Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheDipDap1234]

Here's my ranking of the top 20 fighters in the TOP. I want to hear your guys' opinion on Magetta because I feel like a lot of people underestimate him.

1. Jiren- obvious
2. Goku- obvious
3. Kefla- Aniraza was strong, but I don't think that he was stronger than SSBKK x 20 Genkidama Goku like Kefla is.
4. Aniraza- was overpowering a combo attack from 5 SSB level characters
5. Hit- Confirmed to be above SSB Goku level. He dominated Dyspo, who was giving SSG/SSB Goku trouble, and he did better than SSBKKx20 Goku did against Jiren. Also, Goku said that Hit got stronger, and Goku hasn't trained since the last time they fought, so Hit is without a doubt above SSB Goku since he was = to him in their last fight.
6. Vegeta- Might be higher based on the NEP, but I'm waiting until episode 122 comes out before I move Vegeta up. If he does well against Jiren only because of a rage boost, then he will probably not move up.
7. Toppo- These next few are arguable and pretty interchangeable until they get more feats.
8. Freeza
9. Gohan
10 or 11. Android 17/Dyspo
12. Koichiarator
13 or 14. Saonel/Pirina- Each one individually could probably hold off Ulimate Gohan for a while, but individually they are still weaker than him by a fair amount
15. Maji Kayo- Restrained SSJ Goku and restrained Dyspo momentarily. You can argue that he ranges anywhere from SSJ Goku level to SSG Goku level since he doesn't have a whole lot of showings, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and put him on the higher end of this spectrum.
16. Obuni- Forced Gohan to use his Ultimate form, and he could trade a few blows with Ultimate Gohan. There's probably a good chance that Gohan was holding back, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
17. Kale- In her controlled Berserk form, she was stronger than SSJ2 Goku and should be somewhere around SSJ3 Goku
18. Bergamo- In his giant form, which he didn't use in the TOP for some reason, his Wolfgang Penetrator could push back a big Kamehameha from SSBKK Goku, which forced Goku to put more power into it, but Bergamo's speed is garbage since he couldn't hit SSJ Goku, so his god tier power level and his trash speed put him around SSJ2/SSJ3 level imo.
19. Magetta- Magetta's durability is insane. SSJ Vegeta couldn't put a dent in him in both of their fights, and he easily blocked a Big Bang Attack from SSJ Vegeta like it was nothing. His lava attacks would be pretty dangerous if they land, and his punches are capable of knocking back SSJ Vegeta. and Magetta's speed seems to have improved since the previous tournament since he was able to parry SSJ Vegeta's hits. Magetta is imo around SSJ2/SSJ3 Goku/Vegeta level since his durability would force them to use AT LEAST SSJ2 to damage him, but I'd argue that SSJ3 might be required to do meaningful damage. People tend to sleep on him for some reason and idk why.
20. Caulfila- In her current SSJ2 form, she's not too far off from SSJ2 Goku, as shown in 113 and 114.


Honorable mentions: Cabba, Monna, and Piccolo.

Good list, nothing that I really disagree with. I would put 18 as a honorable mention though seeing as how easily she defeated Ribrianne's strongest form with an injured ankle.

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Monna (transformed) vs Piccolo vs Magetta

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Monna (transformed) vs Piccolo vs Magetta

Magetta should win. Monna and Piccolo really have no way of damaging Magetta since they certainly don't have greater firepower than SSJ Vegeta, so they have no chance of winning when they're not in a tournament setting. Magetta's durability probably requires SSJ3 level attacks or finishing moves (Kamehameha, Final Flash, etc) from SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta to damage him, so Magetta could win by just wearing Monna and Piccolo out if he wanted to. Besides, I'd imagine that he would be capable of landing punches on them since he could parry some of SSJ Vegeta's punches, and his lava attacks would be pretty lethal if they landed considering that Super has already shown that being strong doesn't necessarily make you resistant to heat and lava.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

Here's my ranking of the top 20 fighters in the TOP. I want to hear your guys' opinion on Magetta because I feel like a lot of people underestimate him.

