahashi who else is great? Who did the episode 116 (ui Goku vs Kefla)? In my opionion that was the best animated episode of super!
Thx for the info!superfan2024 wrote:Yes, Takahashi did episode 114, which in your words is "the episode with Goku vs the 2 saiyans girls."Pannaliciour wrote:Did Takahashi draw the episode with Goku vs the 2 saiyans girls? The art was very good but the fighting (animation) wasn't that good if I remember correctly. His episode with Goku vs Jiren was way better (fighting wise.)
Btw do you guys think Takahashi will do the final battle of this arc? Other then Takahashi who else is great? Who did the episode 116 (ui Goku vs Kefla)? In my opionion that was the best animated episode of super!
Ever since episode 110, Takahashi has been in the tournament more frequently, (episode 114, 115, and now the upcoming 122), and it seems as if he's getting a lot of praise for his work, and it also seems like he is enjoying his work on the show and Dragon Ball in general (see his twitter/fanart). But yes, there is a possibility that he may come during the episode of the final battle. I am not entirely sure if he may supervise the final battle's episode, but I know that there is a huge possibility of him key animating in the battle (as he did in 110).
And the juicy moments in episode 116 (which I hope is your main source for liking the episode's animation so much) were done by Futoshi Higashide a spectacular animator on Super, and Ken Otsuka, another spectacular animator who is more of a "guest animator" on Super who has appeared quite a number of times in the series. Otsuka has also appeared in episode 101 for example.
Here are the "juicy moments" from episode 116 that I hope you may recognize: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/41542
Higashide did up to 0:45, while Otsuka was from 0:46 till the end of the scene.
I hope these answer your questions.
Those are some great predictions for next seven episodes.Psykomatik wrote:- Yuya Takahashi supervised episode 114, yes. He did animate here-and-there, and his cuts were fine animation-wise.Pannaliciour wrote:Did Takahashi draw the episode with Goku vs the 2 saiyans girls? The art was very good but the fighting (animation) wasn't that good if I remember correctly. His episode with Goku vs Jiren was way better (fighting wise.)
Btw do you guys think Takahashi will do the final battle of this arc? Other then Takahashi who else is great? Who did the episode 116 (ui Goku vs Kefla)? In my opionion that was the best animated episode of super!
Others are mere corrections, that's why it's not "outstanding" animation-wise.
- Yoichi Onishi & Shuichiro Manabe supervised episode 116.
- If you want some predictions, here's mine:
Episode 122: Yuya Takahashi & Koji Nashizawa
Episode 123: Osamu Ishikawa & Hirotaka Nii
Episode 124: Yoshitaka Yashima
Episode 125: Hiroyuki Itai & Shuichiro Manabe
Episode 126: Naoki Tate & Toei Phils
Episode 127: Yoichi Onishi & Tsutomu Ono
Episode 128: Chihiro Tanaka & Yasuhiro Namatame
Episode 129: Yuji Hakamada & Masahiro Shimanuki
Episode 130: Yuya Takahashi & Yuichi Karasawa
That would be fantastic to me, with Tate at the start of the climax but it probably won't be the case lol
So you think Nii being listed on 122 was a mistake?Psykomatik wrote:- Yuya Takahashi supervised episode 114, yes. He did animate here-and-there, and his cuts were fine animation-wise.Pannaliciour wrote:Did Takahashi draw the episode with Goku vs the 2 saiyans girls? The art was very good but the fighting (animation) wasn't that good if I remember correctly. His episode with Goku vs Jiren was way better (fighting wise.)
Btw do you guys think Takahashi will do the final battle of this arc? Other then Takahashi who else is great? Who did the episode 116 (ui Goku vs Kefla)? In my opionion that was the best animated episode of super!
Others are mere corrections, that's why it's not "outstanding" animation-wise.
- Yoichi Onishi & Shuichiro Manabe supervised episode 116.
- If you want some predictions, here's mine:
Episode 122: Yuya Takahashi & Koji Nashizawa
Episode 123: Osamu Ishikawa & Hirotaka Nii
Episode 124: Yoshitaka Yashima
Episode 125: Hiroyuki Itai & Shuichiro Manabe
Episode 126: Naoki Tate & Toei Phils
Episode 127: Yoichi Onishi & Tsutomu Ono
Episode 128: Chihiro Tanaka & Yasuhiro Namatame
Episode 129: Yuji Hakamada & Masahiro Shimanuki
Episode 130: Yuya Takahashi & Yuichi Karasawa
That would be fantastic to me, with Tate at the start of the climax but it probably won't be the case lol
