Ssb kk20 Goku

[immakillya]

So does anyone think that maybe when goku adds kk on top of ssb, it's not actually multiplying his ssb power by 10 or 20, but it's just multiplying his base?
Like ssb kk x 20 Goku = 20 times goku's base, plus ssb.

It would definitely explain the power scaling a little better

[GodVegetto91]

Absolutely not. Kaioken is a multiplier. Period. No need to make things more complicated than they are. Whatever happened to Occam’s Razor guys??

[ToshioWrites]

So does anyone think that maybe when goku adds kk on top of ssb, it's not actually multiplying his ssb power by 10 or 20, but it's just multiplying his base?
Like ssb kk x 20 Goku = 20 times goku's base, plus ssb.

It would definitely explain the power scaling a little better

That's how it's supposed to work but it doesn't feel that way when he uses kaioken like when he used x10 vs hit or x20 vs Jiren. I don't think writers actually write it like a multiplier and rather that it just makes him stronger than just ssb

[immakillya]

So does anyone think that maybe when goku adds kk on top of ssb, it's not actually multiplying his ssb power by 10 or 20, but it's just multiplying his base?
Like ssb kk x 20 Goku = 20 times goku's base, plus ssb.

It would definitely explain the power scaling a little better

That's how it's supposed to work but it doesn't feel that way when he uses kaioken like when he used x10 vs hit or x20 vs Jiren. I don't think writers actually write it like a multiplier and rather that it just makes him stronger than just ssb

Yeah, when watching the show It always seems more like a slight power boost, rather than his power being multiplied 10 or 20 fold

[Code]

It doesn't matter. As long as SSB is a multiplier (and this makes sense, as SSJ is proven to be a multiplier), the order is irrelevant.

(Base * KK) * SSB
is the same as
(Base * SSB) * KK

[immakillya]

It doesn't matter. As long as SSB is a multiplier (and this makes sense, as SSJ is proven to be a multiplier), the order is irrelevant.

(Base * KK) * SSB
is the same as
(Base * SSB) * KK

What I was trying to say, was maybe ssb kk was working like
Base * KK + base * ssb
Because no way is goku gaining 10 or 20 times the power of ssb. Beers would freak out much more if that was the case

[MisteryOne]

Goku is indeed gaining x10 and x20, Hit himself said that so the writers know it. You guys are just trying to justify again the bad power scaling, but it's stated in the anime itself so there is no other way.

[immakillya]

Goku is indeed gaining x10 and x20, Hit himself said that so the writers know it. You guys are just trying to justify again the bad power scaling, but it's stated in the anime itself so there is no other way.

I need to rewatch the universe 6 tournament arc. I don't remember hit explicitly stating that gokus power multiplied by 10.

[MisteryOne]

Goku is indeed gaining x10 and x20, Hit himself said that so the writers know it. You guys are just trying to justify again the bad power scaling, but it's stated in the anime itself so there is no other way.

I need to rewatch the universe 6 tournament arc. I don't remember hit explicitly stating that gokus power multiplied by 10.

He did indeed, just before Goku screams "x10!" Hit says how his power is multypling by 2,3, etc.

Again, just an example of the bad powerscaling in the anime, but to be fair, we still don't know what Vegeta is going to do to fight Jiren.

[immakillya]

Goku is indeed gaining x10 and x20, Hit himself said that so the writers know it. You guys are just trying to justify again the bad power scaling, but it's stated in the anime itself so there is no other way.

I need to rewatch the universe 6 tournament arc. I don't remember hit explicitly stating that gokus power multiplied by 10.

He did indeed, just before Goku screams "x10!" Hit says how his power is multypling by 2,3, etc.

Again, just an example of the bad powerscaling in the anime, but to be fair, we still don't know what Vegeta is going to do to fight Jiren.

Yeah, I'm starting to remember that line now....
Dragon ball has been bad at power scaling for awhile now. I still really enjoy the show though.

[MisteryOne]

I need to rewatch the universe 6 tournament arc. I don't remember hit explicitly stating that gokus power multiplied by 10.

He did indeed, just before Goku screams "x10!" Hit says how his power is multypling by 2,3, etc.

Again, just an example of the bad powerscaling in the anime, but to be fair, we still don't know what Vegeta is going to do to fight Jiren.

Yeah, I'm starting to remember that line now....
Dragon ball has been bad at power scaling for awhile now. I still really enjoy the show though.

Not Dragonball in general actually, just the anime since the Champa arc I would say. The manga is fine apart from a couple of moments like Vegeta vs SS1 Black

[TysonWine]

I was just thinking the Kaioken multiplier feels less like x20 and more like +20.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

I was just thinking the Kaioken multiplier feels less like x20 and more like +20.

+ 20 what?

[TysonWine]

I was just thinking the Kaioken multiplier feels less like x20 and more like +20.

+ 20 what?

I don't know. I'm not being literal, I'm just saying that based on performance it appears Goku isn't actually multiplying his strength to the whatever degree is stated. Kaioken is being treated as such that when they say X20 it's more like a rather small increment increase, as compared to really being multiplied by 20. Just doubling your strength at the levels they fight at is a very big deal, and in a 100% logic and consistent based story, a Kaioken x3 would be performing better than how Super has X20 perform, IMO.