1. Jiren- obvious
2. Goku- obvious
3. Kefla- Aniraza was strong, but I don't think that he was stronger than SSBKK x 20 Genkidama Goku like Kefla is.
4. Aniraza- was overpowering a combo attack from 5 SSB level characters
5. Hit- Confirmed to be above SSB Goku level. He dominated Dyspo, who was giving SSG/SSB Goku trouble, and he did better than SSBKKx20 Goku did against Jiren. Also, Goku said that Hit got stronger, and Goku hasn't trained since the last time they fought, so Hit is without a doubt above SSB Goku since he was = to him in their last fight.
6. Vegeta- Might be higher based on the NEP, but I'm waiting until episode 122 comes out before I move Vegeta up. If he does well against Jiren only because of a rage boost, then he will probably not move up.
7. Toppo- These next few are arguable and pretty interchangeable until they get more feats.
8. Freeza
9. Gohan
10 or 11. Android 17/Dyspo
12. Koichiarator
13 or 14. Saonel/Pirina- Each one individually could probably hold off Ulimate Gohan for a while, but individually they are still weaker than him by a fair amount
15. Maji Kayo- Restrained SSJ Goku and restrained Dyspo momentarily. You can argue that he ranges anywhere from SSJ Goku level to SSG Goku level since he doesn't have a whole lot of showings, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and put him on the higher end of this spectrum.
16. Obuni- Forced Gohan to use his Ultimate form, and he could trade a few blows with Ultimate Gohan. There's probably a good chance that Gohan was holding back, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
17. Kale- In her controlled Berserk form, she was stronger than SSJ2 Goku and should be somewhere around SSJ3 Goku
18. Bergamo- In his giant form, which he didn't use in the TOP for some reason, his Wolfgang Penetrator could push back a big Kamehameha from SSBKK Goku, which forced Goku to put more power into it, but Bergamo's speed is garbage since he couldn't hit SSJ Goku, so his god tier power level and his trash speed put him around SSJ2/SSJ3 level imo.
19. Magetta- Magetta's durability is insane. SSJ Vegeta couldn't put a dent in him in both of their fights, and he easily blocked a Big Bang Attack from SSJ Vegeta like it was nothing. His lava attacks would be pretty dangerous if they land, and his punches are capable of knocking back SSJ Vegeta. and Magetta's speed seems to have improved since the previous tournament since he was able to parry SSJ Vegeta's hits. Magetta is imo around SSJ2/SSJ3 Goku/Vegeta level since his durability would force them to use AT LEAST SSJ2 to damage him, but I'd argue that SSJ3 might be required to do meaningful damage. People tend to sleep on him for some reason and idk why.
20. Caulfila- In her current SSJ2 form, she's not too far off from SSJ2 Goku, as shown in 113 and 114.


Honorable mentions: Cabba, Monna, and Piccolo.

Good list, nothing that I really disagree with. I would put 18 as a honorable mention though seeing as how easily she defeated Ribrianne's strongest form with an injured ankle.

Base Ribrianne is really weak since she's below Base Goku, and her only feats in her giant form are from her battle with 18, so we can't really use Giant Ribrianne to scale 18. I don't think that 18 is on the same level as SSJ Goku/Vegeta since she almost got blitzed by Katopesla in his 300x speed form, but Base Vegeta brushed off Katopesla's attacks in his 300x strength form.

[Bullza]

It should go like this

Giant Ribrianne > Super Ribrianne > Base Goku > Ribrianne

How Android 18 fits in to that....well you'd think she would be above Giant Ribrianne but in doing so she'd be far above Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks then.

[TheDipDap1234]

Here's my ranking of the top 20 fighters in the TOP. I want to hear your guys' opinion on Magetta because I feel like a lot of people underestimate him.

1. Jiren- obvious
2. Goku- obvious
3. Kefla- Aniraza was strong, but I don't think that he was stronger than SSBKK x 20 Genkidama Goku like Kefla is.
4. Aniraza- was overpowering a combo attack from 5 SSB level characters
5. Hit- Confirmed to be above SSB Goku level. He dominated Dyspo, who was giving SSG/SSB Goku trouble, and he did better than SSBKKx20 Goku did against Jiren. Also, Goku said that Hit got stronger, and Goku hasn't trained since the last time they fought, so Hit is without a doubt above SSB Goku since he was = to him in their last fight.
6. Vegeta- Might be higher based on the NEP, but I'm waiting until episode 122 comes out before I move Vegeta up. If he does well against Jiren only because of a rage boost, then he will probably not move up.
7. Toppo- These next few are arguable and pretty interchangeable until they get more feats.
8. Freeza
9. Gohan
10 or 11. Android 17/Dyspo
12. Koichiarator
13 or 14. Saonel/Pirina- Each one individually could probably hold off Ulimate Gohan for a while, but individually they are still weaker than him by a fair amount
15. Maji Kayo- Restrained SSJ Goku and restrained Dyspo momentarily. You can argue that he ranges anywhere from SSJ Goku level to SSG Goku level since he doesn't have a whole lot of showings, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and put him on the higher end of this spectrum.
16. Obuni- Forced Gohan to use his Ultimate form, and he could trade a few blows with Ultimate Gohan. There's probably a good chance that Gohan was holding back, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
17. Kale- In her controlled Berserk form, she was stronger than SSJ2 Goku and should be somewhere around SSJ3 Goku
18. Bergamo- In his giant form, which he didn't use in the TOP for some reason, his Wolfgang Penetrator could push back a big Kamehameha from SSBKK Goku, which forced Goku to put more power into it, but Bergamo's speed is garbage since he couldn't hit SSJ Goku, so his god tier power level and his trash speed put him around SSJ2/SSJ3 level imo.
19. Magetta- Magetta's durability is insane. SSJ Vegeta couldn't put a dent in him in both of their fights, and he easily blocked a Big Bang Attack from SSJ Vegeta like it was nothing. His lava attacks would be pretty dangerous if they land, and his punches are capable of knocking back SSJ Vegeta. and Magetta's speed seems to have improved since the previous tournament since he was able to parry SSJ Vegeta's hits. Magetta is imo around SSJ2/SSJ3 Goku/Vegeta level since his durability would force them to use AT LEAST SSJ2 to damage him, but I'd argue that SSJ3 might be required to do meaningful damage. People tend to sleep on him for some reason and idk why.
20. Caulfila- In her current SSJ2 form, she's not too far off from SSJ2 Goku, as shown in 113 and 114.


Honorable mentions: Cabba, Monna, and Piccolo.

Good list, nothing that I really disagree with. I would put 18 as a honorable mention though seeing as how easily she defeated Ribrianne's strongest form with an injured ankle.

Base Ribrianne is really weak since she's below Base Goku, and her only feats in her giant form are from her battle with 18, so we can't really use Giant Ribrianne to scale 18. I don't think that 18 is on the same level as SSJ Goku/Vegeta since she almost got blitzed by Katopesla in his 300x speed form, but Base Vegeta brushed off Katopesla's attacks in his 300x strength form.

Super Ribrianne put Goku on the defense and later on made him transform. Super Ribrianne was made out of the love of Helles plus the other 2 kamikazi fireballs, while Giant Ribrianne was made out of the love of the same people I mentioned, plus the other eliminated people from her team and the kaioshin, so logically Giant Ribrianne should be above her Super form, and her Super form is stronger than base Goku. This automatically puts 18 around SSJ level. I think 18 got a powerup that she could only use just then. Notice how when she broke out of Brianne's love amour was the first time we ever saw aura around 18.

[The_Destroyer]

Here's my ranking of the top 20 fighters in the TO. I'm basing this on overall strength and not just power levels since I don't see the point in looking at only power levels and ignoring techniques. I want to hear your guys' opinion on Magetta because I feel like a lot of people underestimate him.

1. Jiren- obvious
2. Goku- obvious
3. Kefla- Aniraza was strong, but I don't think that he was stronger than SSBKK x 20 Genkidama Goku like Kefla is.
4. Aniraza- was overpowering a combo attack from 5 SSB level characters
5. Hit- Confirmed to be above SSB Goku level. He dominated Dyspo, who was giving SSG/SSB Goku trouble, and he did better than SSBKKx20 Goku did against Jiren. Also, Goku said that Hit got stronger, and Goku hasn't trained since the last time they fought, so Hit is without a doubt above SSB Goku since he was = to him in their last fight.
6. Vegeta- Might be higher based on the NEP, but I'm waiting until episode 122 comes out before I move Vegeta up. If he does well against Jiren only because of a rage boost, then he will probably not move up.
7. Toppo- These next few are arguable and pretty interchangeable until they get more feats.
8. Freeza
9. Gohan
10 or 11. Android 17/Dyspo
12. Koichiarator
13 or 14. Saonel/Pirina- Each one individually could probably hold off Ulimate Gohan for a while, but individually they are still weaker than him by a fair amount
15. Maji Kayo- Restrained SSJ Goku and restrained Dyspo momentarily. You can argue that he ranges anywhere from SSJ Goku level to SSG Goku level since he doesn't have a whole lot of showings, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and put him on the higher end of this spectrum.
16. Obuni- Forced Gohan to use his Ultimate form, and he could trade a few blows with Ultimate Gohan. There's probably a good chance that Gohan was holding back, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
17. Kale- In her controlled Berserk form, she was stronger than SSJ2 Goku and should be somewhere around SSJ3 Goku
18. Bergamo- In his giant form, which he didn't use in the TOP for some reason, his Wolfgang Penetrator could push back a big Kamehameha from SSBKK Goku, which forced Goku to put more power into it, but Bergamo's speed is garbage since he couldn't hit SSJ Goku, so his god tier power level and his trash speed put him around SSJ2/SSJ3 level imo.
19. Magetta- Magetta's durability is insane. SSJ Vegeta couldn't put a dent in him in both of their fights, and he easily blocked a Big Bang Attack from SSJ Vegeta like it was nothing. His lava attacks would be pretty dangerous if they land, and his punches are capable of knocking back SSJ Vegeta. and Magetta's speed seems to have improved since the previous tournament since he was able to parry SSJ Vegeta's hits. Magetta is imo around SSJ2/SSJ3 Goku/Vegeta level since his durability would force them to use AT LEAST SSJ2 to damage him, but I'd argue that SSJ3 might be required to do meaningful damage. People tend to sleep on him for some reason and idk why.
20. Caulfila- In her current SSJ2 form, she's not too far off from SSJ2 Goku, as shown in 113 and 114.


Honorable mentions: Cabba, Monna, and Piccolo.


Also, here's a tier list of all the fighters. Keep in mind that the order they're listed in for each tier doesn't reflect their strength.

[spoiler]S Tier
[spoiler]Jiren
UI Goku
SSJ2 Kefla (noticeably weaker than the other 2)[/spoiler]A Tier
[spoiler]Hit
SSBKKx20 Goku
SSJ Kefla
Aniraza
maybe Vegeta based on the NEP[/spoiler]
B Tier
[spoiler]SSB Vegeta
SSB Goku
Golden Freeza
Toppo
Ultimate Gohan
Android 17
Dyspo
Koichiarator[/spoiler]
C Tier
[spoiler]SSG Goku
Maji Kayo
Saonel
Pirina[/spoiler]
D Tier
[spoiler]SSJ3 Goku
Obuni
Bergamo
Magetta
SSJ Berserk Kale[/spoiler]
E Tier
[spoiler]SSJ2 Goku
SSJ2 Vegeta
SSJ2 Gohan[/spoiler]
F Tier
[spoiler]SSJ Goku
SSJ Vegeta
SSJ Gohan
SSJ2 Caulifla
SSJ2 Cabba
Piccolo
Monna
Jimeze
Final Form Freeza
Full Power Frost
Katopesla
Biarra
Android 18
Kunshi[/spoiler]
Base Tier
[spoiler]Ribrianne
Kakunsa
Rozie
Zirloin
Rabanra
Zarbuto
Hermila
Kahseral
Tupper
Zoiray
Kettol
Cocotte
Krillin
Majora
Shosa
Damon
Gamisaras
Nink
Koitsukai
Lavender
Basil
Rubalt
Napapa
Panchia
Bollarator
Paparoni
Narirama
Botamo
Ganos
Tien
Roshi[/spoiler]
Trash Tier
[spoiler]Prum
Vikal
Nigrisshi
The Preecho
Dr. Rota
Vuon
Shantza (weakest in the TOP)
Caway (2nd weakest in the TOP)
Darkori
Chappil
Comfrey
Hop
Hyssop
Oregano
Sorrel
Roselle
Murichim
Methiop
Murisam
Lilibeu
Jium
Jilcol
Jirasen[/spoiler]
[/spoiler]

Probably one of the best lists yet. Good job. Although I'm in the camp of Aniraza > Kefla, but that's mainly due to dimesnional warping attacks rather than power.

Murichim could be Base Tier, considering his best feat is ramming into Toppo. Much better than what his teammates have shown for sure.

[TheSaiyanGod]

5. Hit- Confirmed to be above SSB Goku level. He dominated Dyspo, who was giving SSG/SSB Goku trouble, and he did better than SSBKKx20 Goku did against Jiren. Also, Goku said that Hit got stronger, and Goku hasn't trained since the last time they fought, so Hit is without a doubt above SSB Goku since he was = to him in their last fight.

Goku on SSB never had any problems against Dyspo. We only saw him use that form once in the fight and she clearly was able to surprise the U11 warrior.

Dyspo also said he was not able to beat Freeza, then Golden Freeza> Dyspo, consequently Goku SSB> Dyspo.
He at most is stronger than SSG Goku.

So Hitto was having problems with someone weaker than SSB Goku. It has become stronger does not change that since we do not know the proportion of that increase (not to mention that it usually adapts to the opponent and does not get stronger in terms of strength).
He has fought better than SSB KK x20 Goku also does not do above that level. It was a set of strategies and distractions. In the melee he did worse than SSB Goku.
Jiren did not know Vegeta or Frieza when he said that the only threats had been eliminated

[pacz360]

So many indicators that support 17 being SSB-tier. Oh and to those who kept going on and on and on and on about 17 looking to be on par with Base Goku, this all completely disapproved that.

17 fighting alongside SSB's and Golden Frieza. So beautiful.

Funny isn't it 17 is blue level yet they still want to deny it
Cognitive dissonance is a serious thing in this fanbase

[Hakaishin Liquir]

5. Hit- Confirmed to be above SSB Goku level. He dominated Dyspo, who was giving SSG/SSB Goku trouble, and he did better than SSBKKx20 Goku did against Jiren. Also, Goku said that Hit got stronger, and Goku hasn't trained since the last time they fought, so Hit is without a doubt above SSB Goku since he was = to him in their last fight.

Goku on SSB never had any problems against Dyspo. We only saw him use that form once in the fight and she clearly was able to surprise the U11 warrior.

Dyspo also said he was not able to beat Freeza, then Golden Freeza> Dyspo, consequently Goku SSB> Dyspo.
He at most is stronger than SSG Goku.

So Hitto was having problems with someone weaker than SSB Goku. It has become stronger does not change that since we do not know the proportion of that increase (not to mention that it usually adapts to the opponent and does not get stronger in terms of strength).
He has fought better than SSB KK x20 Goku also does not do above that level. It was a set of strategies and distractions. In the melee he did worse than SSB Goku.
Jiren did not know Vegeta or Frieza when he said that the only threats had been eliminated

Goku was switching between SSG and SSB, like he did in the manga. In Goku's and Dyspo's fight, Goku never landed a single hit on Dyspo on-screen besides when he ambushed him in order to help Hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax51agR_gDA

Look at this clip from 2:00 to 2:09. We see SSG/SSB Goku and Dyspo generating a few sonic booms, and then we see Goku getting launched back quite a bit by Dyspo while Dyspo has a smirk on his face. This means at the very least that Dyspo is above SSG Goku since Goku already knew about Dyspo's technique, so you can't say that Goku was losing because he was caught by surprise by Dyspo's light bullet technique. Now keep in mind that Goku was switching between SSG and SSB, so Dyspo should actually be much higher than SSG Goku.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C5Sb6VqFNQ

Now look at this clip. In this clip, Hit is dominating Dyspo and giving him the Vegeta 2.0 treatment (quite literally with the reused animation). Hit performed much better than SSG/SSB Goku, and Hit only had trouble with Dyspo at the beginning of 104 because he had no knowledge of Dyspo's secret technique while Dyspo already knew about Hit's Time-Skip (from Godtube probably), which means that Hit was at a major unfair disadvantage in their first fight. Using round 1 of Hit vs Dyspo to gauge Hit's strength is like using Hit vs Vegeta to gauge Vegeta's strength. Also, keep in mind that Goku hadn't trained at all since the Hit mini-arc, as shown by his encounter with those bandits. If Hit was equal to SSB Goku in that mini-arc and if Hit got stronger since then, then he should logically be stronger than current SSB Goku since Goku's strength hasn't changed. Also, whether Hit got stronger physically or through his techniques is completely irrelevant since both would increase his viability as a fighter.

Dyspo's comment about Final Form Freeza doesn't mean much anymore since Dyspo seems to be dominating Final Form Freeza in the NEP, and I doubt that the writers plan on having Golden Freeza fodderize Dyspo since there's only 3 enemies left.

Hit is strong BECAUSE of his strategies and techniques. What's the point of ignoring them if they clearly contribute to Hit's strength? If Hit can win fights against characters that are more physically strong than him by using his techniques, then why ignore his techniques when judging his viability as a fighter?

Vegeta and Freeza went Blue and Golden before Jiren made that statement, so he should know how strong they are when he said that unless he can't sense ki, which would be kind of ridiculous. And if he couldn't sense ki, idk why he would even say that if he was no way of knowing the other fighters' power.

[TheSaiyanGod]

5. Hit- Confirmed to be above SSB Goku level. He dominated Dyspo, who was giving SSG/SSB Goku trouble, and he did better than SSBKKx20 Goku did against Jiren. Also, Goku said that Hit got stronger, and Goku hasn't trained since the last time they fought, so Hit is without a doubt above SSB Goku since he was = to him in their last fight.

Goku on SSB never had any problems against Dyspo. We only saw him use that form once in the fight and she clearly was able to surprise the U11 warrior.

Dyspo also said he was not able to beat Freeza, then Golden Freeza> Dyspo, consequently Goku SSB> Dyspo.
He at most is stronger than SSG Goku.

So Hitto was having problems with someone weaker than SSB Goku. It has become stronger does not change that since we do not know the proportion of that increase (not to mention that it usually adapts to the opponent and does not get stronger in terms of strength).
He has fought better than SSB KK x20 Goku also does not do above that level. It was a set of strategies and distractions. In the melee he did worse than SSB Goku.
Jiren did not know Vegeta or Frieza when he said that the only threats had been eliminated

Goku was switching between SSG and SSB, like he did in the manga. In Goku's and Dyspo's fight, Goku never landed a single hit on Dyspo on-screen besides when he ambushed him in order to help Hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax51agR_gDA

Look at this clip from 2:00 to 2:09. We see SSG/SSB Goku and Dyspo generating a few sonic booms, and then we see Goku getting launched back quite a bit by Dyspo while Dyspo has a smirk on his face. This means at the very least that Dyspo is above SSG Goku since Goku already knew about Dyspo's technique, so you can't say that Goku was losing because he was caught by surprise by Dyspo's light bullet technique. Now keep in mind that Goku was switching between SSG and SSB, so Dyspo should actually be much higher than SSG Goku.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C5Sb6VqFNQ

Now look at this clip. In this clip, Hit is dominating Dyspo and giving him the Vegeta 2.0 treatment (quite literally with the reused animation). Hit performed much better than SSG/SSB Goku, and Hit only had trouble with Dyspo at the beginning of 104 because he had no knowledge of Dyspo's secret technique while Dyspo already knew about Hit's Time-Skip (from Godtube probably), which means that Hit was at a major unfair disadvantage in their first fight. Using round 1 of Hit vs Dyspo to gauge Hit's strength is like using Hit vs Vegeta to gauge Vegeta's strength. Also, keep in mind that Goku hadn't trained at all since the Hit mini-arc, as shown by his encounter with those bandits. If Hit was equal to SSB Goku in that mini-arc and if Hit got stronger since then, then he should logically be stronger than current SSB Goku since Goku's strength hasn't changed. Also, whether Hit got stronger physically or through his techniques is completely irrelevant since both would increase his viability as a fighter.

Dyspo's comment about Final Form Freeza doesn't mean much anymore since Dyspo seems to be dominating Final Form Freeza in the NEP, and I doubt that the writers plan on having Golden Freeza fodderize Dyspo since there's only 3 enemies left.

Hit is strong BECAUSE of his strategies and techniques. What's the point of ignoring them if they clearly contribute to Hit's strength? If Hit can win fights against characters that are more physically strong than him by using his techniques, then why ignore his techniques when judging his viability as a fighter?

Vegeta and Freeza went Blue and Golden before Jiren made that statement, so he should know how strong they are when he said that unless he can't sense ki, which would be kind of ridiculous. And if he couldn't sense ki, idk why he would even say that if he was no way of knowing the other fighters' power.

Goku and Dyspo had little screen time fighting, you can not say Dyspo> SSB just because Goku was supposed to be switching between God and Blue when we were not seeing.
We only saw him do it once, and even though Goku SSG had been pressed by Dyspo, he did not have any significant damage, Goku seemed to be fully capable of attacking.

In the second half of the fight, Dyspo was also only disadvantaged because Hitto countered his strategy. This is not to say that Hitto was inferior, but rather that Dyspo relied heavily on just one way to stop Time Skip. That's not to say that he could not have done the same Goku in the Champa tournament if he discovered the secret of the technique.
Incidentally, we saw that while Hitto was unable to use Time skip, he was at a distinct disadvantage, showing that in terms of power Dyspo> Hitto.

Hitto in the mini bow was inferior to SSB Goku.
After all, SSB Goku was able to level with him, even with him using his killing techniques (beyond intangibility).

Vegeta and Freeza did not show all the power even if it transformed, so there was no way Jiren knew how strong they were.
Even he only noticed Hitto because of the fight against his teammate, otherwise he would not even care

[Freeza9000]

Only one question about the list: Why is Chappil not Base tier but instead in the trash tier range? Base Goku didn't seem strong enough to budge him until he resorted to Super Saiyan. Otherwise, a rather fair ranking on the hierarchies of power.

[ZombieVito]

Giant Ribrianne > Super Ribrianne > Base Goku > Ribrianne

Impossible.

Ribrianne being one shotted by 18 confirmed she is weak as hell. I wouldn't even put Giant Ribrianne over Super Perfect Cell.

[TheDipDap1234]

Giant Ribrianne > Super Ribrianne > Base Goku > Ribrianne

Impossible.

Ribrianne being one shotted by 18 confirmed she is weak as hell. I wouldn't even put Giant Ribrianne over Super Perfect Cell.

That would make no sense. Base Ribrianne blocked attacks from base Vegeta and Goku, her Super form made Goku transform into blue in order to defeat her, and her Giant form is stronger than her Super form. Base Vegeta easily one shotted SSJ3 Gotenks in the Potaufeu arc, and he just got stronger since then. 18 simply just got stronger.

[Bullza]

Giant Ribrianne > Super Ribrianne > Base Goku > Ribrianne

Impossible.

Ribrianne being one shotted by 18 confirmed she is weak as hell. I wouldn't even put Giant Ribrianne over Super Perfect Cell.

Super Ribrianne had Base Goku on the run. Goku even said after she transformed that she had amazing power and that he had to use more power (in Base form). Then he dodged her attack and transformed to hit her.

I'd say Android 18 just powered up actually. I don't think she's meant too weak. Super Perfect Cell isn't really anything at this point, Basil was probably stronger than he was.

[ZombieVito]

Giant Ribrianne > Super Ribrianne > Base Goku > Ribrianne

Impossible.

Ribrianne being one shotted by 18 confirmed she is weak as hell. I wouldn't even put Giant Ribrianne over Super Perfect Cell.

Super Ribrianne had Base Goku on the run. Goku even said after she transformed that she had amazing power and that he had to use more power (in Base form). Then he dodged her attack and transformed to hit her.

I'd say Android 18 just powered up actually. I don't think she's meant too weak. Super Perfect Cell isn't really anything at this point, Basil was probably stronger than he was.

That just means Goku wasn't going all out or that Ribrianne was heavily drained.

I refuse to have 18 over Boo, Gotenks or Piccolo.

[PushoverMediaCritic]

Monna (transformed) vs Piccolo vs Magetta

Magetta should win. Monna and Piccolo really have no way of damaging Magetta since they certainly don't have greater firepower than SSJ Vegeta, so they have no chance of winning when they're not in a tournament setting. Magetta's durability probably requires SSJ3 level attacks or finishing moves (Kamehameha, Final Flash, etc) from SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta to damage him, so Magetta could win by just wearing Monna and Piccolo out if he wanted to. Besides, I'd imagine that he would be capable of landing punches on them since he could parry some of SSJ Vegeta's punches, and his lava attacks would be pretty lethal if they landed considering that Super has already shown that being strong doesn't necessarily make you resistant to heat and lava.

I dunno, Piccolo's fully charged Makankosappo punched through both Saonel and Pirina, who are both between SSG and SSB in power. Monna's also pretty rude, so she might be able to make Magetta give up by being a jerk to him.

[The_Destroyer]

Only one question about the list: Why is Chappil not Base tier but instead in the trash tier range? Base Goku didn't seem strong enough to budge him until he resorted to Super Saiyan. Otherwise, a rather fair ranking on the hierarchies of power.

Yeah forgot to mention that too. His skin of iron needed SSJ to break.

[CriticalThinker]

I sometimes browse this thread and seeing people argue over Ribrianne as well as 18 is funny to me. Ribrianne's strength was all over the place as she went from fighting fairly even with SS Vegeta in her first bout against Vegeta to getting beaten by his base the next time they fought. I mean I dunno maybe that's part of her character as she was a gag character. I don't read the manga but I've heard it's better with power scaling so I'd say it's better to wait to see how the manga handles her and other TOP characters. Also with 18 it's hard to tell how strong she's gotten since before Ribrianne she fought the rabbit from U9 off screen, fought the two fodder troopers briefly and both seemed to be weak outside of their ability, tag teamed the robot from U3 with 17. So over all what I mean is, focusing on how strong 18 and Ribrianne is pretty pointless as of right now.

[Sora Saiyan]

I don't read the manga but I've heard it's better with power scaling so I'd say it's better to wait to see how the manga handles her and other TOP characters.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I do. The manga usually makes a lot more sense, and it’s kept the almost insurmountable gap that was introduced back when SSJG first appeared, I mean, SSJ3 is shown to be total shit compared to God in the manga, even now.
#17 being around SSJ3 sits a lot better with me too, mainly when it comes to lore, and how special SSJG is. I’m genuinely curious which non god character is gonna be the first to surpass SSJG, out of our cast, and in the ToP (ignoring Jiren), and where the other characters of the ToP will place against our characters other forms.

But, even though the scale is much, much better in the manga, the anime is super fun at times, and watching a bunch of Vegeta haters losing their shit next episode will be funny. The animation puts the rule of cool on the next episode, so I will turn my logic off for that one, something I’ve gotten used to with watching super anyway.